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I am thinking of making some major edits to this page, probably a complete re-write, if anybody has any views, objection, or suggestions - I would love to hear from them Giano 11:59, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I am thinking perhaps this page now needs to be moved to, say, Palladian Architecture with palladian as a divert page, anyone have a view one way or the other on this? Giano 14:33, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Moved page, to a title which is a noun rather than adjective, also palladian alone seemed rather abstract, Palladian Architecture is more definite and concrete Giano 11:37, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
does anyone manage this page? can I re-write it? I study palladian architecture and this article is neither concise, accurate nor complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.59.100 ( talk) 12:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I also suggest that before you charge in and slash and burn your way through this article that you register as an editor - not required but if nothing else it is a courtsey to other editors who might wish to chat with you elsewhere - and that you note that this article has been fairly heavily edited for 5 years and sort of keep that in mind. In any case I'm looking forward to whatever you are about to do. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 15:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
When I learned my art history, I was taught by the Janson and Janson book that the #1 example of Palladianism outside of those buildings made by Palladio himself was the work of Inigo Jones, and, in particular, the Houses of Parliament in London. Whether the Jansons were right or not, a whole bunch of folks will have learned the same thing, so it might be good to mention Jones and the Parliament buildings. The point was that English Palladianism had only about a 10 year run, then the Baroque broke out, and then Palladianism came back around the 30's. Just a thought. Geogre 01:29, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It seems a pity to distract this important and handsome article with a minor disambiguation at the head! If the fact that Palladian redirects here is the reason the stub Palladian window needs to be mentioned so conspicuously, I think it better to have Palladian redirect to Palladian window, with the disambiguation at the head of that. I have so edited.-- Bishonen 23:41, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have never heard the term 'The Palladian' without a qualifying noun following it, in fact 'The Palladian' sounds rather like a nightclub, gaming house or bidet. Perhaps this is not the case in USA, but in Europe (home of palladianism) it is always qualified by a noun. I have mentioned to Doops that I thought the window page should perhaps be incorporated, but he felt this important feature should remain seperate, which I am happy for that page to be, if he feels so. I have, however, written a few words on the main page on this important subject, and those few words contain a link to Doops page, for people seeking further information. I think perhaps palladian should link to Palladian Architecture as in many many articles 'palladian' as an adjective followed by a noun (eg Church, mansion or whatever)refers to palladian architecture.
Perhaps the page needs to be moved to Palladianism, ideally perhaps it wants to be part of a larger page with Palladio, but Wikepedia frowns on long and informative pages! Which Palladio would become if this page were added; especially as there is a long way to go yet, the page has only mentioned Italian and English Palladianism, barely touched on American and Irish, and we half of europe left. Giano 15:01, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Some matters:
More as I find them. Geogre 01:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The opening was misleading in a number of ways. Firstly the Palladian style did not 'spread' over the Veneto and the rest of Europe until it reached Britain and Ireland. The 'Palladian' movement is a specifically British style that was derived from an interpretation of Palladio's books, not from the geographical spread of a building style.
For this reason I think the expression 'true Palladian' is inappropriate. When used here it seems to mean Palladio's own work. However the term 'Palladian architecture' (usually pronounced with a long 'a' in the middle, unlike the architect's own name) specifically refers to the English style that spread to other countries that were controlled or influenced by Britain. The content of the article actually makes this clear, but the introduction does not.
Self-evidently, if Palladianism refers to a style inspired by Pallido, true Palladians cannot refer to the works of theat man, unless you wish to agrue that he was inspired by himself. True Palladianism means those buildings that adhered most closely to Palladio's style. And Palladianism is not an insular British development at all, neither did it spring up on that island ex nihilo. The means by which this building style arrived in Britain need to be discussed in the article.
Filiocht 09:17, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am trying to put together a short article on "Tutte l'opere d'architettura et prospetiva" so that we do not have that ugly broken link in the middle of this article. So far I have found very little on it, either on Wikipedia or Google. If anyone has any information on it, so that it is not just an unnattractive little stub, then do pop on over to the new article page that I am setting up. Polocrunch 16:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I eliminated the assertion that Palladio's buildings are "rare". Actually, they've survived pretty well. I substituted "Venice and the Veneto" for "Italy" which seemed unnecessarily broad. -- Wetman 13:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Not understanding the difference between Classical and Neoclassiocal produces text like this:
This passage doesn't characterize the subject in terms that make the reader see Palladian architecture ("casual style"), and it seems to be innocent of any basic art history reading. Even a careful reading of the relevant Wikipedia articles and links would help here, though Classical architecture badly needs overhauling. -- Wetman 11:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this from the main article:
"Another excellent North American example of Palladian architecture is the Saunders-Hall-Goode Mansion. This impressive structure is located just north of Town Creek, Alabama. The mansion was placed on the National Registry of Historic Places in 1974. The home was built by Rev. Turner Saunders (Sanders) on property purchased in 1833"
Because it is not a very good example of American palladianism, the central entrance is offset, the wings are given too much prominence by ostentatious pediments, if they are to have pediments they should be linked to the house by colonnades or lower segmented wings in short it is a pastiche by an unaccomplished architect, or it has been drastically altered. America has far better examples.
Secondly, the page is about Palladianism in general, and cannot become too orientated on one particular country. Perhaps the time has come for a separate page on the Palladian architecture of North America Giano | talk 21:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
has sort of messed with the later statement that there are only two Pre-American Revolution Palladian building. However I am reluctent to mess with that paragraph yet because . . . . . . . ..... it's so well written. However both Reed (who I added to the References) and and Roth [in A Concise History of American Architecture - which i did not add] mention the Four Books origins of Harrison's library. So . . . ..... ? Carptrash 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Though these websites are not up to the standards demanded by some Wikipedians, they offer official capsule history of the two houses and their occupants. Part of judging the high quality of this article is in comparing it to relevant official sites. One deletes a reference and the next comes along and demands it. -- Wetman 00:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
and since my time on wikipedia is now very limited, I won't, but the Philip Johnson quote from the Lewis, O'Connor book is on page 170. Carptrash 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
One editor removed two paragraphs about Palladianism in N America, after another flagged them as lacking citations. The prose in these paras could also have been better. Please reinstate any parts for which you can provide citations. -- Philcha ( talk) 05:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Does the Isaac Meason House get coverage in general sources? Historic preservation documentation that I've seen, including the sources currently in the article, speak of it as a premier example of American Palladianism, but I'm loth to mention it in this general article unless it should be considered highly representative of the style as a whole. Nyttend ( talk) 04:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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Johnbod, I think the article should probably have a section on Palladianism in Russia. This would need to cover Giacomo Quarenghi and Charles Cameron and their relationship with Catherine the Great as well as Nikolay Lvov's translation into Russian of Palladio's first book (1798). There was an exhibit at the Correr back in 2014. Venicescapes ( talk) 05:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm reviewing this one for WP:URFA/2020. It's a holdover from the days before inline citations were as common, and needs a touchup to add inline citations per WP:WTC. Things like "The term "Palladian" today is often misused, and tends to describe a building with any classical pretensions" or "It is perhaps the only Palladian house in Ireland to have been built with Palladio's mathematical ratios, and one of the three Irish mansions which claim to have inspired the design of the White House in Washington." and quite a few other passages don't really fall under subject-specific common knowledge, or are making claims that certain things are possible, and need cited inline. Hopefully a featured article review can be avoided. Hog Farm Talk 01:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated this article for WP:FAR. I invite all interested editors to join the discussion by clicking on this link. Thanks! Z1720 ( talk) 13:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
As per Johnbod’s suggestion:
SandyGeorgia - Good to see that Country Life is following our lead with a front cover article on Palladianism! [1] KJP1 ( talk) 16:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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I am thinking of making some major edits to this page, probably a complete re-write, if anybody has any views, objection, or suggestions - I would love to hear from them Giano 11:59, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I am thinking perhaps this page now needs to be moved to, say, Palladian Architecture with palladian as a divert page, anyone have a view one way or the other on this? Giano 14:33, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Moved page, to a title which is a noun rather than adjective, also palladian alone seemed rather abstract, Palladian Architecture is more definite and concrete Giano 11:37, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
does anyone manage this page? can I re-write it? I study palladian architecture and this article is neither concise, accurate nor complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.59.100 ( talk) 12:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I also suggest that before you charge in and slash and burn your way through this article that you register as an editor - not required but if nothing else it is a courtsey to other editors who might wish to chat with you elsewhere - and that you note that this article has been fairly heavily edited for 5 years and sort of keep that in mind. In any case I'm looking forward to whatever you are about to do. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 15:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
When I learned my art history, I was taught by the Janson and Janson book that the #1 example of Palladianism outside of those buildings made by Palladio himself was the work of Inigo Jones, and, in particular, the Houses of Parliament in London. Whether the Jansons were right or not, a whole bunch of folks will have learned the same thing, so it might be good to mention Jones and the Parliament buildings. The point was that English Palladianism had only about a 10 year run, then the Baroque broke out, and then Palladianism came back around the 30's. Just a thought. Geogre 01:29, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It seems a pity to distract this important and handsome article with a minor disambiguation at the head! If the fact that Palladian redirects here is the reason the stub Palladian window needs to be mentioned so conspicuously, I think it better to have Palladian redirect to Palladian window, with the disambiguation at the head of that. I have so edited.-- Bishonen 23:41, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have never heard the term 'The Palladian' without a qualifying noun following it, in fact 'The Palladian' sounds rather like a nightclub, gaming house or bidet. Perhaps this is not the case in USA, but in Europe (home of palladianism) it is always qualified by a noun. I have mentioned to Doops that I thought the window page should perhaps be incorporated, but he felt this important feature should remain seperate, which I am happy for that page to be, if he feels so. I have, however, written a few words on the main page on this important subject, and those few words contain a link to Doops page, for people seeking further information. I think perhaps palladian should link to Palladian Architecture as in many many articles 'palladian' as an adjective followed by a noun (eg Church, mansion or whatever)refers to palladian architecture.
Perhaps the page needs to be moved to Palladianism, ideally perhaps it wants to be part of a larger page with Palladio, but Wikepedia frowns on long and informative pages! Which Palladio would become if this page were added; especially as there is a long way to go yet, the page has only mentioned Italian and English Palladianism, barely touched on American and Irish, and we half of europe left. Giano 15:01, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Some matters:
More as I find them. Geogre 01:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The opening was misleading in a number of ways. Firstly the Palladian style did not 'spread' over the Veneto and the rest of Europe until it reached Britain and Ireland. The 'Palladian' movement is a specifically British style that was derived from an interpretation of Palladio's books, not from the geographical spread of a building style.
For this reason I think the expression 'true Palladian' is inappropriate. When used here it seems to mean Palladio's own work. However the term 'Palladian architecture' (usually pronounced with a long 'a' in the middle, unlike the architect's own name) specifically refers to the English style that spread to other countries that were controlled or influenced by Britain. The content of the article actually makes this clear, but the introduction does not.
Self-evidently, if Palladianism refers to a style inspired by Pallido, true Palladians cannot refer to the works of theat man, unless you wish to agrue that he was inspired by himself. True Palladianism means those buildings that adhered most closely to Palladio's style. And Palladianism is not an insular British development at all, neither did it spring up on that island ex nihilo. The means by which this building style arrived in Britain need to be discussed in the article.
Filiocht 09:17, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am trying to put together a short article on "Tutte l'opere d'architettura et prospetiva" so that we do not have that ugly broken link in the middle of this article. So far I have found very little on it, either on Wikipedia or Google. If anyone has any information on it, so that it is not just an unnattractive little stub, then do pop on over to the new article page that I am setting up. Polocrunch 16:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I eliminated the assertion that Palladio's buildings are "rare". Actually, they've survived pretty well. I substituted "Venice and the Veneto" for "Italy" which seemed unnecessarily broad. -- Wetman 13:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Not understanding the difference between Classical and Neoclassiocal produces text like this:
This passage doesn't characterize the subject in terms that make the reader see Palladian architecture ("casual style"), and it seems to be innocent of any basic art history reading. Even a careful reading of the relevant Wikipedia articles and links would help here, though Classical architecture badly needs overhauling. -- Wetman 11:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this from the main article:
"Another excellent North American example of Palladian architecture is the Saunders-Hall-Goode Mansion. This impressive structure is located just north of Town Creek, Alabama. The mansion was placed on the National Registry of Historic Places in 1974. The home was built by Rev. Turner Saunders (Sanders) on property purchased in 1833"
Because it is not a very good example of American palladianism, the central entrance is offset, the wings are given too much prominence by ostentatious pediments, if they are to have pediments they should be linked to the house by colonnades or lower segmented wings in short it is a pastiche by an unaccomplished architect, or it has been drastically altered. America has far better examples.
Secondly, the page is about Palladianism in general, and cannot become too orientated on one particular country. Perhaps the time has come for a separate page on the Palladian architecture of North America Giano | talk 21:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
has sort of messed with the later statement that there are only two Pre-American Revolution Palladian building. However I am reluctent to mess with that paragraph yet because . . . . . . . ..... it's so well written. However both Reed (who I added to the References) and and Roth [in A Concise History of American Architecture - which i did not add] mention the Four Books origins of Harrison's library. So . . . ..... ? Carptrash 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Though these websites are not up to the standards demanded by some Wikipedians, they offer official capsule history of the two houses and their occupants. Part of judging the high quality of this article is in comparing it to relevant official sites. One deletes a reference and the next comes along and demands it. -- Wetman 00:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
and since my time on wikipedia is now very limited, I won't, but the Philip Johnson quote from the Lewis, O'Connor book is on page 170. Carptrash 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
One editor removed two paragraphs about Palladianism in N America, after another flagged them as lacking citations. The prose in these paras could also have been better. Please reinstate any parts for which you can provide citations. -- Philcha ( talk) 05:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Does the Isaac Meason House get coverage in general sources? Historic preservation documentation that I've seen, including the sources currently in the article, speak of it as a premier example of American Palladianism, but I'm loth to mention it in this general article unless it should be considered highly representative of the style as a whole. Nyttend ( talk) 04:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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Johnbod, I think the article should probably have a section on Palladianism in Russia. This would need to cover Giacomo Quarenghi and Charles Cameron and their relationship with Catherine the Great as well as Nikolay Lvov's translation into Russian of Palladio's first book (1798). There was an exhibit at the Correr back in 2014. Venicescapes ( talk) 05:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm reviewing this one for WP:URFA/2020. It's a holdover from the days before inline citations were as common, and needs a touchup to add inline citations per WP:WTC. Things like "The term "Palladian" today is often misused, and tends to describe a building with any classical pretensions" or "It is perhaps the only Palladian house in Ireland to have been built with Palladio's mathematical ratios, and one of the three Irish mansions which claim to have inspired the design of the White House in Washington." and quite a few other passages don't really fall under subject-specific common knowledge, or are making claims that certain things are possible, and need cited inline. Hopefully a featured article review can be avoided. Hog Farm Talk 01:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated this article for WP:FAR. I invite all interested editors to join the discussion by clicking on this link. Thanks! Z1720 ( talk) 13:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
As per Johnbod’s suggestion:
SandyGeorgia - Good to see that Country Life is following our lead with a front cover article on Palladianism! [1] KJP1 ( talk) 16:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)