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Would "solid" or "durable" be a better translation? Hard can also mean "difficult" and several other things. — Michael Z. 2005-09-9 18:45 Z
Michael Z: Hard means in English HARD. As in resistant to pressure, difficult to penetrate (see dictionary.com and others). Hard as in difficult is less approriate usage most suitable for children.
The only usage of "PT-91 Hardy" that I could find in the web is wikipedia. Same for "PT-91M Hardy". "Pt-91 Hard" does appear more often.
"Hardy" sounds awful and like a typical mistake made by Polish speakers attempting to create an English adjective from a Polish adjective. Hardy would seem to be the more appropriate form (as would "toughy") for a less than fluent Polish speaker who did not realize that hard means the same. Weapon supplier promotional materials are often rife with cringe-worthy errors.
Hardy would be translated as "wytrzymały" or "odporny"
Twardy can be translated as "hard" or "tough".
See also http://www.dict.pl/plen?word=twardy&lang=PL
As a note, I speak and write Polish and English fluently. -- Dustek 15:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The word "Hardy" is no a mistake. It's a Polish word (maybe with English roots...) means proud. It is a rather common word which means inflexible, resistan, haughty as well. I speak Polish very well :) Damian from Krakow
Micha: I cannot speak for Polish, but "hardy" definitely is an English word, unless you want to call the Oxford Dictionary an unreliable source. It means "tough" or "able to endure cold or difficult conditions". I think that settles it.
Hardy is a word both in Polish and English, it means different things. The guy above you Micha is right. I'd know, seeing as I speak both English and Polish fluently.
Twardy simply means hard. End of story whoever put the translation on the page does not speak Polish and I have no clue what source he is using. Gunter viezenz ( talk) 17:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Gunter from Silesia.
I can't tell from the article whether Hardy is a Polish nickname for the PT-91M version of the tank, or the English word hardy, meaning resilient, used as a translation of Twardy. — Michael Z. 2006-08-04 14:55 Z
Can somebody translate it? And include it? Trekphiler 13:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says, that the tanks ordered by Malaysia are ordinary PT-91, but AFAIK they get an improved version called the PT-91M. But I don't know, what kind of improvements these ones have.
It says in the infobox that the armour is [secret], but in the main picture, it looks as though it employs some kind of reactive armour, at least on the turret. Or is it something else? κаллэмакс 10:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not completely clear whether the PT-91 is a newly-built, modernized version of the T-72 design, or a refurbishment or rebuilding program being applied to old tanks in service. — Michael Z. 2006-02-20 02:03 Z
Why did you replace SESM by Renk? The powerpack is 100% a French development from SESM which is a subsidiary of Renk. But there is not any Renk Techonology in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.6.64.10 ( talk) 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Any battle history? Article implies that Pol is getting rid of old and expensive tanks, and who will end up with bad tanks is Ukraine, why delay the delivery of Leopard 2s so much?? Fritzz4321 ( talk) 16:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Would "solid" or "durable" be a better translation? Hard can also mean "difficult" and several other things. — Michael Z. 2005-09-9 18:45 Z
Michael Z: Hard means in English HARD. As in resistant to pressure, difficult to penetrate (see dictionary.com and others). Hard as in difficult is less approriate usage most suitable for children.
The only usage of "PT-91 Hardy" that I could find in the web is wikipedia. Same for "PT-91M Hardy". "Pt-91 Hard" does appear more often.
"Hardy" sounds awful and like a typical mistake made by Polish speakers attempting to create an English adjective from a Polish adjective. Hardy would seem to be the more appropriate form (as would "toughy") for a less than fluent Polish speaker who did not realize that hard means the same. Weapon supplier promotional materials are often rife with cringe-worthy errors.
Hardy would be translated as "wytrzymały" or "odporny"
Twardy can be translated as "hard" or "tough".
See also http://www.dict.pl/plen?word=twardy&lang=PL
As a note, I speak and write Polish and English fluently. -- Dustek 15:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The word "Hardy" is no a mistake. It's a Polish word (maybe with English roots...) means proud. It is a rather common word which means inflexible, resistan, haughty as well. I speak Polish very well :) Damian from Krakow
Micha: I cannot speak for Polish, but "hardy" definitely is an English word, unless you want to call the Oxford Dictionary an unreliable source. It means "tough" or "able to endure cold or difficult conditions". I think that settles it.
Hardy is a word both in Polish and English, it means different things. The guy above you Micha is right. I'd know, seeing as I speak both English and Polish fluently.
Twardy simply means hard. End of story whoever put the translation on the page does not speak Polish and I have no clue what source he is using. Gunter viezenz ( talk) 17:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Gunter from Silesia.
I can't tell from the article whether Hardy is a Polish nickname for the PT-91M version of the tank, or the English word hardy, meaning resilient, used as a translation of Twardy. — Michael Z. 2006-08-04 14:55 Z
Can somebody translate it? And include it? Trekphiler 13:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says, that the tanks ordered by Malaysia are ordinary PT-91, but AFAIK they get an improved version called the PT-91M. But I don't know, what kind of improvements these ones have.
It says in the infobox that the armour is [secret], but in the main picture, it looks as though it employs some kind of reactive armour, at least on the turret. Or is it something else? κаллэмакс 10:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not completely clear whether the PT-91 is a newly-built, modernized version of the T-72 design, or a refurbishment or rebuilding program being applied to old tanks in service. — Michael Z. 2006-02-20 02:03 Z
Why did you replace SESM by Renk? The powerpack is 100% a French development from SESM which is a subsidiary of Renk. But there is not any Renk Techonology in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.6.64.10 ( talk) 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Any battle history? Article implies that Pol is getting rid of old and expensive tanks, and who will end up with bad tanks is Ukraine, why delay the delivery of Leopard 2s so much?? Fritzz4321 ( talk) 16:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)