It's not a "resignation", it's a "renunciation", or an "abdication"-- that is, an abdication of the Chair of St. Peter, representing the "Petrine Ministry" (i.e., the Papacy). There is a difference in wording, and historically, in almost all sources and textbooks it has never been deemed a resignation, but an abdication. However, Pope Emeritus Benedict clearly used "renunciation", which makes sense, too. Resignation is simply not the proper, actual, term, nor the term used historically, so the article should reflect that, especially in its title. The media, not understanding the inner workings of the Catholic Church, just sloppily misapplied an ahistorical and technically incorrect term. Wikipedia should be above that, and should seek to be as precise and accurate as possible, especially about such a complex historical and religious subject.
Does anyone know what happens after the pope resigns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamwisesun ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 26 March 2008
if the last pope to resign resigned in 1415 and we have now 2013, it's obviously not "over 600 years" 89.245.84.52 ( talk) 11:55, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Could someone please translate into standard English the paragraph beginning "Apart from stating that...." under Incapacitation? I know all the words, but I can't make sense of what they're supposed to mean in this context. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 13:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The information on Pope Gregory XII (1406-1415) in the History section of the article states that he resigned. This is in conflict with the article "List of Popes" that states that he abdicated.
George Fleischmann — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgefky ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Spelling change - fulfil to fulfill Savaici ( talk) 14:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Do former popes retain the title of pope (and other styles)? Theshibboleth ( talk) 14:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Anyone feel like going through these? Of varying distance from official canon law, e.g. Antipope Felix V resigned but was arguably a bit distant, others may be closer. Antipope#List_of_historical_antipopes - David Gerard ( talk) 15:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Let's wait until February 28, 2013 before we replace Pope Gregory XII with Pope Benedict XVI, as the most recent pope to resign. GoodDay ( talk) 15:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
PEOPLE, there's no fire here. Wait until he resigns. GoodDay ( talk) 15:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh for bleep sake, I give up. GoodDay ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Alright, for the sake of staying WP:CIVIL and before anyone goes over WP:3RR, we need to discuss whether the current pope's statement says that he HAS resigned or WILL resign. Here is the Pope's statement, according to BBC News [1]:
"For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is."
According to GoodDay, the Pope "will resign on 28 February," while David Gerard says the Pope "had resigned with effect from 28 February." David Gerard says, in an edit summary: "the BBC quote is quite unambiguous: he's resigned, it takes effect 28 feb. what is not clear from his own words?"
I am personally inclined to go with David Gerard's opinion, as that is how I interpret the Pope's statement. However, I'd like there to be consensus before reverting anything. Sang'gre Habagat ( talk) 16:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to update the fact, that Benedict resigned on February 28, 2013 - with accompany source. Why am I being reverted? GoodDay ( talk) 15:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The Pope resigned on February 28, 2013. Why is that even being disputed? GoodDay ( talk) 15:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to write that this List of papal resignations is partially wrong or, at least, incomplete. The first pope who resigned is considered Pope Clement I. His resignation can be dubious but he should be mentioned too, as Pope Liberius, Pope Marcellinus, Pope John XVII. Anyway, the first who resigned without any doubts was Pope Silverius, as Catholic encyclopedia is stating in its first sentence too: Pope St. Silverius. -- Gambo7 ( talk) 01:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Saying that the resignation is unrelated to any scandal seems to be original research at best and PoV at worst. Unless there is a citation, I think Wikipedia should not be making such a broad declaration. 66.87.70.104 ( talk) 01:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
He doesn't have to be added, but seeing as his announcement said "I renounce" in present tense, he can be. Even if he were to expire or take it back, he still would be a pope who resigned. There is, however, little point in fighting about it for two weeks. 50.136.204.189 ( talk) 22:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Roman Pontiff Emeritus has been announced as the new titles in English, and that the garb will be a simple white cassock with brown shoes. Would it go into this article or a new one? -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 00:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
@ CanonLawJunkie: The title is "Papal resignation", but the lead introduces it as "papal renunciation", then the rest of the article continues to call it "resignation". What's the deal here? Should the title be switched? Or should the lead be changed to distinguish between the common and formal names for the same thing? Deus vult (aliquid)! Crusadestudent ( talk) 01:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, the article shouldn't have been moved from Papal resignation to Papal renunciation, without a discussion. GoodDay ( talk) 20:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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It's not a "resignation", it's a "renunciation", or an "abdication"-- that is, an abdication of the Chair of St. Peter, representing the "Petrine Ministry" (i.e., the Papacy). There is a difference in wording, and historically, in almost all sources and textbooks it has never been deemed a resignation, but an abdication. However, Pope Emeritus Benedict clearly used "renunciation", which makes sense, too. Resignation is simply not the proper, actual, term, nor the term used historically, so the article should reflect that, especially in its title. The media, not understanding the inner workings of the Catholic Church, just sloppily misapplied an ahistorical and technically incorrect term. Wikipedia should be above that, and should seek to be as precise and accurate as possible, especially about such a complex historical and religious subject.
Does anyone know what happens after the pope resigns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamwisesun ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 26 March 2008
if the last pope to resign resigned in 1415 and we have now 2013, it's obviously not "over 600 years" 89.245.84.52 ( talk) 11:55, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Could someone please translate into standard English the paragraph beginning "Apart from stating that...." under Incapacitation? I know all the words, but I can't make sense of what they're supposed to mean in this context. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 13:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The information on Pope Gregory XII (1406-1415) in the History section of the article states that he resigned. This is in conflict with the article "List of Popes" that states that he abdicated.
George Fleischmann — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgefky ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Spelling change - fulfil to fulfill Savaici ( talk) 14:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Do former popes retain the title of pope (and other styles)? Theshibboleth ( talk) 14:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Anyone feel like going through these? Of varying distance from official canon law, e.g. Antipope Felix V resigned but was arguably a bit distant, others may be closer. Antipope#List_of_historical_antipopes - David Gerard ( talk) 15:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Let's wait until February 28, 2013 before we replace Pope Gregory XII with Pope Benedict XVI, as the most recent pope to resign. GoodDay ( talk) 15:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
PEOPLE, there's no fire here. Wait until he resigns. GoodDay ( talk) 15:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh for bleep sake, I give up. GoodDay ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Alright, for the sake of staying WP:CIVIL and before anyone goes over WP:3RR, we need to discuss whether the current pope's statement says that he HAS resigned or WILL resign. Here is the Pope's statement, according to BBC News [1]:
"For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is."
According to GoodDay, the Pope "will resign on 28 February," while David Gerard says the Pope "had resigned with effect from 28 February." David Gerard says, in an edit summary: "the BBC quote is quite unambiguous: he's resigned, it takes effect 28 feb. what is not clear from his own words?"
I am personally inclined to go with David Gerard's opinion, as that is how I interpret the Pope's statement. However, I'd like there to be consensus before reverting anything. Sang'gre Habagat ( talk) 16:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to update the fact, that Benedict resigned on February 28, 2013 - with accompany source. Why am I being reverted? GoodDay ( talk) 15:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The Pope resigned on February 28, 2013. Why is that even being disputed? GoodDay ( talk) 15:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to write that this List of papal resignations is partially wrong or, at least, incomplete. The first pope who resigned is considered Pope Clement I. His resignation can be dubious but he should be mentioned too, as Pope Liberius, Pope Marcellinus, Pope John XVII. Anyway, the first who resigned without any doubts was Pope Silverius, as Catholic encyclopedia is stating in its first sentence too: Pope St. Silverius. -- Gambo7 ( talk) 01:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Saying that the resignation is unrelated to any scandal seems to be original research at best and PoV at worst. Unless there is a citation, I think Wikipedia should not be making such a broad declaration. 66.87.70.104 ( talk) 01:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
He doesn't have to be added, but seeing as his announcement said "I renounce" in present tense, he can be. Even if he were to expire or take it back, he still would be a pope who resigned. There is, however, little point in fighting about it for two weeks. 50.136.204.189 ( talk) 22:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Roman Pontiff Emeritus has been announced as the new titles in English, and that the garb will be a simple white cassock with brown shoes. Would it go into this article or a new one? -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 00:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
@ CanonLawJunkie: The title is "Papal resignation", but the lead introduces it as "papal renunciation", then the rest of the article continues to call it "resignation". What's the deal here? Should the title be switched? Or should the lead be changed to distinguish between the common and formal names for the same thing? Deus vult (aliquid)! Crusadestudent ( talk) 01:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, the article shouldn't have been moved from Papal resignation to Papal renunciation, without a discussion. GoodDay ( talk) 20:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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