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Re-inventing 19th Century Istanbul with sources on the 19th Century neighbourhood with "present tense" (Is instead of Was) for irredentist POV. Delete this article. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Still the text is problematic. Relying on 19th Century sources it claims the place is "inhabited mainly by Levantine Christians" (sic). The only Christians that I know to live in that part of Istanbul are some Turkish Armenians and maybe (a big maybe) several Greeks of Turkey. I doubt these people are considered Levantine Christians because they are indigenous people of Istanbul. (The Greeks were already there as Romans and the Armenians were brought in by Mehmed II in the 1450s.) Independently from the foregoing, it is a clearly known fact that the population of not even one semt (quarter) of Şişli or any other district of Istanbul is not mainly Christian. (If someone brings an RS to the contrary we will use that fact in WP; if not, based on 19th Century -or Ottoman- data we cannot write an article about a place in the final days of 2012.) For the moment I am adding a "citation needed" tag not to be misunderstood as if I were looking for an edit war. However, if a contemporary RS is not placed rather quickly I will remove that baseless claim. -- E4024 ( talk) 20:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
While I am hoping this article to be deleted, please change the ridiculous Turkey map from infobox; leave aside the country, this so-called place without borders (as it is neither a district nor a municipality) is not even a dot in the city of Istanbul. Better use a map or plan of Şişli district where maybe we can see the quarter or neighbourhood. -- E4024 ( talk) 00:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I do not see even one in this article. Please responsible editors intervene. -- E4024 ( talk) 00:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Help please. I cannot identify this 1866 Armenian church Anarad Hiğutyun Ermeni Katholik Kilisesi in Pangalti among Category:Churches in Istanbul. Is it there under another name, or does it simply not have an article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Pangaltı, tr:İstanbul'un tr:Avrupa Yakası'nda bulunan Şişli ilçesinde bir semttir. Bir semt olduğundan kesin sınırları çizilememekle birlikte, idari olarak Halaskargazi, Bozkurt ve Cumhuriyet mahallelerinin kestiği alana yayıldığı söylenebilir. Şişli merkezin ana aksını oluşturan tr:Halaskargazi Caddesi üzerinde; Osmanbey ve Harbiye semtleri arasında bulunur.
Here is the text from the tr.wp article. E4024 how do you propose to incorporate Osmanbey and Harbiye into links in the lede of this article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
"As part of the 1860s redevelopment of Istanbul, The Christian cemeteries in Taksim were moved to Şişli, when the avenue between Taksim and Pangaltı was under construction in 1864." This sentence has nothing to do with this article, as it is neither an article on Taksim nor about the Christian cemeteries in Istanbul. If I do not remove it that is because I do not want to look like I am edit fighting with a user very enthusiastic about some issues. -- E4024 ( talk) 12:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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Re-inventing 19th Century Istanbul with sources on the 19th Century neighbourhood with "present tense" (Is instead of Was) for irredentist POV. Delete this article. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Still the text is problematic. Relying on 19th Century sources it claims the place is "inhabited mainly by Levantine Christians" (sic). The only Christians that I know to live in that part of Istanbul are some Turkish Armenians and maybe (a big maybe) several Greeks of Turkey. I doubt these people are considered Levantine Christians because they are indigenous people of Istanbul. (The Greeks were already there as Romans and the Armenians were brought in by Mehmed II in the 1450s.) Independently from the foregoing, it is a clearly known fact that the population of not even one semt (quarter) of Şişli or any other district of Istanbul is not mainly Christian. (If someone brings an RS to the contrary we will use that fact in WP; if not, based on 19th Century -or Ottoman- data we cannot write an article about a place in the final days of 2012.) For the moment I am adding a "citation needed" tag not to be misunderstood as if I were looking for an edit war. However, if a contemporary RS is not placed rather quickly I will remove that baseless claim. -- E4024 ( talk) 20:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
While I am hoping this article to be deleted, please change the ridiculous Turkey map from infobox; leave aside the country, this so-called place without borders (as it is neither a district nor a municipality) is not even a dot in the city of Istanbul. Better use a map or plan of Şişli district where maybe we can see the quarter or neighbourhood. -- E4024 ( talk) 00:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I do not see even one in this article. Please responsible editors intervene. -- E4024 ( talk) 00:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Help please. I cannot identify this 1866 Armenian church Anarad Hiğutyun Ermeni Katholik Kilisesi in Pangalti among Category:Churches in Istanbul. Is it there under another name, or does it simply not have an article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Pangaltı, tr:İstanbul'un tr:Avrupa Yakası'nda bulunan Şişli ilçesinde bir semttir. Bir semt olduğundan kesin sınırları çizilememekle birlikte, idari olarak Halaskargazi, Bozkurt ve Cumhuriyet mahallelerinin kestiği alana yayıldığı söylenebilir. Şişli merkezin ana aksını oluşturan tr:Halaskargazi Caddesi üzerinde; Osmanbey ve Harbiye semtleri arasında bulunur.
Here is the text from the tr.wp article. E4024 how do you propose to incorporate Osmanbey and Harbiye into links in the lede of this article? In ictu oculi ( talk) 02:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
"As part of the 1860s redevelopment of Istanbul, The Christian cemeteries in Taksim were moved to Şişli, when the avenue between Taksim and Pangaltı was under construction in 1864." This sentence has nothing to do with this article, as it is neither an article on Taksim nor about the Christian cemeteries in Istanbul. If I do not remove it that is because I do not want to look like I am edit fighting with a user very enthusiastic about some issues. -- E4024 ( talk) 12:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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