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File:Boisei.jpg |
File:Skulpara.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
I recently added this image only to have it reverted, with the edit comment "stop adding images to articles". I think this must have been due to poor judgement. I will of course entertain opinions to the contrary, but lacking that, I will be returning the image shortly. Jack 13:10, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wasn't aware you were in the habit of adding images, Jack. That was a strange thing for someone to say. Lizard King 00:36, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
So at this point I am going to politely ask UtherSRG, In regard to his future decisiions concerning the content of the site, to take into consideration the welfare of Wikipedia and its users, and more relevantly to UtherSRG, the full consequences of his actions, including those not immediately forthcoming. Lizard King 00:36, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This image is not copywritten. Its is also the only Paranthropus image available for this article to my knowledge. Even had you another, I see no reason not to include both. The only argument against including this image which I understand you to be presenting is your general objection to all artwork created by LK, which is in my opinion entirely unreasonable and persecutory. Jack 15:16, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
File:Skulpara.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
The hands are exceptionally long compared to the rest of the body features. I agree that different artists will come to different conclusions given the small amount of data available. For instance, this image shows three different interpretations. I can easily look at the image and point out the features taken directly from the skull fossils found. I can find no such features on the image you want to put in the article. - UtherSRG 16:38, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikiquette Jack 06:13, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks Jack. Lizard King, I'm not going to argue with you. I know you are wrong, and yelling at me is a surefire way to prove that you don't know what you are talking about. - UtherSRG 21:09, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
File:Boisei2.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
LOL Lizard King 21:31, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Uther, I think you should actually do some reading of that page. "Avoid reverting and deleting." "Work towards agreement." "Give praise when due. Everybody likes to feel appreciated, especially in an environment that often requires compromise." I almost never see you following these. From what I've seen you go out of your way to do just the opposite. a lot of time. I personally like to assume the best about people but when someone demonstrates they do thing a certain way practically every instance you deal with them, I quit assuming anything about them and work from an understanding of evidence. ScifiterX 4:44 PM EST 02.03.04
As far as the the images being posted the earlier Paranthropus skulls have a very distinct point. The later species of Paranthropus, like boise and robustus and which include some of the ones you posted Uther, appear to demonstrate a less pronounced but still quite prominent domed point. ScifiterX 5:26 PM EST 02.03.04
Why does this article sound demeaning to Paranthropus? It does seem too. How can anyone know enough about them to say they were too stupid to learn fire. Its possible of course, but the way its put.. We're talking 200,000 years ago with a thousand years being a trivial matter to us? Who knows what they did in such time frames? sunja 11:39, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't remember there being any valid reason for its removal last time, other than aggression towards Lizard king. Is there some other convincing reason, so long as a better image is not available? [[User:Sam Spade| Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 21:53, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have an image of such right here. I agree the image in my kids book is better, but big deal. The article has no image, and this one isn't all that bad. I guess I'll just wait another six months... [[User:Sam Spade| Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 22:20, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There is no consensus in the scientific community that the species A. aethiopicus, A. boisei and A. robustus belong in the genus Paranthropus. They are commonly referred to as A. aethiopicus, A. boisei and A. robustus in current peer reviewed articles and books. To provide a neutral viewpoint, both models of classification systems should be described in detail. For these reasons I have added a disputed tag. Please do not remove until article is updated to be NPOV. 154.20.161.143 08:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
A quote from The Smithsonian Institute, which is listed as a reference on the Paranthropus page, which says exactly what I have said before on the talk page:
"In recent years, many researchers have sought to emphasize the uniqueness of the heavy-chewing adaptations seen in at least three separate species of ealry human. Many favor the separation of these species into a robust genus of early human, for which the name Paranthropus was the first used, and therfore has seniority over all other names. It is this classification that we favor here, but it should be noted that there is, as yet, no consensus among paleoanthropologists on this issue." - http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/rob.htm
I am not going to try adding this information to the page because I don't want to get into another revert war with UtherSRG. I don't feel like getting blocked again for trying to improve this page. I would appreciate it if someone else added this information to the page seeing as the sources cited agree that there is NO consensus in the scientific community on the issue.-- Bubbleteagirl 05:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says, "specialized in an herbivorous diet that required a stronger jaw and molars". I've seen a piece in the New York Times (21 Nov 2006?) suggesting no specialization existed. Trekphiler 05:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
File:Boisei.jpg |
File:Skulpara.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
I recently added this image only to have it reverted, with the edit comment "stop adding images to articles". I think this must have been due to poor judgement. I will of course entertain opinions to the contrary, but lacking that, I will be returning the image shortly. Jack 13:10, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wasn't aware you were in the habit of adding images, Jack. That was a strange thing for someone to say. Lizard King 00:36, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
So at this point I am going to politely ask UtherSRG, In regard to his future decisiions concerning the content of the site, to take into consideration the welfare of Wikipedia and its users, and more relevantly to UtherSRG, the full consequences of his actions, including those not immediately forthcoming. Lizard King 00:36, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This image is not copywritten. Its is also the only Paranthropus image available for this article to my knowledge. Even had you another, I see no reason not to include both. The only argument against including this image which I understand you to be presenting is your general objection to all artwork created by LK, which is in my opinion entirely unreasonable and persecutory. Jack 15:16, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
File:Skulpara.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
The hands are exceptionally long compared to the rest of the body features. I agree that different artists will come to different conclusions given the small amount of data available. For instance, this image shows three different interpretations. I can easily look at the image and point out the features taken directly from the skull fossils found. I can find no such features on the image you want to put in the article. - UtherSRG 16:38, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikiquette Jack 06:13, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks Jack. Lizard King, I'm not going to argue with you. I know you are wrong, and yelling at me is a surefire way to prove that you don't know what you are talking about. - UtherSRG 21:09, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
File:Boisei2.jpg |
"all Paranthropus images have a flat head." Sure, Uther. We believe you. |
LOL Lizard King 21:31, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Uther, I think you should actually do some reading of that page. "Avoid reverting and deleting." "Work towards agreement." "Give praise when due. Everybody likes to feel appreciated, especially in an environment that often requires compromise." I almost never see you following these. From what I've seen you go out of your way to do just the opposite. a lot of time. I personally like to assume the best about people but when someone demonstrates they do thing a certain way practically every instance you deal with them, I quit assuming anything about them and work from an understanding of evidence. ScifiterX 4:44 PM EST 02.03.04
As far as the the images being posted the earlier Paranthropus skulls have a very distinct point. The later species of Paranthropus, like boise and robustus and which include some of the ones you posted Uther, appear to demonstrate a less pronounced but still quite prominent domed point. ScifiterX 5:26 PM EST 02.03.04
Why does this article sound demeaning to Paranthropus? It does seem too. How can anyone know enough about them to say they were too stupid to learn fire. Its possible of course, but the way its put.. We're talking 200,000 years ago with a thousand years being a trivial matter to us? Who knows what they did in such time frames? sunja 11:39, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't remember there being any valid reason for its removal last time, other than aggression towards Lizard king. Is there some other convincing reason, so long as a better image is not available? [[User:Sam Spade| Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 21:53, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have an image of such right here. I agree the image in my kids book is better, but big deal. The article has no image, and this one isn't all that bad. I guess I'll just wait another six months... [[User:Sam Spade| Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 22:20, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There is no consensus in the scientific community that the species A. aethiopicus, A. boisei and A. robustus belong in the genus Paranthropus. They are commonly referred to as A. aethiopicus, A. boisei and A. robustus in current peer reviewed articles and books. To provide a neutral viewpoint, both models of classification systems should be described in detail. For these reasons I have added a disputed tag. Please do not remove until article is updated to be NPOV. 154.20.161.143 08:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
A quote from The Smithsonian Institute, which is listed as a reference on the Paranthropus page, which says exactly what I have said before on the talk page:
"In recent years, many researchers have sought to emphasize the uniqueness of the heavy-chewing adaptations seen in at least three separate species of ealry human. Many favor the separation of these species into a robust genus of early human, for which the name Paranthropus was the first used, and therfore has seniority over all other names. It is this classification that we favor here, but it should be noted that there is, as yet, no consensus among paleoanthropologists on this issue." - http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/rob.htm
I am not going to try adding this information to the page because I don't want to get into another revert war with UtherSRG. I don't feel like getting blocked again for trying to improve this page. I would appreciate it if someone else added this information to the page seeing as the sources cited agree that there is NO consensus in the scientific community on the issue.-- Bubbleteagirl 05:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says, "specialized in an herbivorous diet that required a stronger jaw and molars". I've seen a piece in the New York Times (21 Nov 2006?) suggesting no specialization existed. Trekphiler 05:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)