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Seeing the ongoing construction work at least once or twice a week tells me the Expo Line will be following the more northerly route of the historic right-of-way. I keep abreast of Metro's projects and very much doubt there are plans for a loop via Venice and Overland. I think the inset picture showing this should be removed, but I'd like to hear some feedback on this before doing so. Pithecanthropus4152 ( talk) 01:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Palms is also noted for having a large number of South Asian residents, and contains a number of Indian and Pakistani restaurants and one of the few Shia mosques in Los Angeles County.
I'm just wondering what source was used for the census figures and what were the boundaries. Do the figures include Westside Village?
Is this Shia mosque the same one that is at the Iman Center? If so, the two facts should be combined.
The tax base cultivation rezoning of the 1960s is quite familiar to the Westside natives and USC planning faculty with whom I've spoken. The easiest article to find on a related matter is here. Essentially, the assessment formula was changed such that property tax was based on the value of the land given the underlying zoning, rather than the value of improvements. Bump a parcel up from R1.5 to R3, and all of the sudden you can take a whole hell of a lot more tax from a property. This happened all over Los Angeles and in some of its suburbs in the '60s.-- Slightlyslack 06:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
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In editing this page about a year or so ago I maintained the reference to the Snoop Dogg episode that came from an early version, not wanting to cut out any facts relating to Palms, no matter how sordid. Nevertheless, I agree that the reference strays from the topic of the article and, unless there is objection, I will omit it in approximately one week. GeorgeLouis 19:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Some recent edits are questionable, and I am either reverting them or changing them. They particularly refer to census figures; no sources are given for the edits. In particular, the census usually gives figures for Caucasians, which may also include white Hispanics. Without a source, the edits can be challenged and removed. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 07:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to add this information if it can be pinned to a good source. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 23:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess we have to go with the U.S. Census, which is strict about the way that ethnic groups are identified. See Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census#Ethnicity. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 14:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
How is it possible for Palms to be the oldest neighborhood of Los Angeles? The Historic Core and Plaza neighborhood have to be older. Pithecanthropus ( talk) 06:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention Chippendales. It was said to have been the first male strip club in the Los Angeles area. It opened around 1978. The building used to be a disco called "Destiny Two". Chippendales was located on Overland Avenue and McCune, close to Venice Boulevard. In 1979, it would be packed with women. I recall groups of women angd girls waiting outside to get in. The article needs to mention Chippendales. jeanne ( talk) 12:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if the Barbacan is actually there now. I will take a look. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 07:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Would Robertson Blvd. count as a Major Thoroughfare. According to the neighborhood boundaries Palms does go to Robertson Blvd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.89.42 ( talk) 03:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Los Angeles and Independence Railroad maps show the depot in the area (from 1875) was called "Bay View Station" prior to 1886. Also, this article mentions the area was called Ballona. So it seems sometime prior to 1886, some developers planted a large stand of palm trees near the depot. It seems conceivable that people on the line started asking to stop at "the palms" as they were probably the tallest thing in the area at that time and prominent. The station name was changed to "The Palms" on maps after 1886 and continued to be that name through conversion to trolleys around 1908 and the closure of the PE line in 1953.
On maps of the area (even the ones cited here) the area is named "The Palms." When did it become simply "Palms"? Lexlex ( talk) 04:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I added a mention of this late 19th Century to early 20th Century hotel, but despite extensively poring over available city directories, guidebooks, newspaper databases and other contemporaneous materials, I have found absolutely nil on its precise location. Sources of the day tell us merely that it was in Palms and leave it at that; presumably, a century ago, it was expected that it would somehow be obvious to arriving visitors, or perhaps they would ask the station agent. Articles in the L.A. Times suggest that it was a substantial brick building of more than one story, and was large enough that ground-floor space could be rented out to business tenants. One would assume that it must have stood somewhere near the intersection of National and Motor, then as now the main commercial district. However, on the 1910 Sanborn map of the area, I find no building large enough to be a hotel much less an explicit mention of one. Judging from how often the hotels of the day boasted that they were "ABSOLUTELY FIREPROOF", we can probably conclude that in actuality they were notorious firetraps. And this makes it all the stranger it's not on the Sanborn map, which existed to document fire risks for insurance underwriters.
If anyone can provide more information than this please let us know. Pithecanthropus4152 ( talk) 06:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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Seeing the ongoing construction work at least once or twice a week tells me the Expo Line will be following the more northerly route of the historic right-of-way. I keep abreast of Metro's projects and very much doubt there are plans for a loop via Venice and Overland. I think the inset picture showing this should be removed, but I'd like to hear some feedback on this before doing so. Pithecanthropus4152 ( talk) 01:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Palms is also noted for having a large number of South Asian residents, and contains a number of Indian and Pakistani restaurants and one of the few Shia mosques in Los Angeles County.
I'm just wondering what source was used for the census figures and what were the boundaries. Do the figures include Westside Village?
Is this Shia mosque the same one that is at the Iman Center? If so, the two facts should be combined.
The tax base cultivation rezoning of the 1960s is quite familiar to the Westside natives and USC planning faculty with whom I've spoken. The easiest article to find on a related matter is here. Essentially, the assessment formula was changed such that property tax was based on the value of the land given the underlying zoning, rather than the value of improvements. Bump a parcel up from R1.5 to R3, and all of the sudden you can take a whole hell of a lot more tax from a property. This happened all over Los Angeles and in some of its suburbs in the '60s.-- Slightlyslack 06:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
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maru (talk) contribs 05:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
In editing this page about a year or so ago I maintained the reference to the Snoop Dogg episode that came from an early version, not wanting to cut out any facts relating to Palms, no matter how sordid. Nevertheless, I agree that the reference strays from the topic of the article and, unless there is objection, I will omit it in approximately one week. GeorgeLouis 19:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Some recent edits are questionable, and I am either reverting them or changing them. They particularly refer to census figures; no sources are given for the edits. In particular, the census usually gives figures for Caucasians, which may also include white Hispanics. Without a source, the edits can be challenged and removed. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 07:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to add this information if it can be pinned to a good source. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 23:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess we have to go with the U.S. Census, which is strict about the way that ethnic groups are identified. See Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census#Ethnicity. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 14:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
How is it possible for Palms to be the oldest neighborhood of Los Angeles? The Historic Core and Plaza neighborhood have to be older. Pithecanthropus ( talk) 06:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention Chippendales. It was said to have been the first male strip club in the Los Angeles area. It opened around 1978. The building used to be a disco called "Destiny Two". Chippendales was located on Overland Avenue and McCune, close to Venice Boulevard. In 1979, it would be packed with women. I recall groups of women angd girls waiting outside to get in. The article needs to mention Chippendales. jeanne ( talk) 12:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if the Barbacan is actually there now. I will take a look. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 07:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Would Robertson Blvd. count as a Major Thoroughfare. According to the neighborhood boundaries Palms does go to Robertson Blvd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.89.42 ( talk) 03:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Los Angeles and Independence Railroad maps show the depot in the area (from 1875) was called "Bay View Station" prior to 1886. Also, this article mentions the area was called Ballona. So it seems sometime prior to 1886, some developers planted a large stand of palm trees near the depot. It seems conceivable that people on the line started asking to stop at "the palms" as they were probably the tallest thing in the area at that time and prominent. The station name was changed to "The Palms" on maps after 1886 and continued to be that name through conversion to trolleys around 1908 and the closure of the PE line in 1953.
On maps of the area (even the ones cited here) the area is named "The Palms." When did it become simply "Palms"? Lexlex ( talk) 04:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I added a mention of this late 19th Century to early 20th Century hotel, but despite extensively poring over available city directories, guidebooks, newspaper databases and other contemporaneous materials, I have found absolutely nil on its precise location. Sources of the day tell us merely that it was in Palms and leave it at that; presumably, a century ago, it was expected that it would somehow be obvious to arriving visitors, or perhaps they would ask the station agent. Articles in the L.A. Times suggest that it was a substantial brick building of more than one story, and was large enough that ground-floor space could be rented out to business tenants. One would assume that it must have stood somewhere near the intersection of National and Motor, then as now the main commercial district. However, on the 1910 Sanborn map of the area, I find no building large enough to be a hotel much less an explicit mention of one. Judging from how often the hotels of the day boasted that they were "ABSOLUTELY FIREPROOF", we can probably conclude that in actuality they were notorious firetraps. And this makes it all the stranger it's not on the Sanborn map, which existed to document fire risks for insurance underwriters.
If anyone can provide more information than this please let us know. Pithecanthropus4152 ( talk) 06:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)