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This article began as almost pure conspiracy theory material. Although the most low grade sources have been removed, sourcing is still unacceptably poor. The article also ignores the extensive history of the entire Promis controversy, citing the flawed House Judiciary Committee report, omitting the three other government reports (described in the Inslaw article), and ignoring the Court of Federal Claims hearing and report which settled the Inslaw legal case.
Instead, it cites an NYT article (published the month before the CFC settled the case) which touts the 1997 Calvi and Pfister book, a recycled version of the 1992 Ari Ben-Menashe book. Neither of these books is reliable; Ben-Menashe is not reliable, Calvi/Pfister are not reliable.
Incredibly, NYT even cites an "article" from the Summer 1996 issue of "Conspiracy Nation", a text file zine published on USENET. This is not reliable, not acceptable!
I will come back to this article soon. Rgr09 ( talk) 12:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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Shouldn't it be mentioned in this article that secrets were stolen from the Los Alamos National Laboratory using PROMIS software? 204.11.186.190 ( talk) 18:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The article suffers from a basic problem. PROMIS was, and is, legal case management software. Why would intelligence agencies wish to buy such a thing? It offers no intelligence related functions at all. This is stated in the Dwyer Review of Judge Bua's Report, and was confirmed by the Court of Federal Claims which provided copies of the PROMIS code to a number of outside experts for review. All of this is referenced in the Inslaw article.
The description of the software in this article, however, follows the claims of Ari Ben-Menashe in his book Profits of War. As Dwyer (fn, p. 40) remarks, "his description of the power of the PROMIS program as "Big Brother-like" and a "monster" does not comport with reality. ... PROMIS is a case tracking software program used to index relevant information on pending cases. The suggestion that it could be used to "'keep track of everyone'" is patently absurd." This should be in the article. Rgr09 ( talk) 23:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article contains three entire sentences that are directly about the PROMIS software developed by Inslaw. The other three paragraphs are about the contract dispute and conspiracy allegations which are known as the Inslaw affair. There is very little to be known about company or the software that isn't actually about the Inslaw affair, so one option is to put it all in the same place. Inslaw affair currently redirects to Inslaw, so my ivote is to do the same with PROMIS (software). Another option is to merge only the three paragraphs that are not actually about the software, and replace them with a brief summary of the Inslaw affair using better sources. Thoughts? - Location ( talk) 07:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The article originally stated that "The media mogul and alleged Israeli spy Robert Maxwell was involved in selling the PROMIS software." This was sourced to an NYT article, but the article itself did not actually make this claim. Rather, it cited the Calvi Pfister book as making this claim. In fact, this claim comes direct from Ari Ben-Menashe, who not only made the claim in his own book, but was also a primary source for Calvi Pfister. This can be discussed under the Maxwell article, the Ben Menashe article, or in a number of other places, but does not below in the PROMIS article, no matter what the outcome of the merger proposal. Deleted. Rgr09 ( talk) 01:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't the FEMA MainCore database be mentioned in this article, if only briefly? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 04:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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This article began as almost pure conspiracy theory material. Although the most low grade sources have been removed, sourcing is still unacceptably poor. The article also ignores the extensive history of the entire Promis controversy, citing the flawed House Judiciary Committee report, omitting the three other government reports (described in the Inslaw article), and ignoring the Court of Federal Claims hearing and report which settled the Inslaw legal case.
Instead, it cites an NYT article (published the month before the CFC settled the case) which touts the 1997 Calvi and Pfister book, a recycled version of the 1992 Ari Ben-Menashe book. Neither of these books is reliable; Ben-Menashe is not reliable, Calvi/Pfister are not reliable.
Incredibly, NYT even cites an "article" from the Summer 1996 issue of "Conspiracy Nation", a text file zine published on USENET. This is not reliable, not acceptable!
I will come back to this article soon. Rgr09 ( talk) 12:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
References
Shouldn't it be mentioned in this article that secrets were stolen from the Los Alamos National Laboratory using PROMIS software? 204.11.186.190 ( talk) 18:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The article suffers from a basic problem. PROMIS was, and is, legal case management software. Why would intelligence agencies wish to buy such a thing? It offers no intelligence related functions at all. This is stated in the Dwyer Review of Judge Bua's Report, and was confirmed by the Court of Federal Claims which provided copies of the PROMIS code to a number of outside experts for review. All of this is referenced in the Inslaw article.
The description of the software in this article, however, follows the claims of Ari Ben-Menashe in his book Profits of War. As Dwyer (fn, p. 40) remarks, "his description of the power of the PROMIS program as "Big Brother-like" and a "monster" does not comport with reality. ... PROMIS is a case tracking software program used to index relevant information on pending cases. The suggestion that it could be used to "'keep track of everyone'" is patently absurd." This should be in the article. Rgr09 ( talk) 23:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article contains three entire sentences that are directly about the PROMIS software developed by Inslaw. The other three paragraphs are about the contract dispute and conspiracy allegations which are known as the Inslaw affair. There is very little to be known about company or the software that isn't actually about the Inslaw affair, so one option is to put it all in the same place. Inslaw affair currently redirects to Inslaw, so my ivote is to do the same with PROMIS (software). Another option is to merge only the three paragraphs that are not actually about the software, and replace them with a brief summary of the Inslaw affair using better sources. Thoughts? - Location ( talk) 07:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
The article originally stated that "The media mogul and alleged Israeli spy Robert Maxwell was involved in selling the PROMIS software." This was sourced to an NYT article, but the article itself did not actually make this claim. Rather, it cited the Calvi Pfister book as making this claim. In fact, this claim comes direct from Ari Ben-Menashe, who not only made the claim in his own book, but was also a primary source for Calvi Pfister. This can be discussed under the Maxwell article, the Ben Menashe article, or in a number of other places, but does not below in the PROMIS article, no matter what the outcome of the merger proposal. Deleted. Rgr09 ( talk) 01:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't the FEMA MainCore database be mentioned in this article, if only briefly? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 04:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)