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It may be interesting to compare how the structure would be if we compared with the new york city page, which I'm sort of taking as a model. Here's what our article would look like if we copied the NYC structure.
History * 1 History of New York City Districts * 2 Boroughs and neighborhoods Administration * 3 New York City government Geography * 4 Geography and climate Demographics * 5 Demographics Economy * 6 Economy ??Doesn't exist?? * 7 Culture of New Yorkers o 7.1 Immigration and international flavor o 7.2 Commuter culture o 7.3 Current issues ??Doesn't exist?? (a bit in CC&O) * 8 Tourism and recreation Cultural centres and organisations * 9 Cultural institutions ?? * 10 Media and entertainment Subsumed in cultural centres and organisations * 11 Theater Sports clubs (tiny) * 12 Professional sports Transport (quite short) * 13 Transportation o 13.1 Mass transit o 13.2 Airports o 13.3 Taxis o 13.4 Ferries ?? * 14 Education and scientific research o 14.1 Colleges and universities o 14.2 Schools o 14.3 See also Landmarks? * 15 Skyline ?? * 16 Trivia
The critical points: We really should have a strong "Districts" section right up the top. We have nothing on the culture of Parisians, and nothing on Education. While sport is not as important to Paris as it is to NYC (the Yankees, the Mets, the Nets and the Nicks are all big teams), it deserves more than a one liner. We also lack a media section.
To repeat the exercise for fun with Hong Kong (another suggested model):
History * 1 History Administration (sort of) * 2 Politics and government None - but probably not relevant for just a city * 3 Legal system and judiciary Geography * 4 Geography Administration * 5 Administrative divisions Economy * 6 Economy Demographics * 7 Demographics ??Again, lacking * 8 Education ??Again, lacking * 9 Culture ??Probably not needed * 10 Religion ??None, interesting... * 11 Architecture Transport * 12 Transport ??Probably not needed * 13 Military ??Interesting... * 14 International rankings
So, common thread is: no Education or Culture sections. The idea of an 'international rankings' section is interesting, as it would focus all these battles over rankings into one section, which would be near the end. Notably both these articles place history and administration up the top, whereas currently we have administration near the end.
And look, while I'm on a run, I'll compare it with London, although that article is not quite the same quality. Just picking out the interesting stuff
??Interesting! * 1 Defining London * 2 Geography and climate * 3 History ??Not a bad idea? * 4 Modern London ??Again... * 5 Culture A big section * 6 London Districts * 7 Demographics * 8 Government * 9 Transport and infrastructure ?? * 10 Education ??Focuses on London bias etc * 11 Media ?? * 12 Religion Very big section here * 13 Sport * 14 Business * 15 London tourist attractions o 15.1 Places of interest o 15.2 Buildings and monuments o 15.3 Museums and galleries o 15.4 Markets and shopping areas o 15.5 Parks and gardens o 15.6 Other places of interest * 16 London in the arts o 16.1 Literature featuring London o 16.2 Films featuring London o 16.3 Television programmes featuring London o 16.4 Songs featuring London o 16.5 Video Games featuring London * 17 Major exhibitions staged in London
London explicitly refers to tourist attractions, whereas I can see the argument in not doing so. But again, there is a media section, an (limited) education section, and a huge sport section. A "defining Paris" section might be a place to sort out quibbles, rather than letting that pollute the whole article. There again is a decent "districts" section fairly high up. And Business (our "Economy") is only 14th.
Hopefully all this is some food for thought. The biggest holes seem to be Education, Media, Sport, Culture and a proper Districts section. This article doesn't say a single word about Parisians, other than that they are pejoratively called Parigots. Hmm... Stevage 00:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Introduction - general description Geographical Description History Administration (how all the above is cut up today) Economy Demographics (brief growth and immigration (over time) * today's areas of density, wealth and poverty) Transportation (some surfers will come just for this) * local * commuter * National * international
City Life * Produce (market economy - open-air markets, supermarkets, boulangers etc) * Industry * Commerce ("Grandes magasins" and retail boutiques, specialties (fashion)) * Restaurants and Cafés (Gastronomy, role in culture) * Night Life (Where Parisians like to go) * Entertainment (what Parisians like to see) * Tourism (what others come to see)
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It may be interesting to compare how the structure would be if we compared with the new york city page, which I'm sort of taking as a model. Here's what our article would look like if we copied the NYC structure.
History * 1 History of New York City Districts * 2 Boroughs and neighborhoods Administration * 3 New York City government Geography * 4 Geography and climate Demographics * 5 Demographics Economy * 6 Economy ??Doesn't exist?? * 7 Culture of New Yorkers o 7.1 Immigration and international flavor o 7.2 Commuter culture o 7.3 Current issues ??Doesn't exist?? (a bit in CC&O) * 8 Tourism and recreation Cultural centres and organisations * 9 Cultural institutions ?? * 10 Media and entertainment Subsumed in cultural centres and organisations * 11 Theater Sports clubs (tiny) * 12 Professional sports Transport (quite short) * 13 Transportation o 13.1 Mass transit o 13.2 Airports o 13.3 Taxis o 13.4 Ferries ?? * 14 Education and scientific research o 14.1 Colleges and universities o 14.2 Schools o 14.3 See also Landmarks? * 15 Skyline ?? * 16 Trivia
The critical points: We really should have a strong "Districts" section right up the top. We have nothing on the culture of Parisians, and nothing on Education. While sport is not as important to Paris as it is to NYC (the Yankees, the Mets, the Nets and the Nicks are all big teams), it deserves more than a one liner. We also lack a media section.
To repeat the exercise for fun with Hong Kong (another suggested model):
History * 1 History Administration (sort of) * 2 Politics and government None - but probably not relevant for just a city * 3 Legal system and judiciary Geography * 4 Geography Administration * 5 Administrative divisions Economy * 6 Economy Demographics * 7 Demographics ??Again, lacking * 8 Education ??Again, lacking * 9 Culture ??Probably not needed * 10 Religion ??None, interesting... * 11 Architecture Transport * 12 Transport ??Probably not needed * 13 Military ??Interesting... * 14 International rankings
So, common thread is: no Education or Culture sections. The idea of an 'international rankings' section is interesting, as it would focus all these battles over rankings into one section, which would be near the end. Notably both these articles place history and administration up the top, whereas currently we have administration near the end.
And look, while I'm on a run, I'll compare it with London, although that article is not quite the same quality. Just picking out the interesting stuff
??Interesting! * 1 Defining London * 2 Geography and climate * 3 History ??Not a bad idea? * 4 Modern London ??Again... * 5 Culture A big section * 6 London Districts * 7 Demographics * 8 Government * 9 Transport and infrastructure ?? * 10 Education ??Focuses on London bias etc * 11 Media ?? * 12 Religion Very big section here * 13 Sport * 14 Business * 15 London tourist attractions o 15.1 Places of interest o 15.2 Buildings and monuments o 15.3 Museums and galleries o 15.4 Markets and shopping areas o 15.5 Parks and gardens o 15.6 Other places of interest * 16 London in the arts o 16.1 Literature featuring London o 16.2 Films featuring London o 16.3 Television programmes featuring London o 16.4 Songs featuring London o 16.5 Video Games featuring London * 17 Major exhibitions staged in London
London explicitly refers to tourist attractions, whereas I can see the argument in not doing so. But again, there is a media section, an (limited) education section, and a huge sport section. A "defining Paris" section might be a place to sort out quibbles, rather than letting that pollute the whole article. There again is a decent "districts" section fairly high up. And Business (our "Economy") is only 14th.
Hopefully all this is some food for thought. The biggest holes seem to be Education, Media, Sport, Culture and a proper Districts section. This article doesn't say a single word about Parisians, other than that they are pejoratively called Parigots. Hmm... Stevage 00:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Introduction - general description Geographical Description History Administration (how all the above is cut up today) Economy Demographics (brief growth and immigration (over time) * today's areas of density, wealth and poverty) Transportation (some surfers will come just for this) * local * commuter * National * international
City Life * Produce (market economy - open-air markets, supermarkets, boulangers etc) * Industry * Commerce ("Grandes magasins" and retail boutiques, specialties (fashion)) * Restaurants and Cafés (Gastronomy, role in culture) * Night Life (Where Parisians like to go) * Entertainment (what Parisians like to see) * Tourism (what others come to see)