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The link for the word radical goes to the article extremist, even though there are articles about radicals. The terms are not identical, and misuse of this sort is both sloppy and perjorative. If the correct article to use is extremist, then the linking word should say extremist. If the correct word to use is radical, then the link should go to one of the definitions of radical. Richard Myers 19:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You've just replied to someone's 2007 comment about text that does not appear in this WP entry about links to WP entries as of 2007. There is no link in this entry to the WP entry for extremist. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 14:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a POV tag to this article. The article is heavily biased in favor of Palmer and his actions, and does not reflect the consensus among current historians that the Palmer Raids were a grotesque violation of civil rights and proper legal procedure. It also does not report on how public opinion soon turned against the raids or how Palmer was widely ridiculed after his prediction of a "revolution" on May 1, 1920 didn't materialize.
The article's most egregious paragraph was the one that opined that the raids "may have forestalled reactionary violence by the public." In fact, most current historians would probably say that Palmer's public vigilanteism and Red-scare bigotry encouraged incidents like the lynching of the IWW member that this paragraph described. I've removed this paragraph as unsourced, WP:Original research and WP:POV.
I don't know if I'll find time to research and correct this article myself, but in the meantime, until and unless someone else fixes it, the POV tag is called for. RedSpruce 18:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed: needs more citations and to show that most historians now regard the Palmer raids as illegal and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.113.16 ( talk) 09:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Here are some questionable parts: "The violent anarchist bombing campaign continued intermittently for another twelve years." -- it seems redundant to say that bombing is violent and as far as I can tell it's just used as a POV-based intensifier.
"Anarchist bombings in April and June 1919 carried out by Galleanists, Italian anarchists and followers of the radical anarchist Luigi Galleani, meant the threat was real." -- "radical anarchist" is redundant and suggests POV if the use of "radical" is intended as an intensifier. "The threat was real" also seems to be an attempt to justify the raids without the source asserting anything of the kind (it just backs up the report of the Galleanists' activities). Julius177 ( talk) 16:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
These terms are not one and the same. Anarchist broken down is one that believes in a society in which there is no institution governed over, ruled over or controlled by a small group of individuals. This article seems like it could very easily lead a more naive reader into believing that socialists and anarchists are one and the same, but in reality a socialist system is run by an aristocracy as with all other forms of government. I think the writing should be altered so that this is not so mis-leading. After all, though anarchists did participate in the Russian revolution, they were not involved in the creation of the new government structures, and were actually pretty outspoken against them. Good examples can be found if you read much about Peter Kropotkin.
—Preceding comment added by the Blind God Io 21:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
amen brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.31.197 ( talk) 22:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
This article makes it sound like Palmer is some kind of hero because he arrested a great number of people, however I believe that in that arrest here didn't accomplish much but wasting every bodies time. That he stated openly that a revolution was certain to take place and one did not I think he proved how accurate all his data was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.199.135 ( talk) 10:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
It states that a judge ended the raids in June of 1920. He didn't end the raids when the raids ended in January of 1920. They just stopped because the raids were so successful ( 68.195.102.206 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)JS 68.195.102.206 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
Now it says 1921? Did the raids end in June of 1920? this article is written badly. —Preceding
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68.195.102.206 (
talk)
22:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 23:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
In the interest of completeness this article should say specifically where these raids took place and how many were arrested in each place. "30 cities" etc. tells us very little. A geographic dimension is required to see what the DOJ, Palmer and Hoover were thinking. Where were the hotbeds of communism in this country post WWI? How were these raids coordinated?
I agree with the the commenter above about civil liberties. The effects of the Palmer raids on individuals should be discussed too just as they were in the McCarthy era that destroyed so many lives.
BTW, what the heck are those first comments on databases doing here. As an answer to one comment, the term "data bank" was used before "database". That must be some article on databases. Uh, "Prehistoric Databases Found on the Moon". I think I'll stay away from that one. Dangnad ( talk) 02:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The references in this article need to be revised to reflect correct guidelines. For example, the first reference is an ibid and is listed only as "Kennedy p. 24" with no contextual clarification. I will try to review the article history to correct this but if that is not possible such references must be replaced/removed, unfortunately. 76.111.244.85 ( talk) 13:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
"Race riots" seems the wrong term for occurrences like the pogrom in which whites burned down the black section of Tulsa, Oklahoma, during this period.
"Race riots" is a well-tuned phrase for the vilification of poor black rioting, usually after outrages carried out by whites, during the turmoil of the 1960's.
Can't we come up with something to vilify the Klan with equal, though in its case more appropriate, obloquy forty years earlier? Massive arson and murder, and the more than occasional lynching, are not exactly riots; and if "race" is the accepted code word for "black," what are we to say about massive white offenses?
This is important because most of the public are unaware of the fact that Jim Crow is a creation of the 20th century, not a remnant from Reconstruction and the KKK obstruction of it.
A fix might be difficult.
Would it not be incorrect to call an outrage "racist," were racism a mere incidental to social upheaval motivated by Chambers of Commerce and newspaper proprietors acting from pure, self-interested, and presumably race-neutral, motives, e.g. fear of workers organizing to protect their rights?
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The article states:
The link for the word radical goes to the article extremist, even though there are articles about radicals. The terms are not identical, and misuse of this sort is both sloppy and perjorative. If the correct article to use is extremist, then the linking word should say extremist. If the correct word to use is radical, then the link should go to one of the definitions of radical. Richard Myers 19:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You've just replied to someone's 2007 comment about text that does not appear in this WP entry about links to WP entries as of 2007. There is no link in this entry to the WP entry for extremist. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 14:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a POV tag to this article. The article is heavily biased in favor of Palmer and his actions, and does not reflect the consensus among current historians that the Palmer Raids were a grotesque violation of civil rights and proper legal procedure. It also does not report on how public opinion soon turned against the raids or how Palmer was widely ridiculed after his prediction of a "revolution" on May 1, 1920 didn't materialize.
The article's most egregious paragraph was the one that opined that the raids "may have forestalled reactionary violence by the public." In fact, most current historians would probably say that Palmer's public vigilanteism and Red-scare bigotry encouraged incidents like the lynching of the IWW member that this paragraph described. I've removed this paragraph as unsourced, WP:Original research and WP:POV.
I don't know if I'll find time to research and correct this article myself, but in the meantime, until and unless someone else fixes it, the POV tag is called for. RedSpruce 18:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed: needs more citations and to show that most historians now regard the Palmer raids as illegal and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.113.16 ( talk) 09:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Here are some questionable parts: "The violent anarchist bombing campaign continued intermittently for another twelve years." -- it seems redundant to say that bombing is violent and as far as I can tell it's just used as a POV-based intensifier.
"Anarchist bombings in April and June 1919 carried out by Galleanists, Italian anarchists and followers of the radical anarchist Luigi Galleani, meant the threat was real." -- "radical anarchist" is redundant and suggests POV if the use of "radical" is intended as an intensifier. "The threat was real" also seems to be an attempt to justify the raids without the source asserting anything of the kind (it just backs up the report of the Galleanists' activities). Julius177 ( talk) 16:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
These terms are not one and the same. Anarchist broken down is one that believes in a society in which there is no institution governed over, ruled over or controlled by a small group of individuals. This article seems like it could very easily lead a more naive reader into believing that socialists and anarchists are one and the same, but in reality a socialist system is run by an aristocracy as with all other forms of government. I think the writing should be altered so that this is not so mis-leading. After all, though anarchists did participate in the Russian revolution, they were not involved in the creation of the new government structures, and were actually pretty outspoken against them. Good examples can be found if you read much about Peter Kropotkin.
—Preceding comment added by the Blind God Io 21:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
amen brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.31.197 ( talk) 22:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
This article makes it sound like Palmer is some kind of hero because he arrested a great number of people, however I believe that in that arrest here didn't accomplish much but wasting every bodies time. That he stated openly that a revolution was certain to take place and one did not I think he proved how accurate all his data was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.199.135 ( talk) 10:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
It states that a judge ended the raids in June of 1920. He didn't end the raids when the raids ended in January of 1920. They just stopped because the raids were so successful ( 68.195.102.206 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)JS 68.195.102.206 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC))
Now it says 1921? Did the raids end in June of 1920? this article is written badly. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
68.195.102.206 (
talk)
22:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 23:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
In the interest of completeness this article should say specifically where these raids took place and how many were arrested in each place. "30 cities" etc. tells us very little. A geographic dimension is required to see what the DOJ, Palmer and Hoover were thinking. Where were the hotbeds of communism in this country post WWI? How were these raids coordinated?
I agree with the the commenter above about civil liberties. The effects of the Palmer raids on individuals should be discussed too just as they were in the McCarthy era that destroyed so many lives.
BTW, what the heck are those first comments on databases doing here. As an answer to one comment, the term "data bank" was used before "database". That must be some article on databases. Uh, "Prehistoric Databases Found on the Moon". I think I'll stay away from that one. Dangnad ( talk) 02:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The references in this article need to be revised to reflect correct guidelines. For example, the first reference is an ibid and is listed only as "Kennedy p. 24" with no contextual clarification. I will try to review the article history to correct this but if that is not possible such references must be replaced/removed, unfortunately. 76.111.244.85 ( talk) 13:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
"Race riots" seems the wrong term for occurrences like the pogrom in which whites burned down the black section of Tulsa, Oklahoma, during this period.
"Race riots" is a well-tuned phrase for the vilification of poor black rioting, usually after outrages carried out by whites, during the turmoil of the 1960's.
Can't we come up with something to vilify the Klan with equal, though in its case more appropriate, obloquy forty years earlier? Massive arson and murder, and the more than occasional lynching, are not exactly riots; and if "race" is the accepted code word for "black," what are we to say about massive white offenses?
This is important because most of the public are unaware of the fact that Jim Crow is a creation of the 20th century, not a remnant from Reconstruction and the KKK obstruction of it.
A fix might be difficult.
Would it not be incorrect to call an outrage "racist," were racism a mere incidental to social upheaval motivated by Chambers of Commerce and newspaper proprietors acting from pure, self-interested, and presumably race-neutral, motives, e.g. fear of workers organizing to protect their rights?