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Two questions regarding the scope of the PSI:
Thanks-- ZayZayEM 07:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
This simply isn't good enough for wikipedia. I know US experts (generally) have global influence, but we need to have this referenced from a credible second or third party source. As this is something sort-of-fresh of the table, it really begs its encyclopedic value until it actually has been tested and accepted. I get no real information about what this index is, just its purpose. I don't even get that this is a proposed scheme that hasn't even been really utilised by anyone yet. Take a look at the article on Tropical cyclone scales, they have details like who uses them where, and when/how/why they were developed.I tell you that our experts are second to none.
-WAS
I know this seems like I am targetting you, it's not for simple harrassment. These are valid concerns about the writing style in several articles where you are a main contributor. You must say where information comes from and provide relevent context - you cannot place government reports as facts, they are government reports regardless of their credibility.-- ZayZayEM 04:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale: The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is used only to describe hurricanes forming in the Atlantic Ocean and northern Pacific Ocean east of the International Date Line.
You asked me questions. I answered your questions. I get nothing back from you but ignorant lip. I'm done with you. Look up the answers to your own questions from now on. WAS 4.250 05:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't do tables. The list of Category levels would look so much better in a table.-- ZayZayEM 02:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone provide a source for "to the US population"? As far as I know there is no such limitation. Further, common sense would indicate the desire of US officials to "indicate the risk" to US citizens and military personnel all over the world and to our friends and allies all over the world. Does anyone have a source for this unnecessary, pointless and bizarre limitation on the intended use of the PSI? WAS 4.250 18:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Any comments? I think there are some tense issues. Is PSI singular or plural?-- ZayZayEM 13:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be really polite about this. I'm not trying to be a wanker or troll, but depsite the effort I just put into this article unless anyone can change my mind it is probably going to be nominated for Deletion.
This is a proposed US domestic health classification guideline from that the CDC themselves have acknowledged is a work in progress. The sources I used are for the most part PR exercises loaded with public health and governmental buzzwords for media digestion. Nothing much exists (online) beyond these February press releases. The CDC churns out guidelines like these with regularity, it doesn't mean they deserve a wikipedia article.
The PSI does not currently meet Notability requirements. It may in the future, but not right at this time.-- ZayZayEM 13:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
A diagram similar to the one here at health News Blog [1] would be great-- ZayZayEM 03:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The CDC said they would revise the Index in the subsequent months. It's been about 18 months since the unveiling of the PSI.
Any of you guys with your finger on the pulse more than me have any news of updates to the Index?-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 01:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/community/commitigation.html does not give me the impression that they planned to change it. Perhaps they made a comment somewhere (eg " The interim guidance will be updated when significant new information about the usefulness and feasibility of these approaches emerges.") giving themselves room to modify it if they ever felt a need and you misunderstood? WAS 4.250 ( talk) 01:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
On 26 April 2008, 156.34.44.68 added Stages 6 and 7 to the chart under "Guidelines," but I am unable to locate any such mention of such in the CDC references. But, if there is, I doubt the CDC would refer to Stage 7 as the religious term "Apocalypse." -- - W5WMW ( talk) 23:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The language "pandemic is going to get out of control" is sensational, unencyclopedic, and at odds with the Index itself. I replaced this with "how likely a disease will spread worldwide". Only Level 5 is about a pandemic. The other four levels are all non-pandemic (or pre-pandemic), and the language of the article should reflect this. And no disease is "under control". They all spread, mutate, and eventually end outside of human control. Interlingua 12:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
image:WHO pandemic phases.png should be added to this article. 76.66.202.139 ( talk) 10:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Has the HHS/CDC used the PSI during the current swine flu scare? I think that is a real test of how successful they were out of moving this from a developmental "beta" project into a live indexing scheme. (Although it probably only rates a 1 at most at present, not a very high CFR as yet). I've seen quite a few references to WHO Pandemic phases, but haven't heard anyone mention a PSI on news reports I've seen.-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking for the same thing, as I work for a bank and federal guidance indicates that I need to reference my business continuity plan to the WHO pandemic index and US Pandemic Severity Index. However, I've been searching for it everywhere and have not been able to find it. When I questioned the FFIEC (the regulatory agency who recommended the PSI usage) as to the location of the PSI, I was given the website to the original report that explains its use, not the actual index itself. ~~lsk4psu 9:20EST, 04 August 2009
Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but someone appears to have confused the 2009 swine flu outbreak's rating of 5 on the WHO's pandemic influenza phase rating system with the pandemic severity index, two very different things. This may give the impression that the WHO expects greater than two million US deaths as a result of this outbreak, when, from what I've read, no one yet knows how fatal this strain will become. I'd delete it, but I haven't had my coffee yet and it'd be cool if someone else could verify this first. 173.79.50.138 ( talk) 12:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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Name | Date | World pop. | Subtype | Reproduction number [3] | Infected (est.) | Deaths worldwide | Case fatality rate | Pandemic severity |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Spanish flu [4] | 1918–20 | 1.80 billion | H1N1 | 1.80 (IQR, 1.47–2.27) | 33% (500 million) [5] or >56% (>1 billion) [6] | 17 [7]–100 [8] [9] million | 2–3%, [6] or ~4%, or ~10% [10] | 5 |
Asian flu | 1957–58 | 2.90 billion | H2N2 | 1.65 (IQR, 1.53–1.70) | >17% (>500 million) [6] | 1–4 million [6] | <0.2% [6] | 2 |
Hong Kong flu | 1968–69 | 3.53 billion | H3N2 | 1.80 (IQR, 1.56–1.85) | >14% (>500 million) [6] | 1–4 million [6] | <0.2% [6] [11] | 2 |
1977 Russian flu | 1977–79 | 4.21 billion | H1N1 | ? | ? | 0.7 million [12] | ? | ? |
2009 swine flu pandemic [13] [14] | 2009–10 | 6.85 billion | H1N1/09 | 1.46 (IQR, 1.30–1.70) | 11–21% (0.7–1.4 billion) [15] | 151,700–575,400 [16] | 0.01% [17] [18] | 1 |
Typical seasonal flu [t 1] | Every year | 7.75 billion | A/H3N2, A/H1N1, B, ... | 1.28 (IQR, 1.19–1.37) | 5–15% (340 million – 1 billion)
[19] 3–11% or 5–20% [20] [21] (240 million – 1.6 billion) |
290,000–650,000/year [22] | <0.1% [23] | 1 |
Notes
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Yug (talk) 16:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
References
Why is 2019 coronavirus disease listed in the pandemic chart? As far as I am aware, the CDC (or any other source) has not declared that, and furthermore the introduction to this page says the PSI is only for flu epidemics.
Meh222 ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I reversed the edit on July 23 that listed COVID-19 as a category 5 pandemic. It should not be listed in that chart without a proper citation. Megathon7 ( talk) 05:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Do we need to put a note about not listing Covid-19 at this point? Every few days someone adds it back in without sources despite this not being a current metric Ragdolcatllover ( talk) 23:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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Two questions regarding the scope of the PSI:
Thanks-- ZayZayEM 07:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
This simply isn't good enough for wikipedia. I know US experts (generally) have global influence, but we need to have this referenced from a credible second or third party source. As this is something sort-of-fresh of the table, it really begs its encyclopedic value until it actually has been tested and accepted. I get no real information about what this index is, just its purpose. I don't even get that this is a proposed scheme that hasn't even been really utilised by anyone yet. Take a look at the article on Tropical cyclone scales, they have details like who uses them where, and when/how/why they were developed.I tell you that our experts are second to none.
-WAS
I know this seems like I am targetting you, it's not for simple harrassment. These are valid concerns about the writing style in several articles where you are a main contributor. You must say where information comes from and provide relevent context - you cannot place government reports as facts, they are government reports regardless of their credibility.-- ZayZayEM 04:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale: The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is used only to describe hurricanes forming in the Atlantic Ocean and northern Pacific Ocean east of the International Date Line.
You asked me questions. I answered your questions. I get nothing back from you but ignorant lip. I'm done with you. Look up the answers to your own questions from now on. WAS 4.250 05:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't do tables. The list of Category levels would look so much better in a table.-- ZayZayEM 02:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone provide a source for "to the US population"? As far as I know there is no such limitation. Further, common sense would indicate the desire of US officials to "indicate the risk" to US citizens and military personnel all over the world and to our friends and allies all over the world. Does anyone have a source for this unnecessary, pointless and bizarre limitation on the intended use of the PSI? WAS 4.250 18:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Any comments? I think there are some tense issues. Is PSI singular or plural?-- ZayZayEM 13:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be really polite about this. I'm not trying to be a wanker or troll, but depsite the effort I just put into this article unless anyone can change my mind it is probably going to be nominated for Deletion.
This is a proposed US domestic health classification guideline from that the CDC themselves have acknowledged is a work in progress. The sources I used are for the most part PR exercises loaded with public health and governmental buzzwords for media digestion. Nothing much exists (online) beyond these February press releases. The CDC churns out guidelines like these with regularity, it doesn't mean they deserve a wikipedia article.
The PSI does not currently meet Notability requirements. It may in the future, but not right at this time.-- ZayZayEM 13:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
A diagram similar to the one here at health News Blog [1] would be great-- ZayZayEM 03:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The CDC said they would revise the Index in the subsequent months. It's been about 18 months since the unveiling of the PSI.
Any of you guys with your finger on the pulse more than me have any news of updates to the Index?-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 01:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/community/commitigation.html does not give me the impression that they planned to change it. Perhaps they made a comment somewhere (eg " The interim guidance will be updated when significant new information about the usefulness and feasibility of these approaches emerges.") giving themselves room to modify it if they ever felt a need and you misunderstood? WAS 4.250 ( talk) 01:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
On 26 April 2008, 156.34.44.68 added Stages 6 and 7 to the chart under "Guidelines," but I am unable to locate any such mention of such in the CDC references. But, if there is, I doubt the CDC would refer to Stage 7 as the religious term "Apocalypse." -- - W5WMW ( talk) 23:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The language "pandemic is going to get out of control" is sensational, unencyclopedic, and at odds with the Index itself. I replaced this with "how likely a disease will spread worldwide". Only Level 5 is about a pandemic. The other four levels are all non-pandemic (or pre-pandemic), and the language of the article should reflect this. And no disease is "under control". They all spread, mutate, and eventually end outside of human control. Interlingua 12:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
image:WHO pandemic phases.png should be added to this article. 76.66.202.139 ( talk) 10:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Has the HHS/CDC used the PSI during the current swine flu scare? I think that is a real test of how successful they were out of moving this from a developmental "beta" project into a live indexing scheme. (Although it probably only rates a 1 at most at present, not a very high CFR as yet). I've seen quite a few references to WHO Pandemic phases, but haven't heard anyone mention a PSI on news reports I've seen.-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking for the same thing, as I work for a bank and federal guidance indicates that I need to reference my business continuity plan to the WHO pandemic index and US Pandemic Severity Index. However, I've been searching for it everywhere and have not been able to find it. When I questioned the FFIEC (the regulatory agency who recommended the PSI usage) as to the location of the PSI, I was given the website to the original report that explains its use, not the actual index itself. ~~lsk4psu 9:20EST, 04 August 2009
Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but someone appears to have confused the 2009 swine flu outbreak's rating of 5 on the WHO's pandemic influenza phase rating system with the pandemic severity index, two very different things. This may give the impression that the WHO expects greater than two million US deaths as a result of this outbreak, when, from what I've read, no one yet knows how fatal this strain will become. I'd delete it, but I haven't had my coffee yet and it'd be cool if someone else could verify this first. 173.79.50.138 ( talk) 12:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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Name | Date | World pop. | Subtype | Reproduction number [3] | Infected (est.) | Deaths worldwide | Case fatality rate | Pandemic severity |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Spanish flu [4] | 1918–20 | 1.80 billion | H1N1 | 1.80 (IQR, 1.47–2.27) | 33% (500 million) [5] or >56% (>1 billion) [6] | 17 [7]–100 [8] [9] million | 2–3%, [6] or ~4%, or ~10% [10] | 5 |
Asian flu | 1957–58 | 2.90 billion | H2N2 | 1.65 (IQR, 1.53–1.70) | >17% (>500 million) [6] | 1–4 million [6] | <0.2% [6] | 2 |
Hong Kong flu | 1968–69 | 3.53 billion | H3N2 | 1.80 (IQR, 1.56–1.85) | >14% (>500 million) [6] | 1–4 million [6] | <0.2% [6] [11] | 2 |
1977 Russian flu | 1977–79 | 4.21 billion | H1N1 | ? | ? | 0.7 million [12] | ? | ? |
2009 swine flu pandemic [13] [14] | 2009–10 | 6.85 billion | H1N1/09 | 1.46 (IQR, 1.30–1.70) | 11–21% (0.7–1.4 billion) [15] | 151,700–575,400 [16] | 0.01% [17] [18] | 1 |
Typical seasonal flu [t 1] | Every year | 7.75 billion | A/H3N2, A/H1N1, B, ... | 1.28 (IQR, 1.19–1.37) | 5–15% (340 million – 1 billion)
[19] 3–11% or 5–20% [20] [21] (240 million – 1.6 billion) |
290,000–650,000/year [22] | <0.1% [23] | 1 |
Notes
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Yug (talk) 16:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
References
Why is 2019 coronavirus disease listed in the pandemic chart? As far as I am aware, the CDC (or any other source) has not declared that, and furthermore the introduction to this page says the PSI is only for flu epidemics.
Meh222 ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I reversed the edit on July 23 that listed COVID-19 as a category 5 pandemic. It should not be listed in that chart without a proper citation. Megathon7 ( talk) 05:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Do we need to put a note about not listing Covid-19 at this point? Every few days someone adds it back in without sources despite this not being a current metric Ragdolcatllover ( talk) 23:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)