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Those sound like quotes; in which case they should be noted as such and sourced. Otherwise, ought to be reworded to be more neutral. E.g. removing adjectives such as "great Marcus Garvey", and citing why "Anyone claiming the creation of the Red, Black and Green" is incorrect, beyond the claims of UNIA. Or for that matter, mentioning who else is claiming the creation of it. -- Mairi 02:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
A large portion of this article is indeed quoted directly from this page of the UNIA web site. I'm not sure about the copyright implications of that, but I'd think it would be best to just rewrite this stuff from more of a neutral point of view. Otherwise, it should be made much clearer (there's a " at the beginning, but that's not good enough!)
-- Oolong 13:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I agreed so much with the above remarks by Mairi and Oolong that I went ahead and did the rewrite, deleting material that had copyright implications, was redundant, non-germane, non-encyclopedic style, or excessively POV. Added sections on similar flags and most importantly, on the other names for this flag. Left in relevant Marcus Garvey quote which has hardcopy citation. Added more historical info and citations. -- Lisasmall 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I feel strongly that this article should be moved to the name Pan-African Flag as the current title, Red, black and green flag is neither its name, nor a phrase most people would use to look it up. It's just a poorly-punctuated takeoff on the Red, White, and Blue, fine as a nickname of course but not suitable for an encyclopedia title. UNIA flag would not be my choice, because though UNIA originated the flag, it is known much more widely as the Pan-African flag or Black Liberation flag. Pan-African flag does not currently exist as an article; Black Liberation flag redirects to Red, black and green flag. I requested Pan-African flag rather than Black Liberation flag because the PAF use seems to be more current, and more reflective of:
However, if there are strong feelings favoring Black Liberation flag over Pan-African flag, I would not object. Please add your thoughts in Discussion section below Survey. -- Lisasmall 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I've undone the last move, as there was clearly no consensus for it, and also move-protected the page. — Nightst a llion (?) 22:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've heard it said that the green stands for Ireland, because the UNIA identified their struggle for freedom with the struggle for independence of the Irish people, which was happening at the same time (i.e. 1920). Any truth to this? EamonnPKeane ( talk) 00:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with saying that the Flag of Libya is similar. It is far more similar than some of the other flags in the "Similar Flags" catagory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.73.144 ( talk) 07:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Then perhaps "similar flags" is a poor choice for the heading as it merely implies that the flags are similar, which the Libyan Flag certainly is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xuberfail ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of citations in this article. A lot of important information, such as the colour meanings, is uncited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xuberfail ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Would the Malawi 2010–2012 flag be considered a derivative flag? Mcstove ( talk) 15:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus ( non-admin closure) Calidum 04:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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Red Black and Green flag – Pan-African flag is ambiguous, revisionist, and cites no sources to support it referencing the Red, Black and Green. Beginning August 13, 1920 the
Declaration of the Rights of the Negro Peoples of the World referred to Red, Black and Green. Among the articles will be found Declaration 39 which states as follows:
"That the colors, Red, Black and Green, be the colors of the African race."
The Universal Negro Catechism defines the Red, Black and Green as:
“Red is the color of the blood which men must shed for their redemption and liberty”, black for “the color of the noble and distinguished race to which we belong,” and green for “the luxuriant vegetation of our Motherland.”
Nowhere does the Catechism mention a "Pan-African flag." In fact it seems the name "Pan-African flag" is a revisionist neologism in that the history of the flag up until recent years has never used such a term to the Red, Black and Green.
The article Pan-African colours presents a diametrically opposed view of the subject to this article. It indicates Red Black and Green are NOT the Pan-African colors.
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Those sound like quotes; in which case they should be noted as such and sourced. Otherwise, ought to be reworded to be more neutral. E.g. removing adjectives such as "great Marcus Garvey", and citing why "Anyone claiming the creation of the Red, Black and Green" is incorrect, beyond the claims of UNIA. Or for that matter, mentioning who else is claiming the creation of it. -- Mairi 02:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
A large portion of this article is indeed quoted directly from this page of the UNIA web site. I'm not sure about the copyright implications of that, but I'd think it would be best to just rewrite this stuff from more of a neutral point of view. Otherwise, it should be made much clearer (there's a " at the beginning, but that's not good enough!)
-- Oolong 13:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I agreed so much with the above remarks by Mairi and Oolong that I went ahead and did the rewrite, deleting material that had copyright implications, was redundant, non-germane, non-encyclopedic style, or excessively POV. Added sections on similar flags and most importantly, on the other names for this flag. Left in relevant Marcus Garvey quote which has hardcopy citation. Added more historical info and citations. -- Lisasmall 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I feel strongly that this article should be moved to the name Pan-African Flag as the current title, Red, black and green flag is neither its name, nor a phrase most people would use to look it up. It's just a poorly-punctuated takeoff on the Red, White, and Blue, fine as a nickname of course but not suitable for an encyclopedia title. UNIA flag would not be my choice, because though UNIA originated the flag, it is known much more widely as the Pan-African flag or Black Liberation flag. Pan-African flag does not currently exist as an article; Black Liberation flag redirects to Red, black and green flag. I requested Pan-African flag rather than Black Liberation flag because the PAF use seems to be more current, and more reflective of:
However, if there are strong feelings favoring Black Liberation flag over Pan-African flag, I would not object. Please add your thoughts in Discussion section below Survey. -- Lisasmall 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I've undone the last move, as there was clearly no consensus for it, and also move-protected the page. — Nightst a llion (?) 22:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've heard it said that the green stands for Ireland, because the UNIA identified their struggle for freedom with the struggle for independence of the Irish people, which was happening at the same time (i.e. 1920). Any truth to this? EamonnPKeane ( talk) 00:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with saying that the Flag of Libya is similar. It is far more similar than some of the other flags in the "Similar Flags" catagory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.73.144 ( talk) 07:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Then perhaps "similar flags" is a poor choice for the heading as it merely implies that the flags are similar, which the Libyan Flag certainly is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xuberfail ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of citations in this article. A lot of important information, such as the colour meanings, is uncited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xuberfail ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Would the Malawi 2010–2012 flag be considered a derivative flag? Mcstove ( talk) 15:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus ( non-admin closure) Calidum 04:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Pan-African flag →
Red Black and Green flag – Pan-African flag is ambiguous, revisionist, and cites no sources to support it referencing the Red, Black and Green. Beginning August 13, 1920 the
Declaration of the Rights of the Negro Peoples of the World referred to Red, Black and Green. Among the articles will be found Declaration 39 which states as follows:
"That the colors, Red, Black and Green, be the colors of the African race."
The Universal Negro Catechism defines the Red, Black and Green as:
“Red is the color of the blood which men must shed for their redemption and liberty”, black for “the color of the noble and distinguished race to which we belong,” and green for “the luxuriant vegetation of our Motherland.”
Nowhere does the Catechism mention a "Pan-African flag." In fact it seems the name "Pan-African flag" is a revisionist neologism in that the history of the flag up until recent years has never used such a term to the Red, Black and Green.
The article Pan-African colours presents a diametrically opposed view of the subject to this article. It indicates Red Black and Green are NOT the Pan-African colors.
Powered by the Human Spirit Mhotep ( talk) 01:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Newslinger talk 06:26, 6 July 2019 (UTC)