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Palantír → Palantir – This was inspired by a comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#Category:Redirects_to_Sindarin-language_terms, pointing out that this page title is in Sindarin, and since both spellings seem to be used, even occassionally in the books, it seems to make sense that this should be at the more recognizable English title, without the diacritic. Hog Farm Bacon 15:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Palantir. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 21#Palantir until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Tolkien's Elvish language(s) transcribed into "Common" or otherwise followed the grammatical rules of Classical Latin concerning "syllable weight." Therefore, the proper pronunciation transcription of "palantír" would be /paˈlanˌtiːɹ/ Bladesinger46n2 ( talk) 00:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Thankyou. That sounds very plausible but we'd need a reliable source so that other editors can verify the pronunciation. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 04:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Why do we care what Paul Kocher, Joseph Pearce, Tom Shippey or anyone else thinks about this? Speculation by anyone not named J.R.R. Tolkien shouldn't be part of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.235.4 ( talk) 17:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
The opening paragraph claims that the palantíri could be used to see "whether past or future." But I'm not able to find any source for that. Could anyone confirm if this actually come from Tolkien, please? Thanks! RR ( talk) 05:52, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
A palantír (/pæˈlænˌtɪər/; in-universe pl. palantíri) is one of several indestructible crystal balls from J. R. R. Tolkien's epic-fantasy novel The Lord of the Rings.
By the time of The Lord of the Rings at the end of the Third Age, a few palantíri remained in existence.
I thought the first quote says they're "indestructible". LOL Cloudswrest ( talk) 16:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
It's fine and appropriate that we list the in-universe plural at the top of the article, but it's not fine that we use it. The plural form in English ends in -s, and for English Wikipedia that's what we should use. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 10:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I see I meant filicide, though I did not notice that it was a Shippley list, as opposed to a general one, so I can't quibble on the first two bones of contention, but it does matter, as the result of the deception would have rid Gondor of Faramir as well, ending the line of the Stewards in Gondor. Halbared ( talk) 19:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Has anyone (other than me) suggested that Tolkien might have been inspired by H. G. Wells's 1897 short story " The Crystal Egg"? Narky Blert ( talk) 19:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Palantír has been listed as one of the
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It was proposed in this section that
Palantír be
renamed and moved to
Palantir.
result: This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
Palantír → Palantir – This was inspired by a comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#Category:Redirects_to_Sindarin-language_terms, pointing out that this page title is in Sindarin, and since both spellings seem to be used, even occassionally in the books, it seems to make sense that this should be at the more recognizable English title, without the diacritic. Hog Farm Bacon 15:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Palantir. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 21#Palantir until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Tolkien's Elvish language(s) transcribed into "Common" or otherwise followed the grammatical rules of Classical Latin concerning "syllable weight." Therefore, the proper pronunciation transcription of "palantír" would be /paˈlanˌtiːɹ/ Bladesinger46n2 ( talk) 00:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Thankyou. That sounds very plausible but we'd need a reliable source so that other editors can verify the pronunciation. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 04:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Why do we care what Paul Kocher, Joseph Pearce, Tom Shippey or anyone else thinks about this? Speculation by anyone not named J.R.R. Tolkien shouldn't be part of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.235.4 ( talk) 17:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
The opening paragraph claims that the palantíri could be used to see "whether past or future." But I'm not able to find any source for that. Could anyone confirm if this actually come from Tolkien, please? Thanks! RR ( talk) 05:52, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
A palantír (/pæˈlænˌtɪər/; in-universe pl. palantíri) is one of several indestructible crystal balls from J. R. R. Tolkien's epic-fantasy novel The Lord of the Rings.
By the time of The Lord of the Rings at the end of the Third Age, a few palantíri remained in existence.
I thought the first quote says they're "indestructible". LOL Cloudswrest ( talk) 16:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
It's fine and appropriate that we list the in-universe plural at the top of the article, but it's not fine that we use it. The plural form in English ends in -s, and for English Wikipedia that's what we should use. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 10:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I see I meant filicide, though I did not notice that it was a Shippley list, as opposed to a general one, so I can't quibble on the first two bones of contention, but it does matter, as the result of the deception would have rid Gondor of Faramir as well, ending the line of the Stewards in Gondor. Halbared ( talk) 19:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Has anyone (other than me) suggested that Tolkien might have been inspired by H. G. Wells's 1897 short story " The Crystal Egg"? Narky Blert ( talk) 19:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)