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the article makes reference to 'liquid' / 'aerosol' and 'a gathering of a few molecules', but a water dimer is only two molecules, so at what number of molecules can I consider a cluster of water molecules to be within the particulate definition ? Teeteetee 14:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
How about someone add methods of removing particulates? Like electrostatic precipitation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelgwn ( talk • contribs)
Generally, the removal processes need some work: we need at least to distinguish diffusion, impaction, interception, sedimentation, turbulent transport, in-cloud scavenging and sub-cloud scavenging. Oderbolz ( talk) 09:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to see the link to the GreenFacts summary removed, as Greenfacts is a questionable organisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.3.212 ( talk • contribs)
I have mergd the information from the aerosol page to here. It could do with some more tidying but it is a start. I'll work on sorting the links from aerosol which should be to this page next.-- NHSavage 22:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Apart form natural vs. man made the difference between primary and secondary particles is important. Oderbolz ( talk) 09:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
We need a measurement section, including sampling techniques (impactors, precipitators, cyclones) and measurement techniques (gravimetry, nephelometry, beta attenuation, TEOM, AMS, passive sampling, remote sensing) Oderbolz ( talk) 10:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
What seems to me to need doing on this now is:
NHSavage 16:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
With regards to radiative forcing, it would be worth mentioning that the radiation that aerosols reflect is in the visible range, as opposed to the radiation associated with greenhouse gases, in the infra-red. Aerosols reduce the amount of radiation reaching the earths surface, but this is not a good thing as it is that radiation that plants need to photosynthesise, and we need to see.
Someone just edited out Sulphate to Sulfate - however both spellings are correct by IUPAC rules, and the spelling distinction is explained here. To avoid swapping the two spelling versions on a near-constant basis, I suggest to just leave it as is. -- Carboxen 04:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I direct the Center for Atmospheric Particle Studies (CAPS) at Carnegie Mellon [1]. We are interested in contributing to this and related pages. However, I don't want to just dive in before initiating a discussion. The essential details are present on this page -- I would make several minor tweaks but mostly add content on linked pages.
An intial comment is pedantic. There is something of a consensus in the community for using 'particulate' as an adjective only (this is the first definition in any event) and 'particle' as the noun. `Aerosol' is a bit ambiguous, but a suspension of particles and vapors in equilibrium seems to have won out (meaning that 'aerosol' can be taken to mean both the particles and vapors together), though often only the suspended particles are meant (for example `secondary organic aerosol'). I therefore suggest that the title of this page be changed to 'atmospheric particles' or 'aerosol'.
I could imagine getting several colleagues to contribute pages -- for example Jose Jiminez (Colorado) and Hugh Coe (U Manchester) on aerosol mass spectrometry, myself on secondary organic aerosol, Peter Adams (CMU) on aerosol and climate, Yinon Rudich (Weizmann Institute) on heterogeneous chemistry, etc.
ps -- I don't care at all about sulfate vs sulphate. Neilmd 14:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ordinary meteorological water clouds and water ice clouds would seem to meet the definitions of "smokes" and "aerosols" at the top of the page, but the article omits them from any mention, even to explain their absence.
This isn't a joke. I came here to figure out if regular clouds are "aerosols" or not. 67.168.216.176 15:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I have exactly the same question. -- Catherine
The following I think is a joke. Someone may have tried to corrupt the information on this page by adding this comment which can only be described as ridiculous:
"thus, during episodes of poor air quality, a noticeable weight gain can be observed within the population causing major health concerns."
Billtubbs 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What is the meaning of the subject header "Arpan"? -- Beland 16:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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It would be interesting to show a world map of atmospheric particulate concentration in the "affected areas" section. -- Beland 16:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Would it be worth also discussing particulates arising in enclosed spaces such as homes, offices and factories? E.g., does smoking contribute? A recent article suggests that certain laser printers can distribute particles. [2]. Horatio 09:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The value 200,000 deaths needs a reference which seems to be correct . The following source indicates 95k-382k premature deaths per year. http://www.umweltdaten.de/uid/manual/healthrisk.pdf p10.
p31 has a nice diagram that could be shown on the side of this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontw ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Indoor sources, among others: Pet Dander 0.5-100 microns. Dust Mite Debris 0.5-50 microns. Household Dust 0.5-100 microns. Skin Flakes 0.4-10 microns. Courtesy of Duke State U (Healthy Air - Healthy Homes) PhDHK1 ( talk) 16:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
the title of the page should be changed to 'Particulate Matter'. The opening sentance would read 'Particulate Matter refers to airborne liquid or solid particles, sometimes incorrectly reffered to as 'particulates'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.96.176.66 ( talk) 15:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not a native English speaker, but you are up against several book titles and e.g. this search [3] in the Britannica dictionary... -- Claus Hindsgaul 17:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I posted on the other article as well. It shouldn't be a big deal, but here's to doing things by the wiki. I think replacing the other article with a redirect is all that is needed as this one already has the term in bold. Oh and carrying over the reference/category info as well. - Onceler 09:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I second that. -- Claus Hindsgaul 06:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Merge completed. - Onceler 10:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Section 2.4.5.6, page 180 of the latest IPCC report (AR4) states:
Which seems to be in opposition to the view expressed in the TAR, as quoted in this section.
This section links to the TAR and contains the old error ranges. The latest report states (p. 160):
Confusingly, the section entitled 'Black Carbon' states: "BC from fossil fuels is estimated by the IPCC in the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC, TAR, ". Is that a joke or something? The quoted figures, however, are certainly not from the latest report. Table 2.12 on page 204 states very clearly that the direct RF due to fossil fuel BC is +0.20 +/- 0.15, while the indirect RF caused by the surface albedo due to BC aerosol on snow is +0.10 +/-0.10.
I have no idea why the next paragraph is not listed under its own heading of 'Albedo effects', but it surely doesn't belong in such confusingly close proximity to the paragraph on BC.
All quotes and figures are from:
Elusiveneutrino ( talk) 03:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus/unclear where to redirect Particulate if moved. JPG-GR ( talk) 03:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Particulate → Airborne particulate matter — The title is ambiguous, my proposal will better differentiate against other forms of particulate pollution — Jack · talk · 17:53, Saturday, 5 April 2008
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.This article needs rewrite and re-organization to focus on health effects of carbon burning byproducts, versus e.g., sea spray, and on the fine- and ultra-fine carbon particles, versus others.
By far the most salient feature of fine particulates are the fine and ultra-fine particles produced by carbon combustion -- coal and diesel -- and the current efforts to protect human populations from their devastating health effects,
Lumping all fine particles together, this article obscures the salient health effects so much as to make them scarcely intelligible.
Fine particles from asbestos cause cancer, but few circulate. The most damaging particles circulating in populated areas are carbon-containing fine particles from coal generation and diesel combustion, agricultural burning, other human activity, and forest fires. Silicone-containing fine particles from dust storms are less significant as health threats. These cannot be lumped with fine particles from sea spray without loss of clarity. Sea spray has no recognized deleterious health effects -- the fact that there is a lot of sea spray is a footnote, not a lead.
The EPA has gradually recognized the health effects of fine particles, especially the damaging human-generated fraction, and the ability to further greatly reduce harm through effective regulatory action,
The above quote from the EPA would be a better lead-in than the lead-burying current first paragraph of this article. The sub-sections should be re-organized according to the substance the fine particles are composed of, with carbon combustion pollution at the top, and the interesting sea-spray trivia at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.205.33 ( talk) 15:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This section is completely wrong. The PMx standards are not defined as <= x µm. According to the EPA-standards (PM10: FR Vol. 52 No. 128, p. 24733 - PM2.5: FR Vol. 62 No. 138, p. 38826) these are defined by a reference sampler (impactor or cyclone) with a defined separation efficiency and the number specifies the aerodymanic diameter at which the sampler (roughly) has a 50 % efficiency. Each device used for PMx-sampling has to show agreement with the reference sampler within an error margin of (iirc) 5 % - so there are no "large error margins". I can try to fix this, however the help of a native speaker was welcome. -- JogyB ( talk) 23:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi JogyB, You are totally right. I encourage you to edit this into the article. If grammatical corrections are needed, they tend to be added relatively quickly after your edit. So please give it a try.
-- Claus Hindsgaul ( talk) 08:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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Eftim SE; Samet JM; Janes H; McDermott A; Dominici F. (2008). Fine particulate matter and mortality: a comparison of the six cities and American Cancer Society cohorts with a medicare cohort. Epidemiology 19: 209-216. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.121 ( talk) 02:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
WHO Air quality guidelines (AQG) Annual mean level
PM10 (μg/m3) 20 PM2.5 (μg/m3) 10
Basis for the selected level
These are the lowest levels at which total, cardiopulmonary and lung cancer mortality have been shown to increase with more than 95% confidence in response to PM2.5 in the ACS study (Pope et al., 2002). The use of PM2.5 guideline is preferred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdncntx ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 13:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Particulate → Particulates — Although in general WP prefers singular to plural for titles, in this case the noun appears only to be used in the plural, as shown in the lead of the article. WP:SINGULAR says "Exceptions include nouns that are always in a plural form in English (e.g. scissors or trousers)", and while "Particulates" may not be quite in that class it's near. The singular form is confusable with the identical adjective, which again makes the plural preferable. PamD ( talk) 10:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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the article makes reference to 'liquid' / 'aerosol' and 'a gathering of a few molecules', but a water dimer is only two molecules, so at what number of molecules can I consider a cluster of water molecules to be within the particulate definition ? Teeteetee 14:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
How about someone add methods of removing particulates? Like electrostatic precipitation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelgwn ( talk • contribs)
Generally, the removal processes need some work: we need at least to distinguish diffusion, impaction, interception, sedimentation, turbulent transport, in-cloud scavenging and sub-cloud scavenging. Oderbolz ( talk) 09:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to see the link to the GreenFacts summary removed, as Greenfacts is a questionable organisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.3.212 ( talk • contribs)
I have mergd the information from the aerosol page to here. It could do with some more tidying but it is a start. I'll work on sorting the links from aerosol which should be to this page next.-- NHSavage 22:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Apart form natural vs. man made the difference between primary and secondary particles is important. Oderbolz ( talk) 09:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
We need a measurement section, including sampling techniques (impactors, precipitators, cyclones) and measurement techniques (gravimetry, nephelometry, beta attenuation, TEOM, AMS, passive sampling, remote sensing) Oderbolz ( talk) 10:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
What seems to me to need doing on this now is:
NHSavage 16:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
With regards to radiative forcing, it would be worth mentioning that the radiation that aerosols reflect is in the visible range, as opposed to the radiation associated with greenhouse gases, in the infra-red. Aerosols reduce the amount of radiation reaching the earths surface, but this is not a good thing as it is that radiation that plants need to photosynthesise, and we need to see.
Someone just edited out Sulphate to Sulfate - however both spellings are correct by IUPAC rules, and the spelling distinction is explained here. To avoid swapping the two spelling versions on a near-constant basis, I suggest to just leave it as is. -- Carboxen 04:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I direct the Center for Atmospheric Particle Studies (CAPS) at Carnegie Mellon [1]. We are interested in contributing to this and related pages. However, I don't want to just dive in before initiating a discussion. The essential details are present on this page -- I would make several minor tweaks but mostly add content on linked pages.
An intial comment is pedantic. There is something of a consensus in the community for using 'particulate' as an adjective only (this is the first definition in any event) and 'particle' as the noun. `Aerosol' is a bit ambiguous, but a suspension of particles and vapors in equilibrium seems to have won out (meaning that 'aerosol' can be taken to mean both the particles and vapors together), though often only the suspended particles are meant (for example `secondary organic aerosol'). I therefore suggest that the title of this page be changed to 'atmospheric particles' or 'aerosol'.
I could imagine getting several colleagues to contribute pages -- for example Jose Jiminez (Colorado) and Hugh Coe (U Manchester) on aerosol mass spectrometry, myself on secondary organic aerosol, Peter Adams (CMU) on aerosol and climate, Yinon Rudich (Weizmann Institute) on heterogeneous chemistry, etc.
ps -- I don't care at all about sulfate vs sulphate. Neilmd 14:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ordinary meteorological water clouds and water ice clouds would seem to meet the definitions of "smokes" and "aerosols" at the top of the page, but the article omits them from any mention, even to explain their absence.
This isn't a joke. I came here to figure out if regular clouds are "aerosols" or not. 67.168.216.176 15:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I have exactly the same question. -- Catherine
The following I think is a joke. Someone may have tried to corrupt the information on this page by adding this comment which can only be described as ridiculous:
"thus, during episodes of poor air quality, a noticeable weight gain can be observed within the population causing major health concerns."
Billtubbs 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What is the meaning of the subject header "Arpan"? -- Beland 16:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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It would be interesting to show a world map of atmospheric particulate concentration in the "affected areas" section. -- Beland 16:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Would it be worth also discussing particulates arising in enclosed spaces such as homes, offices and factories? E.g., does smoking contribute? A recent article suggests that certain laser printers can distribute particles. [2]. Horatio 09:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The value 200,000 deaths needs a reference which seems to be correct . The following source indicates 95k-382k premature deaths per year. http://www.umweltdaten.de/uid/manual/healthrisk.pdf p10.
p31 has a nice diagram that could be shown on the side of this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontw ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Indoor sources, among others: Pet Dander 0.5-100 microns. Dust Mite Debris 0.5-50 microns. Household Dust 0.5-100 microns. Skin Flakes 0.4-10 microns. Courtesy of Duke State U (Healthy Air - Healthy Homes) PhDHK1 ( talk) 16:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
the title of the page should be changed to 'Particulate Matter'. The opening sentance would read 'Particulate Matter refers to airborne liquid or solid particles, sometimes incorrectly reffered to as 'particulates'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.96.176.66 ( talk) 15:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not a native English speaker, but you are up against several book titles and e.g. this search [3] in the Britannica dictionary... -- Claus Hindsgaul 17:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I posted on the other article as well. It shouldn't be a big deal, but here's to doing things by the wiki. I think replacing the other article with a redirect is all that is needed as this one already has the term in bold. Oh and carrying over the reference/category info as well. - Onceler 09:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I second that. -- Claus Hindsgaul 06:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Merge completed. - Onceler 10:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Section 2.4.5.6, page 180 of the latest IPCC report (AR4) states:
Which seems to be in opposition to the view expressed in the TAR, as quoted in this section.
This section links to the TAR and contains the old error ranges. The latest report states (p. 160):
Confusingly, the section entitled 'Black Carbon' states: "BC from fossil fuels is estimated by the IPCC in the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC, TAR, ". Is that a joke or something? The quoted figures, however, are certainly not from the latest report. Table 2.12 on page 204 states very clearly that the direct RF due to fossil fuel BC is +0.20 +/- 0.15, while the indirect RF caused by the surface albedo due to BC aerosol on snow is +0.10 +/-0.10.
I have no idea why the next paragraph is not listed under its own heading of 'Albedo effects', but it surely doesn't belong in such confusingly close proximity to the paragraph on BC.
All quotes and figures are from:
Elusiveneutrino ( talk) 03:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus/unclear where to redirect Particulate if moved. JPG-GR ( talk) 03:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Particulate → Airborne particulate matter — The title is ambiguous, my proposal will better differentiate against other forms of particulate pollution — Jack · talk · 17:53, Saturday, 5 April 2008
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.This article needs rewrite and re-organization to focus on health effects of carbon burning byproducts, versus e.g., sea spray, and on the fine- and ultra-fine carbon particles, versus others.
By far the most salient feature of fine particulates are the fine and ultra-fine particles produced by carbon combustion -- coal and diesel -- and the current efforts to protect human populations from their devastating health effects,
Lumping all fine particles together, this article obscures the salient health effects so much as to make them scarcely intelligible.
Fine particles from asbestos cause cancer, but few circulate. The most damaging particles circulating in populated areas are carbon-containing fine particles from coal generation and diesel combustion, agricultural burning, other human activity, and forest fires. Silicone-containing fine particles from dust storms are less significant as health threats. These cannot be lumped with fine particles from sea spray without loss of clarity. Sea spray has no recognized deleterious health effects -- the fact that there is a lot of sea spray is a footnote, not a lead.
The EPA has gradually recognized the health effects of fine particles, especially the damaging human-generated fraction, and the ability to further greatly reduce harm through effective regulatory action,
The above quote from the EPA would be a better lead-in than the lead-burying current first paragraph of this article. The sub-sections should be re-organized according to the substance the fine particles are composed of, with carbon combustion pollution at the top, and the interesting sea-spray trivia at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.205.33 ( talk) 15:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This section is completely wrong. The PMx standards are not defined as <= x µm. According to the EPA-standards (PM10: FR Vol. 52 No. 128, p. 24733 - PM2.5: FR Vol. 62 No. 138, p. 38826) these are defined by a reference sampler (impactor or cyclone) with a defined separation efficiency and the number specifies the aerodymanic diameter at which the sampler (roughly) has a 50 % efficiency. Each device used for PMx-sampling has to show agreement with the reference sampler within an error margin of (iirc) 5 % - so there are no "large error margins". I can try to fix this, however the help of a native speaker was welcome. -- JogyB ( talk) 23:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi JogyB, You are totally right. I encourage you to edit this into the article. If grammatical corrections are needed, they tend to be added relatively quickly after your edit. So please give it a try.
-- Claus Hindsgaul ( talk) 08:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Bell ML; Ebisu K; Peng RD; Walker J; Samet JM; Zeger SL; Dominic F. (2008). Seasonal and regional short-term effects of fine particles on hospital admissions in 202 U.S. counties, 1999-2005. Am J Epidemiol 168(11): 1301-1310.
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WHO Air quality guidelines (AQG) Annual mean level
PM10 (μg/m3) 20 PM2.5 (μg/m3) 10
Basis for the selected level
These are the lowest levels at which total, cardiopulmonary and lung cancer mortality have been shown to increase with more than 95% confidence in response to PM2.5 in the ACS study (Pope et al., 2002). The use of PM2.5 guideline is preferred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdncntx ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 13:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Particulate → Particulates — Although in general WP prefers singular to plural for titles, in this case the noun appears only to be used in the plural, as shown in the lead of the article. WP:SINGULAR says "Exceptions include nouns that are always in a plural form in English (e.g. scissors or trousers)", and while "Particulates" may not be quite in that class it's near. The singular form is confusable with the identical adjective, which again makes the plural preferable. PamD ( talk) 10:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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