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Hi.
I have in various places that the Motto Given by Quaid-e-Azam was actually "Unity, Faith and Discipline" NOT the "Unity, Discipline and Faith". Although its the sequence of word, but its very important that it MUST be written in the proper sequence as given by Father of the Nation Quaid-e-Azam.
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—Preceding unsigned comment added by S Q ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Officially, the Government of Pakistan claims Junagadh and Manavadar and show them on maps since both princely states acceded to Pakistan on the basis of maritime border- however, there is no mention of that here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.250.4 ( talk) 01:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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This article needs one of those bars saying "In need of significant revision". There are prolific grammatical and typographical errors, in addition to the use of weasel words and frequent politicization of the article. These elements frequently combine to make the article unreadable. For such a major country, this state of affairs is unacceptable, and a note should be placed so that readers do not perceive this to be up to Wikipedia's standards.
Representative Examples of Problems:
Under "Rupee": "...until 1982. When the government of General Zia-ul-Haq, changed it to managed float. This has been regarded as the worst decision by Zia. As a result, the rupee devalued by 38.5% between 1982/83 and 1987/88 and many of the industries built by his Predecessor suffered with a huge surge in Import Costs." Ignoring the frequent misuse of capital letters, it is unclear if the devaluation occurred twice between the 1982-83 period and again between 1987-88. I assume they are actually referring to statistics based on the Pakistani financial reporting years, but this is uninformative to readers without that knowledge and unclear to those with it. Furthermore, who said it was Zia' s worst decision?
Under "The economy today": "Due to inflation and economic crisis worldwide, Pakistan's economy reached a state of Balance of Payment crisis. 'The international Monetary Fund bailed out Pakistan in November 2008[...]By October 2007, Pakistan raised back its Foreign Reserves to a handsome $16.4 billion. Exceptional policies kept Pakistan's trade deficit controlled at $13 billion, exports boomed to $18 billion, revenue generation increased to become $13 billion and attracted foreign investment of $8.4 billion. Since the beginning of 2008, Pakistan's economic outlook has taken stagnation."
Stylistically this paragraph is rife with misused phrases, but structurally it makes it seem as if Pakistan recovered from the 2008 crisis in the year 2007 (IE "Raised back" to what? Back from what?). Furthermore, no citations are used, and even if they were, no neutral citation could justify the phrase "Exceptional Policies" as the cause of success. "Handsome" is also stylistically inappropriate.
In conclusion, this article appears to have been frequently edited by those without a focus on copy-editing and by those using English as a second language. In many places errors exist to the degree that the original author's intended meaning is not clear, and with limited citations the original meaning is lost (IE copy-revisions cannot successfully repair the passages). Furthermore, the use of language seeming to express political views (including the use of weasel words) both undermines the article's neutrality and obscures the objective facts of the article.
209.3.198.20 ( talk) 16:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
The Overview is very CriTICAL OF pAKISATN NO NEED TO TALK OF CIVIL WAR, AND THERE SHOULD BE TALK THAT PAKISTAN WAS CREATED BECAUSE INDIA REJECTED THE 14 POINTS OF JINNAH WHICH WOULD GARENTEE MUSLIM RIGHTS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 23:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I've been working on cleaning up this article. As I am not a Pakistani(and neither do I live in Pakistan), I do not know Pakistani English. Therefore, if I make any mistakes relating to the language, please feel free to correct it. TQ, Bejinhan Talk 12:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the mango production from "a third of the world's mangoes" to "third largest mango producer". Unfortunately I don't have a source for that claim either, but going by the statistics cited in the mango article it's plausible: The FAO unfortunately groups mangoes, guavas and mangosteens, with Pakistan the fifth largest producer for the combination behind India, China, Mexico and Thailand. [1] But Mexico probably mainly produces guavas, not mangoes, and Thailand's produce may contain a greater percentage of mangosteens. A slightly older article gives the 2004 world production of mangoes (without guavas or mangosteens) at 23,455,000 tonnes, and the FAO gives Pakistan's 2004 total production of mangoes, mangosteens and guavas as 1,055,990 tonnes. That's far short of a third of the total mango production. Huon ( talk) 00:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
India has had 3 Chief Executives Assassinated , Gandi, Indra and Rajiv , its had 10 year of Emergency laws when the entire country could not leave its house after 9pm, a Military Coup is just a constitutional procedure it would only be unstable if the Military did it outside the Constitution but in Pakistan the Military has the power do so Legally , you should also include in the Over View Pakistan was Major Western Ally in the Cold War and now Major Non Nato ally —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 18:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I am no Urdu expert(Bollywood is my teacher) but I feel that the translation of "Yaqeen-e-Muhkam" as "Faith" was too short. Firstly "faith" can have two meanings 1) conviction/belief; or, 2) religion (I dont think Yaqueen is used to mean "religion"), or does it. Also "Mukham" to my knowldge loosly translates to "destination". So a figurative translation of "Yaqeen-e-Muhkam" is "belief in destiny" or something like that? I tried online sources but could only find Wikipedia mirrors. -- Deepak D'Souza ( talk) 05:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the river name is Indus or Sindh, not Sindhu. Secondly, they originate from Indian administered Kashmir, not India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.96.222 ( talk) 17:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to talk about the Civil War or creation of Bangladesh , as other countries pages do not discuss there Civil Wars, This page is not up to Wiki standards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 15:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. Civil wars are important parts of any country's history. I'm not sure what countries you are referring to that don't have their civil wars listed in their history sections. The US certainly does, as does France and other countries with significant civil wars. This is a significant event in Pakistan's history. To leave it out would be POV. Jbower47 ( talk) 18:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The sq km and sq mi figures don't match, probably a typo somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.20.64 ( talk) 06:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I added this to the culture section. User:Huon erased it, and commented, "rather irrelevant and dubious data."
What do other editors think about including or not including this in the article?
Maharincess of Franistan ( talk) 07:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have removed a paragraph under "Government and politics" and change log can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pakistan&action=historysubmit&diff=374465147&oldid=374307886
The paragraph was obviously bad propaganda against Pakistan with non-NPOV references. Even if the reference were NPOV the content does not align with the Encyclopedic tone required. If someone insists on adding that paragraph, then kindly discuss it here before. Touseefliaqat Talk 20 July 2010 (UTC)
So the three types to note are:
A> Official support (camps or whatnot) by the Pakistan government and called a terrorist group by others.
B> Plausible deniability support by elements of the Pakistan government.
and
C> Rogue terrorist groups just hanging out inside Pakistan.
Right? Hcobb ( talk) 19:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Regards. الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 19:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
-- Wikireader41 ( talk) 12:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 15:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
We don't need a bunch of talk about it in the main article, just link off to Terrorism in Pakistan, which seems to cover the main issues already. Hcobb ( talk) 17:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 12:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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Pakistan's Map shows Indian Kashmir as a prospective area of hold for the country. Which is incorrect and early to predict without a UN declaration. Therefore this is a request to correct it.
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Its history has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with neighboring India.' and civil War
Theese are all subjective , does Americas and Englands page talk about the Civil war, Instability is subjective , India has had emergency rule for 10 years long conflicts with CHina, Khalistan etc
very very Biased —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 12:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
you dont mention the Kashmir and Maoist and Assam insurgency in India, I suggest removing the entire entry , Pakistan has had 3 Military Coups that is not really instability thats just the way it is, they were dismissed on grounds of corruption now if you want to speculate the reason behind the coup that has no place on wikipedia and should be reserved for gossip forums, I dont think Indias page should talk about war with Pakistan and China and Pakistan page should not talk about war with India, the page is very biased against Pakistan —Preceding
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Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 16:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to mention ' Its history has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with neighboring India'
as indias page does not talk about war with Pakistan and political instability is subjective the sentence is of poor standard and other countries are not described in this way , there is also no need to discuss the Pakistan Civil War as the American page does not discuss the American civil war —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manyobbo456 ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Swaroop ( talk) 14:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I think it's important to mention those aspects, but not present them as if they were the sum and substance of Pakistan's history. This should be clarified/reworded. But to not mention them at all is not NPOV. Jbower47 ( talk) 18:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that supports the idea of Pakistan as the semi-presidential republic? Because, recently, the parliamentay committee of Parliament of Pakistan has introduced a consitutional amendment package which has been passed by the Pakistan's lower house through a unanimous votes. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan has reduced the powers of the President of Pakistan also turning Pakistan from a semi-presidential to a parliamentary republic and renaming of North-West Frontier Province to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. It also has increased the power of Prime minister as well as the Parliament. To this account, I believe it would be appropriate to put Pakistan's government as Federal Parliamentary republic instead that of Semi-presidential republic.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironboy11 ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Gilani met with his Cabinet Wednesday to discuss the floods that have killed 1,500 people and now threaten the provinces of Sindh and Punjab.
The session comes as Pakistani leaders face growing anger over what residents say is a slow government response. Many have also questioned President Asif Ali Zardari's decision to continue a trip to Europe.
Forecasters are predicting still more monsoon rains as international aid groups struggle to reach affected areas where roads, bridges and other infrastructure have been washed away.
The World Food Program says nearly two million people are in need of food assistance, with rising water levels destroying crops in the northwest and threatening farmland in Punjab. U.N. officials have also warned that hundreds of thousands of people are at risk of diseases from contaminated water.
The U.N., United States, Britain and Canada have all pledged millions of dollars in aid to Pakistan. The U.S. is also sending military helicopters from Afghanistan to assist in relief efforts.
The Pakistani army has rescued more than 30,000 people from flood-hit areas over the past three days.
The U.N. refugee agency said it has delivered 10,000 tents with other relief supplies and is stepping up its assistance to provide shelter for hundreds of thousands of homeless people.
Islamist charities, some with suspected ties to militant groups, also have stepped in to provide aid to flood victims. Anirudh Emani ( talk) 14:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 15:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I've strong reservations on the following statement:
In the 1920s and 1930s, a movement led by the Hindu politician Mahatma Gandhi, and displaying commitment to long enshrined Hindu tenet of ahimsa, or non-violence, engaged millions of protesters in mass campaigns of civil disobedience.
Gandhi is regarded the world over to have been a secular man. I think it will only be fair, not to use such controversial adjectives with his name! Requesting a Mod/Admin/Editor to look into this, please!
Regards,...
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 09:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC) PS: Hopefully, someone will answer soon.
"The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" ...
1) The reference leads to some blog!
2) Please read
List of countries by military expenditures ... A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
3) Placing Pakistan at #6 will mean placing some of the following other nuclear powers below it, which is absurd to even comprehend! (USA, China, UK, France, Germany, Russia, India, Israel, <N. Korea>) Especially considering the economic status of the country!
4) Though I'm not going to base by judgement on the ratings given
here, it is nevertheless a MUCH better citation to base an article on!
5) As long as we don't have a credible source like a CIA report or something, we need to base our conclusions on Military spending.
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people. But unfortunately that is not the case and what is not true "cannot" show up on wikipedia as long as I'm not blocked! Based on these arguments I'm going to comment that statement because that's much better than terming the whole section/article disputed! Please escalate the matter to an admin or find a better citation and undo/uncomment the statement.
Regards,
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 00:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 00:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Regards.. الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 04:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 08:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I was exactly on target. There was simply a statement "The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" You found that it is 7th on List of countries by number of troops then just change "6th" to "7th" and make it clear in edit summary. What is the purpose of these statements:
A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
plus
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people.
Actually this is the hatred of yours against Pakistan.
This statement was according to the number of troops, not according to total expenditures nor according to strength as you said. I agree with Huon that "Sixth-largest" doesn't mean "sixth-best" or "sixth-most expensive" and it is very hard to judge the strength. You, me or any one else can not judge it.
By the way source you removed was not unreliable because Newspapers are not unreliable according to point 1 of this section of article. And if you open Pakistan section from source you provided you will find the same figures as mentioned in List of countries by number of troops. -- Talha Discuss © 09:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 10:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The discussion is over and the issue, resolved. Tyvm for participating... Have an excellent time, everyone :) ... Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 20:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
We need to make this a featured article again. What is preventing us? If you need my help, you know where to find me.
Regards,... Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 16:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 18:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Bold text well i would like to say that the government of Canada said that they would not help Pakistan out anymore during it's flood but they have changed their minds and now are helping. and so is stratford elementary/junior high school in Edmonton, Alberta by giving the proceeds (doubled by government)of a bake sale this friday september, 29, 2010 at their school —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.38.123 ( talk) 00:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
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In this specific article about pakistan, the mention of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 (which is available in wikipedia as a seperate article is absent in the "military" section. please include a short gist of this war at the appropriate place in the military section.
Sameer.kerkar ( talk) 13:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Can someone point to where it is written in the constitution regarding conscription. I will remove that bit of text if no reference can be found. — sch@jee 11:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please replace the map File:PAK AU T1.svg with the below one:
This is since this map is clickable, and provides further subdivisions than the one currently used. 92.4.112.133 ( talk) 14:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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Pakistan, an impoverished and underdeveloped country, has suffered from decades of internal political disputes and low levels of foreign investment. Between 2001-07, however, poverty levels decreased by 10%, as Islamabad steadily raised development spending. Between 2004-07, GDP growth in the 5-8% range was spurred by gains in the industrial and service sectors - despite severe electricity shortfalls - but growth slowed in 2008-09 and unemployment rose. Inflation remains the top concern among the public, jumping from 7.7% in 2007 to 20.3% in 2008, and 14.2% in 2009. In addition, the Pakistani rupee has depreciated since 2007 as a result of political and economic instability. The government agreed to an International Monetary Fund Standby Arrangement in November 2008 in response to a balance of payments crisis, but during 2009 its current account strengthened and foreign exchange reserves stabilized - largely because of lower oil prices and record remittances from workers abroad. Textiles account for most of Pakistan's export earnings, but Pakistan's failure to expand a viable export base for other manufactures have left the country vulnerable to shifts in world demand. Other long term challenges include expanding investment in education, healthcare, and electricity production, and reducing dependence on foreign donors. Debt Relief Order ( Yancyponting ( talk) 09:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC))
It is biased!
User:Pakistan Zindabad 2010 and I disagree about how the lead text should be arranged. For comparison: His preferred arrangement, mine, diff. I'd say Pakistan Zindabad 2010's version is no improvement because it rips the text out of context. For example, the army size and nuclear weapons information before was part of a larger paragraph on Pakistan's military situation, including its status as a major ally of the US and membership in other alliances. Similarly, in my preferred version, the "with 170 million people" text is part of a wider description of modern Pakistan at the end of a historical sketch; with Pakistan Zindabad 2010's version it is squeezed between Pakistan's geographic position and the region's ancient history without being related to either. Huon ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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Pakistan's HDI should be .490, not .572 because that is wrong information.
74.202.255.6 ( talk) 23:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
the kashmir is an integral part of india ,it is shown that pakistan has its influence their in its map, there by i ask wikipedia to correct the map n limit the pakistan with in its boundry,with an immediate effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.195.125.216 ( talk) 00:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan but in territorial dispute with india. therefor, the Pakistan-administered Kashmir should be in dark green and the indian-occupied Kashmir should be in light green as the map of india shows indian-occupied Kashmir in dark green and Pakistani-administered Kashmir in light green. I request this change to be made immediately. Pakistan Zindabad 2010 ( talk) 10:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
china regards Kashmir as Part of Pakistan, china being a major power its view has to be recognized , also the US and EU regard kashmir as disputed and not an integral part of India therefore the bollywood films claiming kashmir is an 'integral' part of india do not mean anything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.0.13 ( talk) 01:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
This is such a waste of space on the article. East and West Pakistan are already mentioned on the "Pakistan (disambiguation)" article. Also, East and West Pakistan are also mentioned in the article itself. This incident occurred 40 years ago and it's not like current affairs for the region. --- ( NapoleonARS ( talk) 02:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC))
There is currently a debate underway to see whether Pakistan should be excluded from WikiProject Central Asia. Unfortunately, not many people have contributed so far. I would ask all editors with a background knowledge of this region to participate in the debate here. Boolyme Talk!! 20:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I've reinstated the description of Pakistan as in South Asia; in my experience, Southwest Asia is much more commonly used to describe the Turkey-Iraq-Iran region rather than as far east as Pakistan. Our own article on Southwest Asia directs to Western Asia, which doesn't include Pakistan (and notes that the definition is fluid on whether or not even to include Iran). I'm not aware of a commonly used definition of "South Asia" that omits Pakistan. Shimgray | talk | 00:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
You're right, some people do consider Pakistan to be "Middle East", but only because of it has Muslim majority and it's proximity with Iran, which is often considered part of the greater Middle East. Afghanistan is actually included in many definition of South Asia. However, culturally, historically, politically, Pakistan shares virtually nothing with the Middle East and is much much more similar to India. I do believe that these categorizations are too cookie-cutter though; if you really think about it, there's generally a cultural, religious, musical, etc. continuum ranging from North India to Pakistan to Afghanistan up to Persia. The geographic split is largely arbitrary, although not completely so. ʙʌsʌwʌʟʌ spik ʌp! 03:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The article only mentions the country's southern climate when discussing seasons. in reality the country has cold snowy winters in the north 99.227.90.213 ( talk) 08:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
A discussion is currently underway here to decide whether the title of the article List of Indian inventions and discoveries is accurate, and if its name should be changed to List of South Asian inventions and discoveries. All users interested in Pakistan and South Asia-related topics are welcome to participate and express their thoughts. Mar4d ( talk) 11:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a new page now specifically for Pakistan, List of Pakistani inventions and discoveries, Please help me update this page as its very time consuming best regards S Seagal ( talk) 17:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Syed Ahmed Khan (1817–1898) |
Muhammad Iqbal (1877-1938) |
Chaudhry Rehmat Ali (1897–1951) |
Faiz Ahmed Faiz (1911–1984) |
Habib Jalib (1928–1993) |
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Since this thread is locked by people are are blatantly out to undermine the article, can this please be added as this is also done with other featured articles?
Hopefully it wont take 3 years to have it added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.197.6 ( talk) 16:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.currentsocial.com/pakistan/sir-syed-ahmad-khans-ideology-of-pakistan-2.html http://www.allamaiqbal.com/person/movement/move_main.htm http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_rahmatali_1933.html http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/17/faiz-ahmed-faiz-life-and-poetry.html http://www.bepakistan.com/habib-jalib-pakistan-ka-matlab-kya/
There are millions of sources if you look on google. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.197.6 ( talk) 16:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
will become Pakistan geographically speaking. Iqbal may have loved the land of the Hindus but he supported the establishment of the land of Pakistan more, Further India did not exist until 1947 period, There was the British Raj and before that the Moghul empire, PLease stick to topic and stop trolling, if its the authors you dont like then please suggest what changes should be made and we can agree on them. S Seagal ( talk) 20:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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Hi.
I have in various places that the Motto Given by Quaid-e-Azam was actually "Unity, Faith and Discipline" NOT the "Unity, Discipline and Faith". Although its the sequence of word, but its very important that it MUST be written in the proper sequence as given by Father of the Nation Quaid-e-Azam.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cancerea ( talk • contribs) 10:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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—Preceding unsigned comment added by S Q ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Officially, the Government of Pakistan claims Junagadh and Manavadar and show them on maps since both princely states acceded to Pakistan on the basis of maritime border- however, there is no mention of that here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.250.4 ( talk) 01:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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This article needs one of those bars saying "In need of significant revision". There are prolific grammatical and typographical errors, in addition to the use of weasel words and frequent politicization of the article. These elements frequently combine to make the article unreadable. For such a major country, this state of affairs is unacceptable, and a note should be placed so that readers do not perceive this to be up to Wikipedia's standards.
Representative Examples of Problems:
Under "Rupee": "...until 1982. When the government of General Zia-ul-Haq, changed it to managed float. This has been regarded as the worst decision by Zia. As a result, the rupee devalued by 38.5% between 1982/83 and 1987/88 and many of the industries built by his Predecessor suffered with a huge surge in Import Costs." Ignoring the frequent misuse of capital letters, it is unclear if the devaluation occurred twice between the 1982-83 period and again between 1987-88. I assume they are actually referring to statistics based on the Pakistani financial reporting years, but this is uninformative to readers without that knowledge and unclear to those with it. Furthermore, who said it was Zia' s worst decision?
Under "The economy today": "Due to inflation and economic crisis worldwide, Pakistan's economy reached a state of Balance of Payment crisis. 'The international Monetary Fund bailed out Pakistan in November 2008[...]By October 2007, Pakistan raised back its Foreign Reserves to a handsome $16.4 billion. Exceptional policies kept Pakistan's trade deficit controlled at $13 billion, exports boomed to $18 billion, revenue generation increased to become $13 billion and attracted foreign investment of $8.4 billion. Since the beginning of 2008, Pakistan's economic outlook has taken stagnation."
Stylistically this paragraph is rife with misused phrases, but structurally it makes it seem as if Pakistan recovered from the 2008 crisis in the year 2007 (IE "Raised back" to what? Back from what?). Furthermore, no citations are used, and even if they were, no neutral citation could justify the phrase "Exceptional Policies" as the cause of success. "Handsome" is also stylistically inappropriate.
In conclusion, this article appears to have been frequently edited by those without a focus on copy-editing and by those using English as a second language. In many places errors exist to the degree that the original author's intended meaning is not clear, and with limited citations the original meaning is lost (IE copy-revisions cannot successfully repair the passages). Furthermore, the use of language seeming to express political views (including the use of weasel words) both undermines the article's neutrality and obscures the objective facts of the article.
209.3.198.20 ( talk) 16:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
The Overview is very CriTICAL OF pAKISATN NO NEED TO TALK OF CIVIL WAR, AND THERE SHOULD BE TALK THAT PAKISTAN WAS CREATED BECAUSE INDIA REJECTED THE 14 POINTS OF JINNAH WHICH WOULD GARENTEE MUSLIM RIGHTS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 23:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I've been working on cleaning up this article. As I am not a Pakistani(and neither do I live in Pakistan), I do not know Pakistani English. Therefore, if I make any mistakes relating to the language, please feel free to correct it. TQ, Bejinhan Talk 12:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the mango production from "a third of the world's mangoes" to "third largest mango producer". Unfortunately I don't have a source for that claim either, but going by the statistics cited in the mango article it's plausible: The FAO unfortunately groups mangoes, guavas and mangosteens, with Pakistan the fifth largest producer for the combination behind India, China, Mexico and Thailand. [1] But Mexico probably mainly produces guavas, not mangoes, and Thailand's produce may contain a greater percentage of mangosteens. A slightly older article gives the 2004 world production of mangoes (without guavas or mangosteens) at 23,455,000 tonnes, and the FAO gives Pakistan's 2004 total production of mangoes, mangosteens and guavas as 1,055,990 tonnes. That's far short of a third of the total mango production. Huon ( talk) 00:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
India has had 3 Chief Executives Assassinated , Gandi, Indra and Rajiv , its had 10 year of Emergency laws when the entire country could not leave its house after 9pm, a Military Coup is just a constitutional procedure it would only be unstable if the Military did it outside the Constitution but in Pakistan the Military has the power do so Legally , you should also include in the Over View Pakistan was Major Western Ally in the Cold War and now Major Non Nato ally —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 18:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I am no Urdu expert(Bollywood is my teacher) but I feel that the translation of "Yaqeen-e-Muhkam" as "Faith" was too short. Firstly "faith" can have two meanings 1) conviction/belief; or, 2) religion (I dont think Yaqueen is used to mean "religion"), or does it. Also "Mukham" to my knowldge loosly translates to "destination". So a figurative translation of "Yaqeen-e-Muhkam" is "belief in destiny" or something like that? I tried online sources but could only find Wikipedia mirrors. -- Deepak D'Souza ( talk) 05:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the river name is Indus or Sindh, not Sindhu. Secondly, they originate from Indian administered Kashmir, not India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.96.222 ( talk) 17:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to talk about the Civil War or creation of Bangladesh , as other countries pages do not discuss there Civil Wars, This page is not up to Wiki standards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 15:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. Civil wars are important parts of any country's history. I'm not sure what countries you are referring to that don't have their civil wars listed in their history sections. The US certainly does, as does France and other countries with significant civil wars. This is a significant event in Pakistan's history. To leave it out would be POV. Jbower47 ( talk) 18:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The sq km and sq mi figures don't match, probably a typo somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.20.64 ( talk) 06:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I added this to the culture section. User:Huon erased it, and commented, "rather irrelevant and dubious data."
What do other editors think about including or not including this in the article?
Maharincess of Franistan ( talk) 07:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have removed a paragraph under "Government and politics" and change log can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pakistan&action=historysubmit&diff=374465147&oldid=374307886
The paragraph was obviously bad propaganda against Pakistan with non-NPOV references. Even if the reference were NPOV the content does not align with the Encyclopedic tone required. If someone insists on adding that paragraph, then kindly discuss it here before. Touseefliaqat Talk 20 July 2010 (UTC)
So the three types to note are:
A> Official support (camps or whatnot) by the Pakistan government and called a terrorist group by others.
B> Plausible deniability support by elements of the Pakistan government.
and
C> Rogue terrorist groups just hanging out inside Pakistan.
Right? Hcobb ( talk) 19:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Regards. الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 19:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
-- Wikireader41 ( talk) 12:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 15:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
We don't need a bunch of talk about it in the main article, just link off to Terrorism in Pakistan, which seems to cover the main issues already. Hcobb ( talk) 17:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 12:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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Pakistan's Map shows Indian Kashmir as a prospective area of hold for the country. Which is incorrect and early to predict without a UN declaration. Therefore this is a request to correct it.
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Its history has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with neighboring India.' and civil War
Theese are all subjective , does Americas and Englands page talk about the Civil war, Instability is subjective , India has had emergency rule for 10 years long conflicts with CHina, Khalistan etc
very very Biased —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.250.215 ( talk) 12:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
you dont mention the Kashmir and Maoist and Assam insurgency in India, I suggest removing the entire entry , Pakistan has had 3 Military Coups that is not really instability thats just the way it is, they were dismissed on grounds of corruption now if you want to speculate the reason behind the coup that has no place on wikipedia and should be reserved for gossip forums, I dont think Indias page should talk about war with Pakistan and China and Pakistan page should not talk about war with India, the page is very biased against Pakistan —Preceding
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Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 16:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to mention ' Its history has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with neighboring India'
as indias page does not talk about war with Pakistan and political instability is subjective the sentence is of poor standard and other countries are not described in this way , there is also no need to discuss the Pakistan Civil War as the American page does not discuss the American civil war —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manyobbo456 ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Swaroop ( talk) 14:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I think it's important to mention those aspects, but not present them as if they were the sum and substance of Pakistan's history. This should be clarified/reworded. But to not mention them at all is not NPOV. Jbower47 ( talk) 18:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that supports the idea of Pakistan as the semi-presidential republic? Because, recently, the parliamentay committee of Parliament of Pakistan has introduced a consitutional amendment package which has been passed by the Pakistan's lower house through a unanimous votes. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan has reduced the powers of the President of Pakistan also turning Pakistan from a semi-presidential to a parliamentary republic and renaming of North-West Frontier Province to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. It also has increased the power of Prime minister as well as the Parliament. To this account, I believe it would be appropriate to put Pakistan's government as Federal Parliamentary republic instead that of Semi-presidential republic.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironboy11 ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Gilani met with his Cabinet Wednesday to discuss the floods that have killed 1,500 people and now threaten the provinces of Sindh and Punjab.
The session comes as Pakistani leaders face growing anger over what residents say is a slow government response. Many have also questioned President Asif Ali Zardari's decision to continue a trip to Europe.
Forecasters are predicting still more monsoon rains as international aid groups struggle to reach affected areas where roads, bridges and other infrastructure have been washed away.
The World Food Program says nearly two million people are in need of food assistance, with rising water levels destroying crops in the northwest and threatening farmland in Punjab. U.N. officials have also warned that hundreds of thousands of people are at risk of diseases from contaminated water.
The U.N., United States, Britain and Canada have all pledged millions of dollars in aid to Pakistan. The U.S. is also sending military helicopters from Afghanistan to assist in relief efforts.
The Pakistani army has rescued more than 30,000 people from flood-hit areas over the past three days.
The U.N. refugee agency said it has delivered 10,000 tents with other relief supplies and is stepping up its assistance to provide shelter for hundreds of thousands of homeless people.
Islamist charities, some with suspected ties to militant groups, also have stepped in to provide aid to flood victims. Anirudh Emani ( talk) 14:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 15:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I've strong reservations on the following statement:
In the 1920s and 1930s, a movement led by the Hindu politician Mahatma Gandhi, and displaying commitment to long enshrined Hindu tenet of ahimsa, or non-violence, engaged millions of protesters in mass campaigns of civil disobedience.
Gandhi is regarded the world over to have been a secular man. I think it will only be fair, not to use such controversial adjectives with his name! Requesting a Mod/Admin/Editor to look into this, please!
Regards,...
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 09:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC) PS: Hopefully, someone will answer soon.
"The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" ...
1) The reference leads to some blog!
2) Please read
List of countries by military expenditures ... A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
3) Placing Pakistan at #6 will mean placing some of the following other nuclear powers below it, which is absurd to even comprehend! (USA, China, UK, France, Germany, Russia, India, Israel, <N. Korea>) Especially considering the economic status of the country!
4) Though I'm not going to base by judgement on the ratings given
here, it is nevertheless a MUCH better citation to base an article on!
5) As long as we don't have a credible source like a CIA report or something, we need to base our conclusions on Military spending.
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people. But unfortunately that is not the case and what is not true "cannot" show up on wikipedia as long as I'm not blocked! Based on these arguments I'm going to comment that statement because that's much better than terming the whole section/article disputed! Please escalate the matter to an admin or find a better citation and undo/uncomment the statement.
Regards,
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 00:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 00:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Regards.. الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 04:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 08:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I was exactly on target. There was simply a statement "The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" You found that it is 7th on List of countries by number of troops then just change "6th" to "7th" and make it clear in edit summary. What is the purpose of these statements:
A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
plus
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people.
Actually this is the hatred of yours against Pakistan.
This statement was according to the number of troops, not according to total expenditures nor according to strength as you said. I agree with Huon that "Sixth-largest" doesn't mean "sixth-best" or "sixth-most expensive" and it is very hard to judge the strength. You, me or any one else can not judge it.
By the way source you removed was not unreliable because Newspapers are not unreliable according to point 1 of this section of article. And if you open Pakistan section from source you provided you will find the same figures as mentioned in List of countries by number of troops. -- Talha Discuss © 09:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 10:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The discussion is over and the issue, resolved. Tyvm for participating... Have an excellent time, everyone :) ... Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 20:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
We need to make this a featured article again. What is preventing us? If you need my help, you know where to find me.
Regards,... Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 16:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
الله أكبر Mohammad Adil 18:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Bold text well i would like to say that the government of Canada said that they would not help Pakistan out anymore during it's flood but they have changed their minds and now are helping. and so is stratford elementary/junior high school in Edmonton, Alberta by giving the proceeds (doubled by government)of a bake sale this friday september, 29, 2010 at their school —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.38.123 ( talk) 00:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
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Sameer.kerkar ( talk) 13:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Can someone point to where it is written in the constitution regarding conscription. I will remove that bit of text if no reference can be found. — sch@jee 11:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please replace the map File:PAK AU T1.svg with the below one:
This is since this map is clickable, and provides further subdivisions than the one currently used. 92.4.112.133 ( talk) 14:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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Pakistan, an impoverished and underdeveloped country, has suffered from decades of internal political disputes and low levels of foreign investment. Between 2001-07, however, poverty levels decreased by 10%, as Islamabad steadily raised development spending. Between 2004-07, GDP growth in the 5-8% range was spurred by gains in the industrial and service sectors - despite severe electricity shortfalls - but growth slowed in 2008-09 and unemployment rose. Inflation remains the top concern among the public, jumping from 7.7% in 2007 to 20.3% in 2008, and 14.2% in 2009. In addition, the Pakistani rupee has depreciated since 2007 as a result of political and economic instability. The government agreed to an International Monetary Fund Standby Arrangement in November 2008 in response to a balance of payments crisis, but during 2009 its current account strengthened and foreign exchange reserves stabilized - largely because of lower oil prices and record remittances from workers abroad. Textiles account for most of Pakistan's export earnings, but Pakistan's failure to expand a viable export base for other manufactures have left the country vulnerable to shifts in world demand. Other long term challenges include expanding investment in education, healthcare, and electricity production, and reducing dependence on foreign donors. Debt Relief Order ( Yancyponting ( talk) 09:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC))
It is biased!
User:Pakistan Zindabad 2010 and I disagree about how the lead text should be arranged. For comparison: His preferred arrangement, mine, diff. I'd say Pakistan Zindabad 2010's version is no improvement because it rips the text out of context. For example, the army size and nuclear weapons information before was part of a larger paragraph on Pakistan's military situation, including its status as a major ally of the US and membership in other alliances. Similarly, in my preferred version, the "with 170 million people" text is part of a wider description of modern Pakistan at the end of a historical sketch; with Pakistan Zindabad 2010's version it is squeezed between Pakistan's geographic position and the region's ancient history without being related to either. Huon ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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74.202.255.6 ( talk) 23:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
the kashmir is an integral part of india ,it is shown that pakistan has its influence their in its map, there by i ask wikipedia to correct the map n limit the pakistan with in its boundry,with an immediate effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.195.125.216 ( talk) 00:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan but in territorial dispute with india. therefor, the Pakistan-administered Kashmir should be in dark green and the indian-occupied Kashmir should be in light green as the map of india shows indian-occupied Kashmir in dark green and Pakistani-administered Kashmir in light green. I request this change to be made immediately. Pakistan Zindabad 2010 ( talk) 10:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
china regards Kashmir as Part of Pakistan, china being a major power its view has to be recognized , also the US and EU regard kashmir as disputed and not an integral part of India therefore the bollywood films claiming kashmir is an 'integral' part of india do not mean anything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.0.13 ( talk) 01:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
This is such a waste of space on the article. East and West Pakistan are already mentioned on the "Pakistan (disambiguation)" article. Also, East and West Pakistan are also mentioned in the article itself. This incident occurred 40 years ago and it's not like current affairs for the region. --- ( NapoleonARS ( talk) 02:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC))
There is currently a debate underway to see whether Pakistan should be excluded from WikiProject Central Asia. Unfortunately, not many people have contributed so far. I would ask all editors with a background knowledge of this region to participate in the debate here. Boolyme Talk!! 20:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I've reinstated the description of Pakistan as in South Asia; in my experience, Southwest Asia is much more commonly used to describe the Turkey-Iraq-Iran region rather than as far east as Pakistan. Our own article on Southwest Asia directs to Western Asia, which doesn't include Pakistan (and notes that the definition is fluid on whether or not even to include Iran). I'm not aware of a commonly used definition of "South Asia" that omits Pakistan. Shimgray | talk | 00:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
You're right, some people do consider Pakistan to be "Middle East", but only because of it has Muslim majority and it's proximity with Iran, which is often considered part of the greater Middle East. Afghanistan is actually included in many definition of South Asia. However, culturally, historically, politically, Pakistan shares virtually nothing with the Middle East and is much much more similar to India. I do believe that these categorizations are too cookie-cutter though; if you really think about it, there's generally a cultural, religious, musical, etc. continuum ranging from North India to Pakistan to Afghanistan up to Persia. The geographic split is largely arbitrary, although not completely so. ʙʌsʌwʌʟʌ spik ʌp! 03:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The article only mentions the country's southern climate when discussing seasons. in reality the country has cold snowy winters in the north 99.227.90.213 ( talk) 08:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
A discussion is currently underway here to decide whether the title of the article List of Indian inventions and discoveries is accurate, and if its name should be changed to List of South Asian inventions and discoveries. All users interested in Pakistan and South Asia-related topics are welcome to participate and express their thoughts. Mar4d ( talk) 11:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a new page now specifically for Pakistan, List of Pakistani inventions and discoveries, Please help me update this page as its very time consuming best regards S Seagal ( talk) 17:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Syed Ahmed Khan (1817–1898) |
Muhammad Iqbal (1877-1938) |
Chaudhry Rehmat Ali (1897–1951) |
Faiz Ahmed Faiz (1911–1984) |
Habib Jalib (1928–1993) |
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Since this thread is locked by people are are blatantly out to undermine the article, can this please be added as this is also done with other featured articles?
Hopefully it wont take 3 years to have it added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.197.6 ( talk) 16:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.currentsocial.com/pakistan/sir-syed-ahmad-khans-ideology-of-pakistan-2.html http://www.allamaiqbal.com/person/movement/move_main.htm http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_rahmatali_1933.html http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/17/faiz-ahmed-faiz-life-and-poetry.html http://www.bepakistan.com/habib-jalib-pakistan-ka-matlab-kya/
There are millions of sources if you look on google. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.197.6 ( talk) 16:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
will become Pakistan geographically speaking. Iqbal may have loved the land of the Hindus but he supported the establishment of the land of Pakistan more, Further India did not exist until 1947 period, There was the British Raj and before that the Moghul empire, PLease stick to topic and stop trolling, if its the authors you dont like then please suggest what changes should be made and we can agree on them. S Seagal ( talk) 20:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)