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Poland had its colors way before panslavists, so this may be a pure coincidence. After all Flag of France is also 100% "pan-slavic".
Therefore unless the statute of the flag says something about pan-slavism expressly or this is known from the history of the creation of the flag, one better not to list them. It is a common rule of wikipedia:verifiability.
The most suspicious entries here are Poland, Sakha, Yamalia, Taimyria, "former Nenetsiya", "former Belarus".
Specifically, Poland and "former Belarus" would feel strongly against Panslavism, which for them means colonization by Russia, and in the latter case, total annihilation as nation.
Also, what the heck is "Flag of Ruthenians"? Dont' we know that the latter term requires a heavy disambiguation?
mikka (t) 17:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Unlike France, which is not Slavic state, Poland and Belarus are Slavic states. So, the flag of France is totally unappropriate here. You are right that Polish flag have different roots. Flags of the Russian autonomous republics and regions seems to be based on the Russian flag (but I am not sure about this). Can you explain the roots of the former Belarussian flag? Flag of the Ruthenians is a flag of ethnic Ruthenians/ Rusyns. User:PANONIAN
Ok, I removed flags of France, Sakha and Poland, since it is clear that these 3 do not belong here. In fact, there is problem. Flag of Poland is older than pan-Slavic colours, but Polish flag was a base for the Czech flag. The pan-Slavic colours might not have only Russian, but also Polish roots. We maybe should return Polish flag. As for the flags of Yamalia, Taimyria, "former Nenetsiya", and "former Belarus", if you are sure that they are not based on the Russian or pan-Slavic colours, please remove them (They look pan-Slavic to me). User:PANONIAN
Here are the problems:
Ok, then Poland and Belarus should not be here, but what about these Russian autonomous regions? Are these flags based on Russian flag or not? User:PANONIAN
Mikka, the article already contain this sentence: "These three colours are, symbolising freedom and revolutionary ideals, also used on the flags of many non-Slavic nations, including the United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and France."
So, we do not need to write that "Flag of France accidentally has the same colors, although arranged in vertical strips". Dont you agree? User:PANONIAN
Unlike France, which is not Slavic state, Poland and Belarus are Slavic states. I doubt anybody in Poland places any importance of having "slavic" origins.The idea of Slavic background as something important for the state or the nation is rather a Russian concept. Panslavism in Poland is disliked(to say the least) as it was used by Russia to justify occupation of Poles by Russians. So its very doubtfull if culture in Poland connects our flag to mythical slavic colours.Perhaps some fringe groups. Molobo
The dispute seems to have been solved so I have removed the {{accuracy}}-tag. -- Palnatoke 09:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I will remove the OR "Slavic" flags since it this article about Panslavic colours. The Flag of Poland is flag of Poles-not only those from Slavic ethnicity but also Tatars, Germans, Jews, Greeks who are members of Polish nation-- Molobo ( talk) 17:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
What is this? This article is about the Pan-Slavic colors, not Slavic nations using different colors. The sentence "The flags of some Slavic nations and entities, for various reasons, do not contain the Pan-Slavic colours" is especially indicative of useless information. Also, compare to the articles on Pan-African and Pan-Arab colors for precedent. Anyone have a compelling reason it should stay? danis1911 ( talk) 16:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This sentence would need a reliable source: "The same is true for the flag of Slovenia, which takes its colors from the flag of Carniola." It may be so but the inspiration for the flag may be pan-slavic as it was presented in 1848. I think statement such as this must be taken from a reliable source before being posted on wikipedia. -- Odisej ( talk) 14:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I find it questionable, that Bulgaria should be mentioned at all since there isn't any proof or even a theory, that the Bulgarian flag could have anything to do with the panslavic colours. The green-white-red combination
Second; even if it would be worth mentioning, that the Bulgarian flag is not panslavic, the sentence "instead having a flag very similar to that of Russia but with the central blue strip replaced by a green one" should be removed, since it is insinuating, that the Bulgarian flag has something to do with the Russian, but is not saying it. And indeed, it can't be said, since there isn't any evidence, that the Bulgarian flag descends from the Russian one, and that the blue has been "replaced" by green. So I wiil remove this part, if nobody objects. -- Kreuzkümmel ( talk) 23:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't the flags of Poland, Belarus, Bosnia etc be included there? Unless anyone objects, I think I will be adding them. Regards, -- Spivorg ( talk) 20:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that this article provides no references whatsoever, it has been edited sporadically according to tastes (read as WP:OR as attested to by the talk alone.
While I don't wish to nominate the article for deletion, it's in desperate need of reliable and verifiable sources. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@ Nick Mitchell 98: I reverted your edit. You added the flag of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia to the gallery in this edit. You cited this page as a source. Now, I would like you to tell me where exactly on that page is the source that says that the flag has Pan-Slavic colors? I don't see any mention of Pan-Slavic colors on that page. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Poland may not have blue, but it has red and white, should it be added to the article? Jjjjjjdddddd ( talk) 06:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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Poland had its colors way before panslavists, so this may be a pure coincidence. After all Flag of France is also 100% "pan-slavic".
Therefore unless the statute of the flag says something about pan-slavism expressly or this is known from the history of the creation of the flag, one better not to list them. It is a common rule of wikipedia:verifiability.
The most suspicious entries here are Poland, Sakha, Yamalia, Taimyria, "former Nenetsiya", "former Belarus".
Specifically, Poland and "former Belarus" would feel strongly against Panslavism, which for them means colonization by Russia, and in the latter case, total annihilation as nation.
Also, what the heck is "Flag of Ruthenians"? Dont' we know that the latter term requires a heavy disambiguation?
mikka (t) 17:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Unlike France, which is not Slavic state, Poland and Belarus are Slavic states. So, the flag of France is totally unappropriate here. You are right that Polish flag have different roots. Flags of the Russian autonomous republics and regions seems to be based on the Russian flag (but I am not sure about this). Can you explain the roots of the former Belarussian flag? Flag of the Ruthenians is a flag of ethnic Ruthenians/ Rusyns. User:PANONIAN
Ok, I removed flags of France, Sakha and Poland, since it is clear that these 3 do not belong here. In fact, there is problem. Flag of Poland is older than pan-Slavic colours, but Polish flag was a base for the Czech flag. The pan-Slavic colours might not have only Russian, but also Polish roots. We maybe should return Polish flag. As for the flags of Yamalia, Taimyria, "former Nenetsiya", and "former Belarus", if you are sure that they are not based on the Russian or pan-Slavic colours, please remove them (They look pan-Slavic to me). User:PANONIAN
Here are the problems:
Ok, then Poland and Belarus should not be here, but what about these Russian autonomous regions? Are these flags based on Russian flag or not? User:PANONIAN
Mikka, the article already contain this sentence: "These three colours are, symbolising freedom and revolutionary ideals, also used on the flags of many non-Slavic nations, including the United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and France."
So, we do not need to write that "Flag of France accidentally has the same colors, although arranged in vertical strips". Dont you agree? User:PANONIAN
Unlike France, which is not Slavic state, Poland and Belarus are Slavic states. I doubt anybody in Poland places any importance of having "slavic" origins.The idea of Slavic background as something important for the state or the nation is rather a Russian concept. Panslavism in Poland is disliked(to say the least) as it was used by Russia to justify occupation of Poles by Russians. So its very doubtfull if culture in Poland connects our flag to mythical slavic colours.Perhaps some fringe groups. Molobo
The dispute seems to have been solved so I have removed the {{accuracy}}-tag. -- Palnatoke 09:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I will remove the OR "Slavic" flags since it this article about Panslavic colours. The Flag of Poland is flag of Poles-not only those from Slavic ethnicity but also Tatars, Germans, Jews, Greeks who are members of Polish nation-- Molobo ( talk) 17:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
What is this? This article is about the Pan-Slavic colors, not Slavic nations using different colors. The sentence "The flags of some Slavic nations and entities, for various reasons, do not contain the Pan-Slavic colours" is especially indicative of useless information. Also, compare to the articles on Pan-African and Pan-Arab colors for precedent. Anyone have a compelling reason it should stay? danis1911 ( talk) 16:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This sentence would need a reliable source: "The same is true for the flag of Slovenia, which takes its colors from the flag of Carniola." It may be so but the inspiration for the flag may be pan-slavic as it was presented in 1848. I think statement such as this must be taken from a reliable source before being posted on wikipedia. -- Odisej ( talk) 14:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I find it questionable, that Bulgaria should be mentioned at all since there isn't any proof or even a theory, that the Bulgarian flag could have anything to do with the panslavic colours. The green-white-red combination
Second; even if it would be worth mentioning, that the Bulgarian flag is not panslavic, the sentence "instead having a flag very similar to that of Russia but with the central blue strip replaced by a green one" should be removed, since it is insinuating, that the Bulgarian flag has something to do with the Russian, but is not saying it. And indeed, it can't be said, since there isn't any evidence, that the Bulgarian flag descends from the Russian one, and that the blue has been "replaced" by green. So I wiil remove this part, if nobody objects. -- Kreuzkümmel ( talk) 23:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't the flags of Poland, Belarus, Bosnia etc be included there? Unless anyone objects, I think I will be adding them. Regards, -- Spivorg ( talk) 20:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that this article provides no references whatsoever, it has been edited sporadically according to tastes (read as WP:OR as attested to by the talk alone.
While I don't wish to nominate the article for deletion, it's in desperate need of reliable and verifiable sources. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@ Nick Mitchell 98: I reverted your edit. You added the flag of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia to the gallery in this edit. You cited this page as a source. Now, I would like you to tell me where exactly on that page is the source that says that the flag has Pan-Slavic colors? I don't see any mention of Pan-Slavic colors on that page. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Poland may not have blue, but it has red and white, should it be added to the article? Jjjjjjdddddd ( talk) 06:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC)