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I've just created Category:Panthera species, which gathers all the articles on Panthera species. Does this duplicate what is done here at Panthera, or is the category useful as well? (I also created some missing redirects, and bypassed some double redirects, so the work wasn't entirely about creating the category). Carcharoth 14:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This page needs to be rewritten completely. This time with links and facts because most of this is incorrect. dnlcaissie 11:36 EST 1/FEB/2007
I made this edit, because this paper does not dicribe the Panthera as the most recently evolved cats, but mention older papers, which says, that the Pantherinae are the most recently evolved felid group. But as the Felinae are (According to all recent studies) a sister taxon of the Pantherinae, both groups are exactly of the same age. But that does not say anything about the genus Panthera itself.-- Altaileopard 15:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, before someone inserts a tree again, see Talk:Jaguar#Taxonomy_section before making an arbitrary choice for a specific tree. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The interwiki listing is hidden, but I don't know how to fix it.-- RR' 13:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
the dictionary entry at < http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=panther> poses a different etymology for "panther." the Tiger article here links to this, claiming the greek "all hunting/beast" is folk etymology. anyone have additional sources? Metanoid ( talk, email) 11:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
παν+θήραμα = every + prey. The american heritage dictionary doesn't respect the linguistic heritage of others. I am going to expect for 15 days, then change this funny definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.50.224 ( talk) 18:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, I implemented recent insights regarding the taxonomic position of the snow leopard. This has resulted in the disbanding of the genus Uncia, thus moving the snow leopard to the genus Panthera. These changes were quickly reverted, as the current position of the snow leopard was considered to be still uncertain. That may have been true a few weeks ago - however on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals there has been a discussion regarding this subject. It was more or less decided that the Handbook of the Mammals of the World is now considered to be an acceptable source for taxonomic changes (in respect to the MSW). According to this Handbook, the snow leopard should be moved from Uncia to Panthera. I think these changes should be (re-)implemented on the Panthera article. DaMatriX ( talk) 19:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Pundareek is Sanskrit for Lotus, this is a fact, one can find that online everywhere. Somebody on the net has wrongly translated it as "Tiger", and that reference is being used here on Wikipedia, how can we correct that please? The actual sanskrit word for Tiger is "Vyaghra", which is the root for the modern Hindi word for Tiger "Baagh" Lilaac ( talk) 02:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The picture diplaying panthera range seems to be inconsistent with the picture showing the leopard distribution in the article on the leopard. It shows that the leopard is present but fragmented in almost all of southern Asia. / Kiewbra ( talk) 19:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
It was recently genetically proven, that the Ethiopian or Abyssinian Lion is a subspecies, different of any other Lion. So Wikipedia get this right, get informed, it was a study of a laboratory in the U.K., i do not know more, but it was on television in Germany. It seems like Wikipedia do not bother any mistake on their website. Fix it quickly.
PS: It is obvious that almost every species on the planet has somehow its roots in Africa, even when there are yet some fossils left to find before proof.
GL
Is this even a real animal? I cannot find any info on them in the literature, Google scholar and online except here. I am thinking of removing them and deleting their page. 4444hhhh ( talk) 04:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Genus_authority is not displaying! I think this has something to do with the entry directly above not being genus = Panthera, but I'm not sure how to fix it! SEThorpe ( talk) 23:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The revisions for lion and tiger taxonomy have introduced some inconsistencies, I would argue errors. The Cape lion does not include the Congo lion and the Javan tiger does not include the Sumatran tiger. What the revisions say is that the trinomical Panthera tigris sondaica, which was originally ascribed to the Javan tiger, is now considered to include the Javan, Bali and Sumatran tigers. The Javan tiger is still the tiger that lived on Java, the Bali and Sumatran tigers are not a type of Javan tiger; all three are Sunda tigers.
The listing is difficult as there are no clear common names assigned to the newly defined trinomials, except for the Sunda tiger. I would suggest ...
The same approach should be taken for continental tiger, north Africa/Asiatic lion and southern/eastern lions, although the common names used require consideration. An alternative would be to list the trinomical with the regions covered in parenthesis, e.g. "Panthera leo leo (lions of North Africa, West Africa and Asia), including:". Jts1882 | talk 13:52, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
This article is about the genus and shows the taxonomic classification of Panthera. Therefore, it is unnecessary to replicate info about admixture that is given and referenced in the various Lion articles and resp. talk pages already *multiple times*, including multiple refs to one and the same cat news special issue. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 09:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
For those who are unfamiliar with the genetics of African lions, let me start from the beginning. Geographically, there are two main types of lions: African and Asian. The Asiatic lion, today surviving in and around Gir Forest in India, has been treated as a subspecies of its own, with the taxonomic name Panthera leo persica. Within Africa, a number of subspecies were described, such as the Barbary lion (P. l. leo) of North Africa, the Senegal lion (P. l. senegalensis) of Western and Central Africa, the Congo lion (P. l. azandica) (in the northeastern part of Congo-Kinshasa, adjacent to the East African country of Uganda) in Central Africa, the Uganda lion (P. l. nyanzae) and Masai lion (P. l. massaica syn. P. l. hollisteri) in East Africa, and the Transvaal lion (P. l. krugeri) and Cape lion (P. l. melanochaitus) in Southern Africa (not to be confused with South Africa). In 2016, these guys [2] did genetic tests, and there is something interesting here. Senegal lions in Western Africa and certain parts of Central Africa were found to be more closely related to Barbary and Asiatic lions than to lions in Eastern and Southern Africa. Thus in 2017, the Cat Classification Task Force of the Cat Specialist Group subsumed Asiatic, Barbary and Senegal lions to P. l. leo, and the others to P. l. melanochaita. [1] However, if you look at this map by Berola et al. (2016), [2] besides this and this document from the Cat Specialist Group, then you should notice that there are areas of overlap between the two clades, that is P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita, such as Ethiopia in Northeast Africa, and Kenya in East Africa. For this reason, Central African (including in Congo-Kinshasa), Ethiopian, Masai, Somali and Ugandan lions can be treated as being genetically mixed between P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Not just frustrating, but also practically difficult. In addition, I think that we better remove bullet-points like for P. l. azandica within the part for P. l. leo, because not only does that document not directly say that P. l. azandica was subsumed to P. l. leo, [1] the genetics are complicated. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
The old subspecies names are obsolete in that they are no longer considered subspecies. That doesn't mean that they are not still populations with some distinctive characteristics. The genetic studies clearly show some substructure that could have been used to describe 4-6 subspecies, but instead are now described as regional groups. Most of the scientific literature on lions consists of descriptions applied to a particular regional population of lions, usually referred to by the trinomial names. This science isn't discarded because the subspecies are no longer recognised, so it is important to determine which current subspecies the trinomials belong to or if they are admixtures. It should be added that when the lions in one country are ascribed to two subspecies or groups, it doesn't mean that they are admixtures that can't be usually be assigned primarily to one group. The Bertola et al (2015) study refers to Ethiopia1 and Ethiopia2 lions, which group with central and eastern lions, respectively, in their study. The Ethiopia1 lions come from the west of the rift valley, a barrier for lion dispersal. Jts1882 | talk 08:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Which central African lions grouped with P. l. melanochaita in Bertola et al (2016)? The Ethiopian lions seem to be the only problematic ones. The rest of the central African lions span the Sahel from Nigeria to Sudan. Jts1882 | talk 14:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
List of African lions that are unresolved or made ambiguous or potentially ambiguous by the Cat Specialist Group's proposal:
Description | Image |
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P. l. melanochaita in Central Africa.
Genetic tests demonstrate the presence of the
Eastern-
Southern African
clade of lions in certain parts of Central Africa:
[2]
1) Congo lion or Northeast Congo lion [4] (called P. l. azandica) [5] in Virunga National Park is contiguous with the East African lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda. Allen also admitted a close relationship between azandica and massaica in East Africa. 2) Katanga lion or Southwest African lion (called P. l. bleyenberghi) [5] was named after Katanga Province in the Belgian Congo in Central Africa, but, as the latter name suggests, is present in parts of Southern Africa. |
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Northeast African lions:
1) Egyptian lion. Heptner and Sludskii (1972) [6] treated the Egyptian lion as a population of the Barbary subspecies, but at the same time, Egypt has a section of Nubia. Both Nubia and Egypt are in Northeast Africa, [7] they are neither exclusively Eastern nor Northern African. Whether or not the Egyptian lion is the Nubian lion needs research. 2) Ethiopian lion (called P. l. roosevelti). [5] The captive lions in Addis Abeba's zoo were found to be genetically different (if not unique) to other lions, in a study by Bruche et al. (2012). According to Bertola et al. (2016), Ethiopia, which is regarded as being in East or Northeast Africa, is where the Central ( P. l. leo according to the CSG) and Eastern (P. l. melanochaita according to the CSG) populations overlap. [2] 3) Nubian lion (called P. l. nubica). [5] 4) Somali lion (called P. l. somaliensis or P. l. webbiensis). [5] Somalia is regarded as being in East or Northeast Africa, but genetic tests by Bertola et al. (2016) demonstrate that it is a region of overlap between P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita. [2] |
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Mixed lions in East Africa, apart from those in the Northeastern region:
[2]
1) Uganda lion (called P. l. nyanzae) (Heller, 1913), [5] Uganda is in East Africa, so it would be P. l. melanochaita according to the CSG, but lions in Queen Elizabeth National Park are contiguous with Central African lions (P. l. leo according to the CSG) in Virunga National Park, as mentioned earlier. Contiguity would mean genetic exchange. 2) Masai lions (called P. l. massaica syn. P. l. hollisteri (Allen, 1924)) [5] in the northern part of Kenya. This region is where P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita overlap. [2] |
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On second thought, there is disunity amongst members of the Cat Specialist Group, as mentioned here. Leo1pard ( talk) 05:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
According to the ICZN:
Recommendation 67B. Citation of type species. The name of a type species should be cited by its original binomen. If the name of the type species is, or is currently treated as, an invalid name, authors may also cite its valid synonym.
So I think Felis pardus is correct. Jts1882 | talk 14:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
All in America and are the same in biology. You can mate them. Lion, Tiger ...Liger. Panion...I can keep going. Stop trying to control information Wiki. You (Wiki) don't know. 172.56.82.219 ( talk) 09:39, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Big cat may be moved to the article Panthera because it commonly refers to this genus.The information will be in the section Panthera:Species.the non-Panthera Species of commonly called Big cats will have their information on the bottom of the article. It will be told each in one paragraph in the fewest words possible to properly explain these Species. JanZakrzewski ( talk) 11:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've just created Category:Panthera species, which gathers all the articles on Panthera species. Does this duplicate what is done here at Panthera, or is the category useful as well? (I also created some missing redirects, and bypassed some double redirects, so the work wasn't entirely about creating the category). Carcharoth 14:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This page needs to be rewritten completely. This time with links and facts because most of this is incorrect. dnlcaissie 11:36 EST 1/FEB/2007
I made this edit, because this paper does not dicribe the Panthera as the most recently evolved cats, but mention older papers, which says, that the Pantherinae are the most recently evolved felid group. But as the Felinae are (According to all recent studies) a sister taxon of the Pantherinae, both groups are exactly of the same age. But that does not say anything about the genus Panthera itself.-- Altaileopard 15:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, before someone inserts a tree again, see Talk:Jaguar#Taxonomy_section before making an arbitrary choice for a specific tree. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The interwiki listing is hidden, but I don't know how to fix it.-- RR' 13:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
the dictionary entry at < http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=panther> poses a different etymology for "panther." the Tiger article here links to this, claiming the greek "all hunting/beast" is folk etymology. anyone have additional sources? Metanoid ( talk, email) 11:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
παν+θήραμα = every + prey. The american heritage dictionary doesn't respect the linguistic heritage of others. I am going to expect for 15 days, then change this funny definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.50.224 ( talk) 18:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, I implemented recent insights regarding the taxonomic position of the snow leopard. This has resulted in the disbanding of the genus Uncia, thus moving the snow leopard to the genus Panthera. These changes were quickly reverted, as the current position of the snow leopard was considered to be still uncertain. That may have been true a few weeks ago - however on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals there has been a discussion regarding this subject. It was more or less decided that the Handbook of the Mammals of the World is now considered to be an acceptable source for taxonomic changes (in respect to the MSW). According to this Handbook, the snow leopard should be moved from Uncia to Panthera. I think these changes should be (re-)implemented on the Panthera article. DaMatriX ( talk) 19:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Pundareek is Sanskrit for Lotus, this is a fact, one can find that online everywhere. Somebody on the net has wrongly translated it as "Tiger", and that reference is being used here on Wikipedia, how can we correct that please? The actual sanskrit word for Tiger is "Vyaghra", which is the root for the modern Hindi word for Tiger "Baagh" Lilaac ( talk) 02:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The picture diplaying panthera range seems to be inconsistent with the picture showing the leopard distribution in the article on the leopard. It shows that the leopard is present but fragmented in almost all of southern Asia. / Kiewbra ( talk) 19:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
It was recently genetically proven, that the Ethiopian or Abyssinian Lion is a subspecies, different of any other Lion. So Wikipedia get this right, get informed, it was a study of a laboratory in the U.K., i do not know more, but it was on television in Germany. It seems like Wikipedia do not bother any mistake on their website. Fix it quickly.
PS: It is obvious that almost every species on the planet has somehow its roots in Africa, even when there are yet some fossils left to find before proof.
GL
Is this even a real animal? I cannot find any info on them in the literature, Google scholar and online except here. I am thinking of removing them and deleting their page. 4444hhhh ( talk) 04:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Genus_authority is not displaying! I think this has something to do with the entry directly above not being genus = Panthera, but I'm not sure how to fix it! SEThorpe ( talk) 23:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The revisions for lion and tiger taxonomy have introduced some inconsistencies, I would argue errors. The Cape lion does not include the Congo lion and the Javan tiger does not include the Sumatran tiger. What the revisions say is that the trinomical Panthera tigris sondaica, which was originally ascribed to the Javan tiger, is now considered to include the Javan, Bali and Sumatran tigers. The Javan tiger is still the tiger that lived on Java, the Bali and Sumatran tigers are not a type of Javan tiger; all three are Sunda tigers.
The listing is difficult as there are no clear common names assigned to the newly defined trinomials, except for the Sunda tiger. I would suggest ...
The same approach should be taken for continental tiger, north Africa/Asiatic lion and southern/eastern lions, although the common names used require consideration. An alternative would be to list the trinomical with the regions covered in parenthesis, e.g. "Panthera leo leo (lions of North Africa, West Africa and Asia), including:". Jts1882 | talk 13:52, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
This article is about the genus and shows the taxonomic classification of Panthera. Therefore, it is unnecessary to replicate info about admixture that is given and referenced in the various Lion articles and resp. talk pages already *multiple times*, including multiple refs to one and the same cat news special issue. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 09:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
For those who are unfamiliar with the genetics of African lions, let me start from the beginning. Geographically, there are two main types of lions: African and Asian. The Asiatic lion, today surviving in and around Gir Forest in India, has been treated as a subspecies of its own, with the taxonomic name Panthera leo persica. Within Africa, a number of subspecies were described, such as the Barbary lion (P. l. leo) of North Africa, the Senegal lion (P. l. senegalensis) of Western and Central Africa, the Congo lion (P. l. azandica) (in the northeastern part of Congo-Kinshasa, adjacent to the East African country of Uganda) in Central Africa, the Uganda lion (P. l. nyanzae) and Masai lion (P. l. massaica syn. P. l. hollisteri) in East Africa, and the Transvaal lion (P. l. krugeri) and Cape lion (P. l. melanochaitus) in Southern Africa (not to be confused with South Africa). In 2016, these guys [2] did genetic tests, and there is something interesting here. Senegal lions in Western Africa and certain parts of Central Africa were found to be more closely related to Barbary and Asiatic lions than to lions in Eastern and Southern Africa. Thus in 2017, the Cat Classification Task Force of the Cat Specialist Group subsumed Asiatic, Barbary and Senegal lions to P. l. leo, and the others to P. l. melanochaita. [1] However, if you look at this map by Berola et al. (2016), [2] besides this and this document from the Cat Specialist Group, then you should notice that there are areas of overlap between the two clades, that is P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita, such as Ethiopia in Northeast Africa, and Kenya in East Africa. For this reason, Central African (including in Congo-Kinshasa), Ethiopian, Masai, Somali and Ugandan lions can be treated as being genetically mixed between P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Not just frustrating, but also practically difficult. In addition, I think that we better remove bullet-points like for P. l. azandica within the part for P. l. leo, because not only does that document not directly say that P. l. azandica was subsumed to P. l. leo, [1] the genetics are complicated. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
The old subspecies names are obsolete in that they are no longer considered subspecies. That doesn't mean that they are not still populations with some distinctive characteristics. The genetic studies clearly show some substructure that could have been used to describe 4-6 subspecies, but instead are now described as regional groups. Most of the scientific literature on lions consists of descriptions applied to a particular regional population of lions, usually referred to by the trinomial names. This science isn't discarded because the subspecies are no longer recognised, so it is important to determine which current subspecies the trinomials belong to or if they are admixtures. It should be added that when the lions in one country are ascribed to two subspecies or groups, it doesn't mean that they are admixtures that can't be usually be assigned primarily to one group. The Bertola et al (2015) study refers to Ethiopia1 and Ethiopia2 lions, which group with central and eastern lions, respectively, in their study. The Ethiopia1 lions come from the west of the rift valley, a barrier for lion dispersal. Jts1882 | talk 08:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Which central African lions grouped with P. l. melanochaita in Bertola et al (2016)? The Ethiopian lions seem to be the only problematic ones. The rest of the central African lions span the Sahel from Nigeria to Sudan. Jts1882 | talk 14:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
List of African lions that are unresolved or made ambiguous or potentially ambiguous by the Cat Specialist Group's proposal:
Description | Image |
---|---|
P. l. melanochaita in Central Africa.
Genetic tests demonstrate the presence of the
Eastern-
Southern African
clade of lions in certain parts of Central Africa:
[2]
1) Congo lion or Northeast Congo lion [4] (called P. l. azandica) [5] in Virunga National Park is contiguous with the East African lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda. Allen also admitted a close relationship between azandica and massaica in East Africa. 2) Katanga lion or Southwest African lion (called P. l. bleyenberghi) [5] was named after Katanga Province in the Belgian Congo in Central Africa, but, as the latter name suggests, is present in parts of Southern Africa. |
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Northeast African lions:
1) Egyptian lion. Heptner and Sludskii (1972) [6] treated the Egyptian lion as a population of the Barbary subspecies, but at the same time, Egypt has a section of Nubia. Both Nubia and Egypt are in Northeast Africa, [7] they are neither exclusively Eastern nor Northern African. Whether or not the Egyptian lion is the Nubian lion needs research. 2) Ethiopian lion (called P. l. roosevelti). [5] The captive lions in Addis Abeba's zoo were found to be genetically different (if not unique) to other lions, in a study by Bruche et al. (2012). According to Bertola et al. (2016), Ethiopia, which is regarded as being in East or Northeast Africa, is where the Central ( P. l. leo according to the CSG) and Eastern (P. l. melanochaita according to the CSG) populations overlap. [2] 3) Nubian lion (called P. l. nubica). [5] 4) Somali lion (called P. l. somaliensis or P. l. webbiensis). [5] Somalia is regarded as being in East or Northeast Africa, but genetic tests by Bertola et al. (2016) demonstrate that it is a region of overlap between P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita. [2] |
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Mixed lions in East Africa, apart from those in the Northeastern region:
[2]
1) Uganda lion (called P. l. nyanzae) (Heller, 1913), [5] Uganda is in East Africa, so it would be P. l. melanochaita according to the CSG, but lions in Queen Elizabeth National Park are contiguous with Central African lions (P. l. leo according to the CSG) in Virunga National Park, as mentioned earlier. Contiguity would mean genetic exchange. 2) Masai lions (called P. l. massaica syn. P. l. hollisteri (Allen, 1924)) [5] in the northern part of Kenya. This region is where P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita overlap. [2] |
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On second thought, there is disunity amongst members of the Cat Specialist Group, as mentioned here. Leo1pard ( talk) 05:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
According to the ICZN:
Recommendation 67B. Citation of type species. The name of a type species should be cited by its original binomen. If the name of the type species is, or is currently treated as, an invalid name, authors may also cite its valid synonym.
So I think Felis pardus is correct. Jts1882 | talk 14:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
All in America and are the same in biology. You can mate them. Lion, Tiger ...Liger. Panion...I can keep going. Stop trying to control information Wiki. You (Wiki) don't know. 172.56.82.219 ( talk) 09:39, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Big cat may be moved to the article Panthera because it commonly refers to this genus.The information will be in the section Panthera:Species.the non-Panthera Species of commonly called Big cats will have their information on the bottom of the article. It will be told each in one paragraph in the fewest words possible to properly explain these Species. JanZakrzewski ( talk) 11:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)