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I don't see any evidence of a neutrality dispute here. Which part of this article is controversial? Jarble ( talk) 05:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I propose that Parental leave economics and Effects of parental leave be merged into Parental leave. (See my post above for full proposal) Melody.waring ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Melody.waring - I like that you added content on the economic models and effects of parental leave to round out the descriptive content of country level policies. You generally do a good job of addressing the models in different countries, but the Private parental leave section focuses mostly on the US. It might benefit from a view of businesses abroad. For the content added explicitly on the US, it has a slight negative bias. It might be useful to address the reasons why paid family leave has not developed here. Finally, I suggest a few minor formatting changes to the Benefits in a selection of countries section: condense the overview, delete Cabo Verde under Africa, and remove the description of Australia under Asia/Pacific because it is contained in the table. Dthim ( talk) 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I was very impressed with how comprehensive this article is! I especially appreciated how you applied the capabilities approach and ideas based on a neoclassical model of labor markets to understandings of the role of leave in society and your use of scholarly research on the various forms and impacts of leave. I think the entire article could benefit from better contextualizing the U.S.'s lack of paid leave - what have been the recent debates surrounding this issue? What do opponents of expanding it draw upon to justify this position? It was great to see the information about so many different countries, but I found the tables difficult to read. I am wondering if some of that information might be better represented in graphs or illustrations in some way. I was also a bit confused about private parental leave and its prevalence as a model of leave. Great start - looking forward to seeing the final version! Keareid ( talk) 23:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to help improve this article. I think there are at least two other shorter articles that could be consolidated with Parental Leave to broaden its coverage.
I would like to add Parental leave economics and Effects of parental leave as new sections in this article. I am planning several improvements to the Parental leave economics page, as posted on its talk page.
With the consolidated articles, I suggest rearranging and retitling the subheadings to better reflect existing material. A propose outline is:
1. Variation in international law (no change)
2. Economic models (consolidating from
Parental leave economics and making changes to that article)
2.1
Capabilities approach
2.2 Benefits of universal, paid parental leave (i.e., argument for)
2.3 Challenges to universal, paid parental leave (i.e., argument against)
3.
Effects of parental leave
3.1 Empirical studies on effects of policy changes
3.1a Short leave, e.g., France
3.1b Longer leave
3.1c Paternity leave and incentivizes, e.g.,
Norway
3.1d “Family policy bundles”, i.e, parental leave and subsidized childcare in the EU
3.2 Effects on prenatal and postnatal care (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
3.3 Effects on Mothers (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
3.4 Effects on the Labor Market (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
4. Parental leave policy by country (only proposed change is adding a more explanations and details about some regions; leaving everything else as-is)
4.1 Europe
4.2 Americas
4.2a
Parental leave in the United States
4.2b State-level factors
4.2c Employer influences
4.2d Domestic economics
4.3 Africa
4.4 Asia / Pacific
5. Parental leave policies in the United Nations (leaving material as is, but clarifying subheading title)
Please let me know any suggestions for me on how to improve the article as it is, or how to make this outline and suggested changes even better! I am new to Wikipedia and am very excited to be involved with this page. Please also feel free to see my comments on the Talk page of parental leave economics and paid family leave
A working bibliography I am drawing from as I work on this improvement:
Melody.waring ( talk) 22:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I was only looking at the Europe and Africa tables, but I think they all need to be reviewed. Look at Sweden, Sweden says 14 weeks and 65 weeks paid leave, in different columns (should be 14 months, I believe). The "maternity leave (weeks)" columns alternate randomly between months and weeks, I think. That or I'm just reading it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.145.131.134 ( talk) 08:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi! I don't think everything is ruined forever, don't worry! I just updated the tables in May using 2014 data; weeks are used throughout the tables (except for the "Asia" table, which still needs to be updated). So with Sweden, for instance, the first column is 14 weeks maternity leave. But families in Sweden aren't just eligible for maternity leave; as a family, they (either parent) are eligible for a total of 80 weeks of parental leave in addition to the 14 weeks of maternity leave, though only 65 of those weeks are paid. (The remaining 15 weeks would be unpaid parental leave.) See page 158 of the source for more info: http://www.ilo.org/global/publications/ilo-bookstore/order-online/books/WCMS_242615/lang--en/index.htm Thanks for looking at the page and please add sources / make changes if you notice countries that are out of date! Melody.waring ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
According https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/ Swedish parents are entitled for 480 days = 68.5 weeks of payed parental leave whereof 60 days are reserved for dad
Switzerland has only 14 weeks for the mother and zero for the father... ( https://www.ch.ch/de/mutterschaftsurlaub/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.140.153.50 ( talk) 16:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I don't see any evidence of a neutrality dispute here. Which part of this article is controversial? Jarble ( talk) 05:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I propose that Parental leave economics and Effects of parental leave be merged into Parental leave. (See my post above for full proposal) Melody.waring ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Melody.waring - I like that you added content on the economic models and effects of parental leave to round out the descriptive content of country level policies. You generally do a good job of addressing the models in different countries, but the Private parental leave section focuses mostly on the US. It might benefit from a view of businesses abroad. For the content added explicitly on the US, it has a slight negative bias. It might be useful to address the reasons why paid family leave has not developed here. Finally, I suggest a few minor formatting changes to the Benefits in a selection of countries section: condense the overview, delete Cabo Verde under Africa, and remove the description of Australia under Asia/Pacific because it is contained in the table. Dthim ( talk) 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I was very impressed with how comprehensive this article is! I especially appreciated how you applied the capabilities approach and ideas based on a neoclassical model of labor markets to understandings of the role of leave in society and your use of scholarly research on the various forms and impacts of leave. I think the entire article could benefit from better contextualizing the U.S.'s lack of paid leave - what have been the recent debates surrounding this issue? What do opponents of expanding it draw upon to justify this position? It was great to see the information about so many different countries, but I found the tables difficult to read. I am wondering if some of that information might be better represented in graphs or illustrations in some way. I was also a bit confused about private parental leave and its prevalence as a model of leave. Great start - looking forward to seeing the final version! Keareid ( talk) 23:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to help improve this article. I think there are at least two other shorter articles that could be consolidated with Parental Leave to broaden its coverage.
I would like to add Parental leave economics and Effects of parental leave as new sections in this article. I am planning several improvements to the Parental leave economics page, as posted on its talk page.
With the consolidated articles, I suggest rearranging and retitling the subheadings to better reflect existing material. A propose outline is:
1. Variation in international law (no change)
2. Economic models (consolidating from
Parental leave economics and making changes to that article)
2.1
Capabilities approach
2.2 Benefits of universal, paid parental leave (i.e., argument for)
2.3 Challenges to universal, paid parental leave (i.e., argument against)
3.
Effects of parental leave
3.1 Empirical studies on effects of policy changes
3.1a Short leave, e.g., France
3.1b Longer leave
3.1c Paternity leave and incentivizes, e.g.,
Norway
3.1d “Family policy bundles”, i.e, parental leave and subsidized childcare in the EU
3.2 Effects on prenatal and postnatal care (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
3.3 Effects on Mothers (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
3.4 Effects on the Labor Market (from
effects of parental leave, no proposed changes)
4. Parental leave policy by country (only proposed change is adding a more explanations and details about some regions; leaving everything else as-is)
4.1 Europe
4.2 Americas
4.2a
Parental leave in the United States
4.2b State-level factors
4.2c Employer influences
4.2d Domestic economics
4.3 Africa
4.4 Asia / Pacific
5. Parental leave policies in the United Nations (leaving material as is, but clarifying subheading title)
Please let me know any suggestions for me on how to improve the article as it is, or how to make this outline and suggested changes even better! I am new to Wikipedia and am very excited to be involved with this page. Please also feel free to see my comments on the Talk page of parental leave economics and paid family leave
A working bibliography I am drawing from as I work on this improvement:
Melody.waring ( talk) 22:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I was only looking at the Europe and Africa tables, but I think they all need to be reviewed. Look at Sweden, Sweden says 14 weeks and 65 weeks paid leave, in different columns (should be 14 months, I believe). The "maternity leave (weeks)" columns alternate randomly between months and weeks, I think. That or I'm just reading it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.145.131.134 ( talk) 08:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi! I don't think everything is ruined forever, don't worry! I just updated the tables in May using 2014 data; weeks are used throughout the tables (except for the "Asia" table, which still needs to be updated). So with Sweden, for instance, the first column is 14 weeks maternity leave. But families in Sweden aren't just eligible for maternity leave; as a family, they (either parent) are eligible for a total of 80 weeks of parental leave in addition to the 14 weeks of maternity leave, though only 65 of those weeks are paid. (The remaining 15 weeks would be unpaid parental leave.) See page 158 of the source for more info: http://www.ilo.org/global/publications/ilo-bookstore/order-online/books/WCMS_242615/lang--en/index.htm Thanks for looking at the page and please add sources / make changes if you notice countries that are out of date! Melody.waring ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
According https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/ Swedish parents are entitled for 480 days = 68.5 weeks of payed parental leave whereof 60 days are reserved for dad
Switzerland has only 14 weeks for the mother and zero for the father... ( https://www.ch.ch/de/mutterschaftsurlaub/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.140.153.50 ( talk) 16:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)