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After correcting an apparent error introduced into the text by the new material from the Italian article, I want some things double-checked: the etymology of Paionian Pontos does not look convincing; it may as well derive from PIE *pent-, "a path" from which Greek pontos ("sea") derives according to Pokorny, Watkins, etc.; I also looked in Pokorny and could not find *ponktos. I did find PIE *pen-, *penk- ("swamp, water, wet"), which may be the intended source of *ponktos. The Illyrian toponym Pannonia, per Pokorny at least, derives from the aformentioned PIE *pen-. Alexander 007 07:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Under PIE *stebh-, "post, pillar, foundation", Pokorny has, among many entries, Old Prussian stabis (rock), Old Church Slavonic stoboru (pillar), Old English stapol (post, pillar), and ancient Greek stephein (to wreathe around, fasten) and stobos (scolding, bad language), but I'm not sure how he explains the semantic development with that last one. Alexander 007 07:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
From the article, The Indo-European voiced aspirates (*bh, *dh, etc) became plain voiced consonants (/b/, /d/, etc)...
[1]. I came across an interesting thread there. I was just about to resume research to try to locate Lake Prasias on the map today and identify the paprax and tilon fish species, and I found that thread using Google. I think I had also previously considered that paprax may have been the perch fish, when I was checking out what fish are common in lakes of the area. In fact I previously did more research on tilon/psilon also but I put those notes aside and I don't know where I put those notes. 76.208.174.102 ( talk) 01:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The identification of paprax and perch looks likely, and identifying tilon as the European chub, common current Greek name Tylinari, looks certain: the European chub is very easy to catch using angling techniques, and that sounds just like the easy-to-catch freshwater lake fish being caught by Paionians as described by Herodotus. 76.208.174.102 ( talk) 03:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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After correcting an apparent error introduced into the text by the new material from the Italian article, I want some things double-checked: the etymology of Paionian Pontos does not look convincing; it may as well derive from PIE *pent-, "a path" from which Greek pontos ("sea") derives according to Pokorny, Watkins, etc.; I also looked in Pokorny and could not find *ponktos. I did find PIE *pen-, *penk- ("swamp, water, wet"), which may be the intended source of *ponktos. The Illyrian toponym Pannonia, per Pokorny at least, derives from the aformentioned PIE *pen-. Alexander 007 07:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Under PIE *stebh-, "post, pillar, foundation", Pokorny has, among many entries, Old Prussian stabis (rock), Old Church Slavonic stoboru (pillar), Old English stapol (post, pillar), and ancient Greek stephein (to wreathe around, fasten) and stobos (scolding, bad language), but I'm not sure how he explains the semantic development with that last one. Alexander 007 07:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
From the article, The Indo-European voiced aspirates (*bh, *dh, etc) became plain voiced consonants (/b/, /d/, etc)...
[1]. I came across an interesting thread there. I was just about to resume research to try to locate Lake Prasias on the map today and identify the paprax and tilon fish species, and I found that thread using Google. I think I had also previously considered that paprax may have been the perch fish, when I was checking out what fish are common in lakes of the area. In fact I previously did more research on tilon/psilon also but I put those notes aside and I don't know where I put those notes. 76.208.174.102 ( talk) 01:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The identification of paprax and perch looks likely, and identifying tilon as the European chub, common current Greek name Tylinari, looks certain: the European chub is very easy to catch using angling techniques, and that sounds just like the easy-to-catch freshwater lake fish being caught by Paionians as described by Herodotus. 76.208.174.102 ( talk) 03:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)