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The terms railroad and railway are synonims, the former used in the United States, the latter in Britain. The Panama Railroad was American-built. Its builders were not likely to use the term railway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Adler ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
(I don't know who that was; it wasn't signed)
Agreed. In point of fact the official name of the entity during the American tenure in Panama was indeed "Panama Railroad." HiramShadraski 18:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The Panama Railroad as used in "transcontinental" travel between New York and San Francisco before 1869 constituted only a very small portion (between Aspinwall and Panama City) of the entire ticketed passage which was offered by the North American Steamship Company prior to the completion of the Pacific Railroad with the vast majority of the trip being made over water by steamer. When opened on January 28, 1855, the railroad was actually referred to as the "Inter-Oceanic" railroad. Making the "claim" that a line just 48 miles long constitutes a "transcontinental" railroad does not comport with how the term is customarily used or understood. (One of the references that you cite was in fact written by me and uses the term "claim" to indicate that this view is hardly an absolute.) Using this logic, a railroad running from Miami, FL, on the Atlantic Ocean to Tampa, FL, on the Gulf of Mexico could also be described as a "transcontinental" railroad as well which would, I think, be quite misleading. I have been studying and writing extensively and professionally about this subject for more than ten years, have read (and own original copies of) a great many of the primary source materials (images of some which I have now posted in the article), and have given this topic a great deal of study and thought. I restructured the introduction to this article very carefully to accurately reflect what is contained in those materials. ( Centpacrr ( talk) 02:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC))
{{
main|Transcontinental railroad}}
).See Rail tracks.
Tabletop (
talk) 08:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
According to the second sentence in the lead of this article:
and then lower down in the "Post Panama Canal" section we find:
yet according to the company's web page at [1] we find that:
The three statements do not seem to agree with each other. Have the same two companies run CPRC continously since 1998? What became of Panama Holdings LLC? Is Mi-Jack Products still helping to operate the CPRC? Is Lanigan Holdings LLC still helping to operate the CPRC? Should both sentences in this wikipedia article be altered to reflect what the company's website states? 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 01:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
What was gauge of the extensive construction railways for the Panama Canal? Tabletop ( talk) 11:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Once the United States settled into the canal's construction and after failure of a commission system the company and canal construction became entirely efforts of the United States Department of War which had close oversight of the Zone through WW II. This aspect is nearly completely unaddressed in the text. I've added one note and a reference with the most succinct statement of this fact, but there are multiple sources detailing issues and how the company operated during this period. Palmeira ( talk) 11:08, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
A significant subsidiary of the railroad was the associated shipping line, Panama Railroad Steamship Line, that operated a number of notable ships both in support of the canal (personnel and freight) and as a passenger line. A number of notable ships ( SS Ulysses (1914), SS Ancon (1901), USS Ancon (AGC-4), SS Panama (1939) link to the article yet only yield a rail/rolling stock centric content without context to the shipping operations. 71.178.17.34 ( talk) 11:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
The section on an alleged electrification project seems to be completely made up, just like the weirdly specific and nonsensical “future rolling stock” section. No such project seems to be planned, and no order or ordering intention has been placed or publicized for the 5 locomotives or 7 train sets (which does not even make any sense when buying only 5 locomotives).
200.108.63.214 (
talk) 18:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
@ Mike Peel: Could you elaborate on the rationale behind your proposed split? I could see the merit in splitting between the historic railroad and the post 2001 operation, is that what you are proposing? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
M 95.85.104.140 ( talk) 09:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I was just in Panama and poked around the train "stations" (they are just platforms) in both Panama City and Colón. There is no passenger service and it looks like there hasn't been for many months. People I asked say it was discontinued at the start of covid and never resumed. I saw no indication that there are plans to start it back up.
The web site is still up, and still has a timetable and fares listed. I have been unable to find any RS that says the service is discontinued. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 13:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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The terms railroad and railway are synonims, the former used in the United States, the latter in Britain. The Panama Railroad was American-built. Its builders were not likely to use the term railway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Adler ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
(I don't know who that was; it wasn't signed)
Agreed. In point of fact the official name of the entity during the American tenure in Panama was indeed "Panama Railroad." HiramShadraski 18:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The Panama Railroad as used in "transcontinental" travel between New York and San Francisco before 1869 constituted only a very small portion (between Aspinwall and Panama City) of the entire ticketed passage which was offered by the North American Steamship Company prior to the completion of the Pacific Railroad with the vast majority of the trip being made over water by steamer. When opened on January 28, 1855, the railroad was actually referred to as the "Inter-Oceanic" railroad. Making the "claim" that a line just 48 miles long constitutes a "transcontinental" railroad does not comport with how the term is customarily used or understood. (One of the references that you cite was in fact written by me and uses the term "claim" to indicate that this view is hardly an absolute.) Using this logic, a railroad running from Miami, FL, on the Atlantic Ocean to Tampa, FL, on the Gulf of Mexico could also be described as a "transcontinental" railroad as well which would, I think, be quite misleading. I have been studying and writing extensively and professionally about this subject for more than ten years, have read (and own original copies of) a great many of the primary source materials (images of some which I have now posted in the article), and have given this topic a great deal of study and thought. I restructured the introduction to this article very carefully to accurately reflect what is contained in those materials. ( Centpacrr ( talk) 02:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC))
{{
main|Transcontinental railroad}}
).See Rail tracks.
Tabletop (
talk) 08:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
According to the second sentence in the lead of this article:
and then lower down in the "Post Panama Canal" section we find:
yet according to the company's web page at [1] we find that:
The three statements do not seem to agree with each other. Have the same two companies run CPRC continously since 1998? What became of Panama Holdings LLC? Is Mi-Jack Products still helping to operate the CPRC? Is Lanigan Holdings LLC still helping to operate the CPRC? Should both sentences in this wikipedia article be altered to reflect what the company's website states? 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 01:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
What was gauge of the extensive construction railways for the Panama Canal? Tabletop ( talk) 11:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Once the United States settled into the canal's construction and after failure of a commission system the company and canal construction became entirely efforts of the United States Department of War which had close oversight of the Zone through WW II. This aspect is nearly completely unaddressed in the text. I've added one note and a reference with the most succinct statement of this fact, but there are multiple sources detailing issues and how the company operated during this period. Palmeira ( talk) 11:08, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
A significant subsidiary of the railroad was the associated shipping line, Panama Railroad Steamship Line, that operated a number of notable ships both in support of the canal (personnel and freight) and as a passenger line. A number of notable ships ( SS Ulysses (1914), SS Ancon (1901), USS Ancon (AGC-4), SS Panama (1939) link to the article yet only yield a rail/rolling stock centric content without context to the shipping operations. 71.178.17.34 ( talk) 11:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
The section on an alleged electrification project seems to be completely made up, just like the weirdly specific and nonsensical “future rolling stock” section. No such project seems to be planned, and no order or ordering intention has been placed or publicized for the 5 locomotives or 7 train sets (which does not even make any sense when buying only 5 locomotives).
200.108.63.214 (
talk) 18:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
@ Mike Peel: Could you elaborate on the rationale behind your proposed split? I could see the merit in splitting between the historic railroad and the post 2001 operation, is that what you are proposing? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
M 95.85.104.140 ( talk) 09:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I was just in Panama and poked around the train "stations" (they are just platforms) in both Panama City and Colón. There is no passenger service and it looks like there hasn't been for many months. People I asked say it was discontinued at the start of covid and never resumed. I saw no indication that there are plans to start it back up.
The web site is still up, and still has a timetable and fares listed. I have been unable to find any RS that says the service is discontinued. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 13:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)