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when colombians think of the seige, the image of the old palace of justice comes in mind. Do you think it would be better to change the main image on top to be the old palace of justice or the palace of justice during the attack instead of the new one? (since it already features at the end of the article) thank you Minako-Chan* ( talk) 19:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
There is an breath-taking picture on the cover of the book Colombia: Inside the Labyrinth, by Jenny Pearce showing tanks going into the Palace of justice. It was taken by a photographer, Julien Frydman who was working for a defunct photo organization, Sygma which was swallowed by Corbis.
A really poor, small, nearly indecipherable picture of the book is here.
Any ideas where I can find the picture? Travb 06:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I just watched World History of Organized Crime - Disc 2 (DVD). History Channel. 2002. Volume two contains "China," "India," and "Colombia."
The tape, an incredibly simplistic handling of a very complex situation in Colombia says:
"Just before noon on November 6th, 1985 at the Colombia Palace of Justice in downtown Bogata, guerillas hired by the [Medillin] Cartel seized more than 250 hostages."
Is this true? Did the [Medillin] Cartel hire M-19? This sounds dubious. Were there extradition files on M-19 also in this building, or just the Cartel? Travb 00:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
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Fourteen people 'disappeared" including eight members of the cafeteria staff, three casual visitors to the Palace and three guerrillas.
What does this mean? disappeared? Travb 00:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
corrected spelling and grammar Trelane 05:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Although you have to remember the truth is very hard to find and there are are least more disappeared people than the ones they mention. This is the case in various countries in South America, the truth right now is very limited to be trusted, maybe in some years a more verifiable truth can be found. -- MasK of ThE CARNIVAL 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The "missing" poster here (from the missing persons table) is confusing. The two persons at lower left cannot be matched to the list in the article. The lower left corner person is not certainly identifiable to sex (probably female). What can be made out from its name is a short word and a longer one, probably 3 letters in the first and 4 in the last. "Ana Rosa" (as in Ana Rosa Castilblanco) would be a reasonable match, "Irma Franco" (Pineda) seems less likely because of the 3 small dots after the initial capital letter of the second word. This leaves "Lucy Amparo Oviedo de Aria(?)s" on the poster unidentified.
IONO whether this poster is reliable as to names, but it contains more complete versions of some of the missing ones' names which could be put into the list. Dysmorodrepanis 03:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
This shows a photo of Castilblanco which very roughly agrees the lower left corner person on the photograph. It also lists "Lucy Amparo Oviedo" but does not list Pineda. Having just stumbled upon this event (which I can barely if at all remember hearing of in the news back then), my first guess is that there are actually 12 (now 11 - after Castilblanco's remains were ID'd) disappeared. Dysmorodrepanis 03:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Travb, I'm not 100% sure but...these two paragraphs are supposed to be from Carrigan's book, aren't they?
If so, then it maybe it should be presented as such a bit more clearly, especially the first paragraph (perhaps using " "s, I guess). Reading the article as an encyclopedia entry doesn't make it immediately clear (the [5] aside, there's a lack of " "s there), since the general style of the text does seem like the one employed by the author (Note to self: add some stuff on a couple of recent developments worth pointing out, sometime later in the day/week/month). Juancarlos2004 03:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thought you may be interested in this, it is facts, graphs I found about world oil production today:
http://bailey83221.livejournal.com/72068.html
thanks for all of your work. Travb 05:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
http://www.cromos.com.co/historico/2005-11-25/contenido_MI-3152.htm
2005-11-25
The OFFICE OF THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR WILL CALL TO DECLARE, 20 YEARS LATER, To EX- PRESIDENT BELISARIO BETANCUR BY The FACTS Of The JUSTICE PALACE. THE JOURNALIST ANA CARRIGAN ALREADY HAD TRIED TO JOIN THE PIECES.
its first trip to Colombia Ana Carrigan saw from a window, in street 37, how Bogota crumbled. He was 1948. April of 1948. Then, in the heat of horror of the Bogotazo, knew - with the incredulous eyes of an Earth girl of its mother and was enchanted right away by its familiar past. They spent the years and grew the sleepy illusion to return and to work in the country. And it obtained it in the middle of the 60. "Then I realized reality of Colombia and Latin America. Not it reality of my family, an elite ". Then, also, he fortified theParga-Corte's side of his blood, (Tolima) removed its Colombian roots in Dolores, and Rafael eeted again itself with his uncle.
The twin brother of his mother was a great influence in his life and a great inspiration in his work. An anxious, politically liberal until the marrow, academic and democratic man. In fact in his present literary project he follows the route of Rafael Courteous Parga. To traverse his he gives to an incisive glance to the violence of the 40 and the 50 him, where - according to the author one begins to understand history of Colombia.
Of a mere labor chance, Carrigan was in favor in Colombia in November of 1985. (it had arrived with the idea to roll a documentary one on gamines of Bogota when the headquarters of Colombian justice exploded in flames) That coincidence, years later, it finished turned a book with his documented version of one of the most non-uniform and chilling episodes of the country: the Palace of Justice.
In that occasion it remained 10 days and, with the fright of the very fresh happened thing, it ran to New York to propose history to him to a publisher who knew in the New York Times, for the dominical magazine of the newspaper. Already mentalizada to write a journalistic piece, it returned in May of 1986 to work in his investigation.
And that made with a great rigor to commemorate the first anniversary of the taking. But, when he was all ready one to print, they announced to him that the note would not be published because did not have the version of Belisario Betancur. She tried to explain that the President did not speak of the subject with anybody but was useless. She never published herself.
Then that unpublished writing began to him to weigh and it dedicated itself to look for one editorial to turn it book. After five years and a contract in its salary, returned to continue investigating in the happened thing and in 1993, with very good critics, it presented/displayed the Palace of Justice: a Colombian tragedy. But, for his surprise, never it was translated the Spanish. Its motivation to write on controversial subjects of the region (it also has a book on the conflict in El Salvador) is clear. "it makes sick to see to Me how the official versions of history are as much successful. Of all the problems that Colombia suffers today, for me, most serious - the one than allows and stimulates all evils is impunity, that in the last 20 years has arrived at a grotesca dimension ". S or book has a deep historical value, although it is first in recognizing that she has his faults. "I frankly regret not to have looked for thorough more the participation of the Mafia. I believed what they had considered the courts. Today I cannot think that the M-19 took the Palace without financial aid. I do not believe that the Mafia had paid to the M-19 so that it killed the judges. I think that the motivation was, probably, to destroy the files ".
In Colombia nobody is responsible. Nobody admits its errors, nobody in the power never requests pardon.
In the Spanish practitioner who learned of girl and who still conserves, it speaks from England without it fails the memory to him of the desperate shout of Alfonso Kings EchandÃa. Of the necessity of the Commission of the Truth, the tortured ones in the School of Cavalry, of the Aryan disappear, Jesus Cabrales, Andrés Almarales...
Fundamentally the thesis of my book is simple. Part of which the democracy in Colombia is a false democracy, cradle in lies and masks, behind which the political class and the rich classes manages to manipulate their interests and to cover the truths of a dramatic reality. A reality of poverty, abandonment and indifference by the life. But during the 27 hours of the battle on the inside and by outside the Palace of Justice, those masks fell. The essential character of this society and its leaders came to the light and for the first time was spread by radio and television to the whole country.
For that reason it is that it was necessary - since made minister Noemà SanÃn- telephone cut communications with the Palace to silence the voice of the President of the Court, and to order that that night, while the hostages agonized and burned the Palace, the television transmitted the scenes of the soccers match and the Aid of Beauty from Cartagena.
In my book there is the testimony of a judge, widow of whom was attending of the President of the Court, with who I long spoke six years after the tragedy. She says following it:
' In my opinion the most catastrophic consequence of which happened in the Palace of Justice is that it revealed the true character of the political class of this country. Lamentably Colombia suffers of amnesia and we have arrived at such point of insensibilidad and cruelty that the life no longer has value. The right does not have valor'.
And I ask myself: She will be why to anybody it seemed rare to him that Mrs. SanÃn went Chancellor from Colombia to the six years of these facts? By that amnesia she will be that almost three million Colombians voted by her for the Presidency of the country? And she will be why nowadays, to the great majority of the Colombians, she matters to them I comine the luck of the kidnapped ones of the CRAF?
Ana Carrigan Parga is enthusiastic and forceful when speech of Colombia, the country that takes in its veins and that although wants the editorials have given the back him to their closeer investigation.
Ana Carrigan Speaks
If that night of the 7 of November the President of the Republic had found the force moral to tell to the country the truth, everything would be different. I think that it had done possible to begin to construct, on ashes of deads of the Palace, the bases of a true state of right. In a state thus, the whole society had had the space and the possibilities of demanding responsibilities.
Because in Colombia nobody is responsible. Nobody admits its errors, nobody in the power requests pardon. And never there are consequences. To the 20 years of the Palace, only some of the old M-19 (Gustavo Petro, Navarrese Antonio or Otty Patino) have asked pardon the victims by the errors of their old leaders.
Signed: Travb 02:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
All be damn, she thinks the druggies paid the M-19 to destroy the files. This needs to be changed in the article. What about the official report which said that the mafia was not invloved, that she mentions in her book? What made her change her mind? Travb 02:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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One section of this article claims there are 25 justices, another 24. A quick search on the web suggests 23, but that is a current number and may not be applicable to this time period. This needs to be fixed. Hue White 15:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Following an AfD discussion it was agreed to merge Alfonso Plazas Vega Conspiracy into this article. I'm not sure how to go about this; the other article was a POV fork of this one, created by a single-purpose sock-puppeteer who has since been indefinitely blocked. Most material in that article was copypasted from this one; what remains is highly partisan accusations of conspiracy. Does anyone fancy attempting to carry this out? RolandR ( talk) 21:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have recently edited the page to fix some problems with the wording in the information box. $Especially where it says the sides and casualties. I noticed that the Army Troops were not listed in casualties, and also, the sides were listed and the terrorists, and "government" troops, though the Army is not a force of the government, something like the FBI or CIA would be so. I will reedit the boxes, but if anybody finds the edits problematic in any way, feel free to talk it over before simply deleting, as both persons have their opinions.-- Tlk041394 ( talk) 00:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
As i said before, i am not trying to place any material presenting a one sided picture, if i am, that is solely on your perseption, for all of my sources are citing information as reposrts by different sources. Since we have gone on with this discussion for ddays, and you have suggested to remove the whole section, i will do that immediatly, i would like to point out that some sources you have linked me to are also blogs and personal reports, similar to what i have used as sources. Funny how when the coin flips, different rules are in use. To conclude this disscusion, i would like to thank you for your assistance and concerns in the matter. I will immediately remove all information in the section of "alfonso Plazas Case" and any other material having to do with it. Thank you.-- Tlk041394 ( talk) 01:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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I think we should provide a 'background' section before the section titled 'The siege'. It is important to say what motivated the M-19 to plan the siege, and provide a neutral point of view of the different interpretations of their background. For instance, the siege happened on 6 november 1985 for a reason: On that day the Supreme Court would approve the Extradition Treaty. This information is relevant for the article, unless it was just a coincidence, in which case we should back that up with reliable references.-- Forich ( talk) 19:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I want to bring to your attention that Ana Carrigan's book, which is currently cited as much as 10 times in the entry, has been named a 'conspiracy theory' by this reliable source: Hudson, R. (1995). "Colombia's palace of justice tragedy revisited: A critique of the conspiracy theory". Terrorism and Political Violence, Vol. 7, No. 2, pp. 93-142. The abstract of Hudson's scholar study of the book states that he questions "her unsubstantiated claim that the Colombian government and military, in collaboration with the US Embassy in Bogotá and the US Department of State, covered up the massacre by scripting an ‘official story’, which labeled the hostage‐taking operation by the 19th of April Movement (M‐19) an act of narco‐terrorism sponsored by the Medellín Cartel'. If this is true, and we will have to read carefully the arguments of Hudson, then a lot of what is said in the entry is potentially Point of View (POV). -- Forich ( talk) 01:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe it is relevant to mention the layout of the Palace of Justice. It originally had four floors. It is worth mention in which floor did the Magistrados stay, where was the cafeteria, and why it is relevant to mention the cellar and the fourth floor. Since this description is big enough, I'll consider adding a new section for it. Any thoughts on that?-- Forich ( talk) 02:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
There is no currently no picture of the Palace of Justice in those two days. We should add one. If no one volunteers to do it, I will give it a try. -- Forich ( talk) 03:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
This video is a compilation of the coverage made by colombian news stations of the siege.-- Forich ( talk) 03:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Drug dealers were uneased by the Extradition Treaty of 1980 that could send them to jail in the United States once it got through the Supreme Court of Justice's evaluation. They menaced with death the magistrados of the Corte unless they change their opinion and voted against the extradition law.
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i know this may seem like something minor (mainly because it is), but i think, describing this event as a siege is a mistake considering the situation there was no standoff, no atrtion, as soon as the goverment heard of this they began an attack, and thats what makes this event so important in the history of the country, the response of the military was excesive and if there was even the sligthest attemp at negotiation maybe it wouldnt have turned into such a disaster, but it did exactly because of that, and i would wish to request it to chang to something like the taking of the palace of justice, since thats what its called in spanish ArthurJFlamel ( talk) 01:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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when colombians think of the seige, the image of the old palace of justice comes in mind. Do you think it would be better to change the main image on top to be the old palace of justice or the palace of justice during the attack instead of the new one? (since it already features at the end of the article) thank you Minako-Chan* ( talk) 19:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
There is an breath-taking picture on the cover of the book Colombia: Inside the Labyrinth, by Jenny Pearce showing tanks going into the Palace of justice. It was taken by a photographer, Julien Frydman who was working for a defunct photo organization, Sygma which was swallowed by Corbis.
A really poor, small, nearly indecipherable picture of the book is here.
Any ideas where I can find the picture? Travb 06:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I just watched World History of Organized Crime - Disc 2 (DVD). History Channel. 2002. Volume two contains "China," "India," and "Colombia."
The tape, an incredibly simplistic handling of a very complex situation in Colombia says:
"Just before noon on November 6th, 1985 at the Colombia Palace of Justice in downtown Bogata, guerillas hired by the [Medillin] Cartel seized more than 250 hostages."
Is this true? Did the [Medillin] Cartel hire M-19? This sounds dubious. Were there extradition files on M-19 also in this building, or just the Cartel? Travb 00:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
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Fourteen people 'disappeared" including eight members of the cafeteria staff, three casual visitors to the Palace and three guerrillas.
What does this mean? disappeared? Travb 00:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
corrected spelling and grammar Trelane 05:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Although you have to remember the truth is very hard to find and there are are least more disappeared people than the ones they mention. This is the case in various countries in South America, the truth right now is very limited to be trusted, maybe in some years a more verifiable truth can be found. -- MasK of ThE CARNIVAL 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The "missing" poster here (from the missing persons table) is confusing. The two persons at lower left cannot be matched to the list in the article. The lower left corner person is not certainly identifiable to sex (probably female). What can be made out from its name is a short word and a longer one, probably 3 letters in the first and 4 in the last. "Ana Rosa" (as in Ana Rosa Castilblanco) would be a reasonable match, "Irma Franco" (Pineda) seems less likely because of the 3 small dots after the initial capital letter of the second word. This leaves "Lucy Amparo Oviedo de Aria(?)s" on the poster unidentified.
IONO whether this poster is reliable as to names, but it contains more complete versions of some of the missing ones' names which could be put into the list. Dysmorodrepanis 03:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
This shows a photo of Castilblanco which very roughly agrees the lower left corner person on the photograph. It also lists "Lucy Amparo Oviedo" but does not list Pineda. Having just stumbled upon this event (which I can barely if at all remember hearing of in the news back then), my first guess is that there are actually 12 (now 11 - after Castilblanco's remains were ID'd) disappeared. Dysmorodrepanis 03:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Travb, I'm not 100% sure but...these two paragraphs are supposed to be from Carrigan's book, aren't they?
If so, then it maybe it should be presented as such a bit more clearly, especially the first paragraph (perhaps using " "s, I guess). Reading the article as an encyclopedia entry doesn't make it immediately clear (the [5] aside, there's a lack of " "s there), since the general style of the text does seem like the one employed by the author (Note to self: add some stuff on a couple of recent developments worth pointing out, sometime later in the day/week/month). Juancarlos2004 03:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thought you may be interested in this, it is facts, graphs I found about world oil production today:
http://bailey83221.livejournal.com/72068.html
thanks for all of your work. Travb 05:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
http://www.cromos.com.co/historico/2005-11-25/contenido_MI-3152.htm
2005-11-25
The OFFICE OF THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR WILL CALL TO DECLARE, 20 YEARS LATER, To EX- PRESIDENT BELISARIO BETANCUR BY The FACTS Of The JUSTICE PALACE. THE JOURNALIST ANA CARRIGAN ALREADY HAD TRIED TO JOIN THE PIECES.
its first trip to Colombia Ana Carrigan saw from a window, in street 37, how Bogota crumbled. He was 1948. April of 1948. Then, in the heat of horror of the Bogotazo, knew - with the incredulous eyes of an Earth girl of its mother and was enchanted right away by its familiar past. They spent the years and grew the sleepy illusion to return and to work in the country. And it obtained it in the middle of the 60. "Then I realized reality of Colombia and Latin America. Not it reality of my family, an elite ". Then, also, he fortified theParga-Corte's side of his blood, (Tolima) removed its Colombian roots in Dolores, and Rafael eeted again itself with his uncle.
The twin brother of his mother was a great influence in his life and a great inspiration in his work. An anxious, politically liberal until the marrow, academic and democratic man. In fact in his present literary project he follows the route of Rafael Courteous Parga. To traverse his he gives to an incisive glance to the violence of the 40 and the 50 him, where - according to the author one begins to understand history of Colombia.
Of a mere labor chance, Carrigan was in favor in Colombia in November of 1985. (it had arrived with the idea to roll a documentary one on gamines of Bogota when the headquarters of Colombian justice exploded in flames) That coincidence, years later, it finished turned a book with his documented version of one of the most non-uniform and chilling episodes of the country: the Palace of Justice.
In that occasion it remained 10 days and, with the fright of the very fresh happened thing, it ran to New York to propose history to him to a publisher who knew in the New York Times, for the dominical magazine of the newspaper. Already mentalizada to write a journalistic piece, it returned in May of 1986 to work in his investigation.
And that made with a great rigor to commemorate the first anniversary of the taking. But, when he was all ready one to print, they announced to him that the note would not be published because did not have the version of Belisario Betancur. She tried to explain that the President did not speak of the subject with anybody but was useless. She never published herself.
Then that unpublished writing began to him to weigh and it dedicated itself to look for one editorial to turn it book. After five years and a contract in its salary, returned to continue investigating in the happened thing and in 1993, with very good critics, it presented/displayed the Palace of Justice: a Colombian tragedy. But, for his surprise, never it was translated the Spanish. Its motivation to write on controversial subjects of the region (it also has a book on the conflict in El Salvador) is clear. "it makes sick to see to Me how the official versions of history are as much successful. Of all the problems that Colombia suffers today, for me, most serious - the one than allows and stimulates all evils is impunity, that in the last 20 years has arrived at a grotesca dimension ". S or book has a deep historical value, although it is first in recognizing that she has his faults. "I frankly regret not to have looked for thorough more the participation of the Mafia. I believed what they had considered the courts. Today I cannot think that the M-19 took the Palace without financial aid. I do not believe that the Mafia had paid to the M-19 so that it killed the judges. I think that the motivation was, probably, to destroy the files ".
In Colombia nobody is responsible. Nobody admits its errors, nobody in the power never requests pardon.
In the Spanish practitioner who learned of girl and who still conserves, it speaks from England without it fails the memory to him of the desperate shout of Alfonso Kings EchandÃa. Of the necessity of the Commission of the Truth, the tortured ones in the School of Cavalry, of the Aryan disappear, Jesus Cabrales, Andrés Almarales...
Fundamentally the thesis of my book is simple. Part of which the democracy in Colombia is a false democracy, cradle in lies and masks, behind which the political class and the rich classes manages to manipulate their interests and to cover the truths of a dramatic reality. A reality of poverty, abandonment and indifference by the life. But during the 27 hours of the battle on the inside and by outside the Palace of Justice, those masks fell. The essential character of this society and its leaders came to the light and for the first time was spread by radio and television to the whole country.
For that reason it is that it was necessary - since made minister Noemà SanÃn- telephone cut communications with the Palace to silence the voice of the President of the Court, and to order that that night, while the hostages agonized and burned the Palace, the television transmitted the scenes of the soccers match and the Aid of Beauty from Cartagena.
In my book there is the testimony of a judge, widow of whom was attending of the President of the Court, with who I long spoke six years after the tragedy. She says following it:
' In my opinion the most catastrophic consequence of which happened in the Palace of Justice is that it revealed the true character of the political class of this country. Lamentably Colombia suffers of amnesia and we have arrived at such point of insensibilidad and cruelty that the life no longer has value. The right does not have valor'.
And I ask myself: She will be why to anybody it seemed rare to him that Mrs. SanÃn went Chancellor from Colombia to the six years of these facts? By that amnesia she will be that almost three million Colombians voted by her for the Presidency of the country? And she will be why nowadays, to the great majority of the Colombians, she matters to them I comine the luck of the kidnapped ones of the CRAF?
Ana Carrigan Parga is enthusiastic and forceful when speech of Colombia, the country that takes in its veins and that although wants the editorials have given the back him to their closeer investigation.
Ana Carrigan Speaks
If that night of the 7 of November the President of the Republic had found the force moral to tell to the country the truth, everything would be different. I think that it had done possible to begin to construct, on ashes of deads of the Palace, the bases of a true state of right. In a state thus, the whole society had had the space and the possibilities of demanding responsibilities.
Because in Colombia nobody is responsible. Nobody admits its errors, nobody in the power requests pardon. And never there are consequences. To the 20 years of the Palace, only some of the old M-19 (Gustavo Petro, Navarrese Antonio or Otty Patino) have asked pardon the victims by the errors of their old leaders.
Signed: Travb 02:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
All be damn, she thinks the druggies paid the M-19 to destroy the files. This needs to be changed in the article. What about the official report which said that the mafia was not invloved, that she mentions in her book? What made her change her mind? Travb 02:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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One section of this article claims there are 25 justices, another 24. A quick search on the web suggests 23, but that is a current number and may not be applicable to this time period. This needs to be fixed. Hue White 15:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Following an AfD discussion it was agreed to merge Alfonso Plazas Vega Conspiracy into this article. I'm not sure how to go about this; the other article was a POV fork of this one, created by a single-purpose sock-puppeteer who has since been indefinitely blocked. Most material in that article was copypasted from this one; what remains is highly partisan accusations of conspiracy. Does anyone fancy attempting to carry this out? RolandR ( talk) 21:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have recently edited the page to fix some problems with the wording in the information box. $Especially where it says the sides and casualties. I noticed that the Army Troops were not listed in casualties, and also, the sides were listed and the terrorists, and "government" troops, though the Army is not a force of the government, something like the FBI or CIA would be so. I will reedit the boxes, but if anybody finds the edits problematic in any way, feel free to talk it over before simply deleting, as both persons have their opinions.-- Tlk041394 ( talk) 00:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
As i said before, i am not trying to place any material presenting a one sided picture, if i am, that is solely on your perseption, for all of my sources are citing information as reposrts by different sources. Since we have gone on with this discussion for ddays, and you have suggested to remove the whole section, i will do that immediatly, i would like to point out that some sources you have linked me to are also blogs and personal reports, similar to what i have used as sources. Funny how when the coin flips, different rules are in use. To conclude this disscusion, i would like to thank you for your assistance and concerns in the matter. I will immediately remove all information in the section of "alfonso Plazas Case" and any other material having to do with it. Thank you.-- Tlk041394 ( talk) 01:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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I think we should provide a 'background' section before the section titled 'The siege'. It is important to say what motivated the M-19 to plan the siege, and provide a neutral point of view of the different interpretations of their background. For instance, the siege happened on 6 november 1985 for a reason: On that day the Supreme Court would approve the Extradition Treaty. This information is relevant for the article, unless it was just a coincidence, in which case we should back that up with reliable references.-- Forich ( talk) 19:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I want to bring to your attention that Ana Carrigan's book, which is currently cited as much as 10 times in the entry, has been named a 'conspiracy theory' by this reliable source: Hudson, R. (1995). "Colombia's palace of justice tragedy revisited: A critique of the conspiracy theory". Terrorism and Political Violence, Vol. 7, No. 2, pp. 93-142. The abstract of Hudson's scholar study of the book states that he questions "her unsubstantiated claim that the Colombian government and military, in collaboration with the US Embassy in Bogotá and the US Department of State, covered up the massacre by scripting an ‘official story’, which labeled the hostage‐taking operation by the 19th of April Movement (M‐19) an act of narco‐terrorism sponsored by the Medellín Cartel'. If this is true, and we will have to read carefully the arguments of Hudson, then a lot of what is said in the entry is potentially Point of View (POV). -- Forich ( talk) 01:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe it is relevant to mention the layout of the Palace of Justice. It originally had four floors. It is worth mention in which floor did the Magistrados stay, where was the cafeteria, and why it is relevant to mention the cellar and the fourth floor. Since this description is big enough, I'll consider adding a new section for it. Any thoughts on that?-- Forich ( talk) 02:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
There is no currently no picture of the Palace of Justice in those two days. We should add one. If no one volunteers to do it, I will give it a try. -- Forich ( talk) 03:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
This video is a compilation of the coverage made by colombian news stations of the siege.-- Forich ( talk) 03:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Drug dealers were uneased by the Extradition Treaty of 1980 that could send them to jail in the United States once it got through the Supreme Court of Justice's evaluation. They menaced with death the magistrados of the Corte unless they change their opinion and voted against the extradition law.
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i know this may seem like something minor (mainly because it is), but i think, describing this event as a siege is a mistake considering the situation there was no standoff, no atrtion, as soon as the goverment heard of this they began an attack, and thats what makes this event so important in the history of the country, the response of the military was excesive and if there was even the sligthest attemp at negotiation maybe it wouldnt have turned into such a disaster, but it did exactly because of that, and i would wish to request it to chang to something like the taking of the palace of justice, since thats what its called in spanish ArthurJFlamel ( talk) 01:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)