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Hi I'd like to know how long does this work (meters? kilometers?).
Hi, I added very high quality image that i just shot with my Canon EOS 30D. I hope you like the high details.
Is the use of PMR446 legal in Russia, or is there an equivalent for private persons to use (such as during a trip in wilderness without mobile telephony coverage)? - 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 15:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Well? Is there or isn't there a digital mode? How widespread is it, which countries authorize it? It was hinted at in the article but in a very obscure way. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 18:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
It would seem unlikely that PMR446 HTs would be popular with North American ham operators, since they would not work with repeaters, have an unusual selection of fixed channels, they have a fixed antenna, rather low power compared to a ham HT, and a limited selection of accessories. Theoretically operable unde the amateur radio rules, but not common. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 18:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 12:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
PMR446 → PMR446 — This article is a duplicate, dPMR and PMR446. dPMR referred to here is simply a minor subset of dPMR radio called dPMR446. Vharywolf ( talk) 10:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The problem is that if I search 'dPMR' if gives the PMR446 page? dPMR is not PMR446. There is a subset of dPMR called dPMR446 but dPMR itself need a much more complete explanation. dPMR should not re-direct here. -- Vharywolf ( talk) 12:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
This statement was added by an IP editor, and reverted by a bot. It was unsourced, so I've moved it here for discussion:
What about licensing fees in this article, anyways? -- Lexein ( talk) 06:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The world seems to be very little here. What about south america, japan, china... and maaany others... — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.145.208.151 (
talk)
16:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
You know, if someone had said "These channel spacings at 125 kHz, not 12.5 kHz, and we need an extra 0 in the frequencies", I wouldn't have reverted this so many times. Nearly always, unexplained number tweaks are vandalism - it really helps to leave an edit comment to explain your changes. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 17:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Why do Norway and Sweden have KDR 444 short-distance radio services, in addition to PMR? These are very similar to PMR 446 and seem to be unique to the Scandanavian penninsula. The Norwegian telecoms regulator says the bulletin for KDR 444 was issued in 2003, which must be after the establishment of PMR. Does anyone know why this additional service was needed? -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 21:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
PMR446 no longer requires a fixed antenna(in the uk at least). But the erp must not exceed 500mW.
Repeaters are indeed not allowed, but gateways are not ruled out(in the uk at least).
Handheld kit is not all thats allowed. There are desktop units such as the intec 5070
82.5.62.244 ( talk) 23:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
p.s This procedure is odd. Even now im not sure if I'm doing this right. What is wrong with a forum displayed in the usual manner.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/licence-exempt-devices/Analogue_and_Digital_PMR4461.pdf
That's the current guidance from Ofcom. It corroborates the point about the antenna not needing to be permanently attached to the device, but it specifically mentions that "an Internet Gateway, is unlikely to meet the licence-exempt operation requirements". It also says that equipment must be used on a mobile basis only, but it doesn't specify what mobile means. I think it's safe to say that anything connected to the mains [eg an Intek DRS5070], a PC as an internet gateway or a an antenna attached to a building is not mobile. 87.194.156.49 ( talk) 21:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
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Is the above true? The applicable EEC directive (ECC/DEC/(15)05) says:
"..that all PMR 446 equipment is hand portable and shall use only integral antenna and an effective radiated power not exceeding 500 mW, while any base station, repeater or fixed infrastructure use is excluded."
"Hand Portable" is defined (by EC directive) as "equipment fitted with an integral antenna, normally used on a stand-alone basis, to be carried on a person or held in the hand." That Ofcom regulations are a but of a muddle is no surprise. Ofcom's November 2015 revised information can be found here:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/85156/ir_2009_analogue_and_digita1.pdf
Of course you can buy or make a non-portable transceiver that will operate on PMR frequencies and power, although you can't sell it as PMR compliant. Ofcom seems to be saying that you *could* be nicked if you actually use it.
F J Leonhardt 12:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Added link to ECC decision (15)05 from 3. July of 2015. which changes the regulatory aspect a bit. It would be good is someone who know what he's going could go through the article and update it to correspond to the newest standard. 78.53.174.125 ( talk) 13:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
A recent edit added units to every single figure in the frequency tables. I think this isn't the norm, as seen at Frequency_allocation. Please can somebody shed some light on this area of formatting? I can't find any specific examples in the style guide. hrf ( talk) 16:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
The current article says:
However Canal77 says:
I guess this is not authoritative enough, but somebody may want to find a proper reference and include it in the article.-- Error ( talk) 10:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
How do drone pilots operate PMR446 radios? I imagine that piloting requires both hands. Voice-activated? -- Error ( talk) 10:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hi I'd like to know how long does this work (meters? kilometers?).
Hi, I added very high quality image that i just shot with my Canon EOS 30D. I hope you like the high details.
Is the use of PMR446 legal in Russia, or is there an equivalent for private persons to use (such as during a trip in wilderness without mobile telephony coverage)? - 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 15:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Well? Is there or isn't there a digital mode? How widespread is it, which countries authorize it? It was hinted at in the article but in a very obscure way. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 18:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
It would seem unlikely that PMR446 HTs would be popular with North American ham operators, since they would not work with repeaters, have an unusual selection of fixed channels, they have a fixed antenna, rather low power compared to a ham HT, and a limited selection of accessories. Theoretically operable unde the amateur radio rules, but not common. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 18:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 12:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
PMR446 → PMR446 — This article is a duplicate, dPMR and PMR446. dPMR referred to here is simply a minor subset of dPMR radio called dPMR446. Vharywolf ( talk) 10:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The problem is that if I search 'dPMR' if gives the PMR446 page? dPMR is not PMR446. There is a subset of dPMR called dPMR446 but dPMR itself need a much more complete explanation. dPMR should not re-direct here. -- Vharywolf ( talk) 12:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
This statement was added by an IP editor, and reverted by a bot. It was unsourced, so I've moved it here for discussion:
What about licensing fees in this article, anyways? -- Lexein ( talk) 06:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The world seems to be very little here. What about south america, japan, china... and maaany others... — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.145.208.151 (
talk)
16:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
You know, if someone had said "These channel spacings at 125 kHz, not 12.5 kHz, and we need an extra 0 in the frequencies", I wouldn't have reverted this so many times. Nearly always, unexplained number tweaks are vandalism - it really helps to leave an edit comment to explain your changes. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 17:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Why do Norway and Sweden have KDR 444 short-distance radio services, in addition to PMR? These are very similar to PMR 446 and seem to be unique to the Scandanavian penninsula. The Norwegian telecoms regulator says the bulletin for KDR 444 was issued in 2003, which must be after the establishment of PMR. Does anyone know why this additional service was needed? -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 21:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
PMR446 no longer requires a fixed antenna(in the uk at least). But the erp must not exceed 500mW.
Repeaters are indeed not allowed, but gateways are not ruled out(in the uk at least).
Handheld kit is not all thats allowed. There are desktop units such as the intec 5070
82.5.62.244 ( talk) 23:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
p.s This procedure is odd. Even now im not sure if I'm doing this right. What is wrong with a forum displayed in the usual manner.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/licence-exempt-devices/Analogue_and_Digital_PMR4461.pdf
That's the current guidance from Ofcom. It corroborates the point about the antenna not needing to be permanently attached to the device, but it specifically mentions that "an Internet Gateway, is unlikely to meet the licence-exempt operation requirements". It also says that equipment must be used on a mobile basis only, but it doesn't specify what mobile means. I think it's safe to say that anything connected to the mains [eg an Intek DRS5070], a PC as an internet gateway or a an antenna attached to a building is not mobile. 87.194.156.49 ( talk) 21:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
—
Is the above true? The applicable EEC directive (ECC/DEC/(15)05) says:
"..that all PMR 446 equipment is hand portable and shall use only integral antenna and an effective radiated power not exceeding 500 mW, while any base station, repeater or fixed infrastructure use is excluded."
"Hand Portable" is defined (by EC directive) as "equipment fitted with an integral antenna, normally used on a stand-alone basis, to be carried on a person or held in the hand." That Ofcom regulations are a but of a muddle is no surprise. Ofcom's November 2015 revised information can be found here:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/85156/ir_2009_analogue_and_digita1.pdf
Of course you can buy or make a non-portable transceiver that will operate on PMR frequencies and power, although you can't sell it as PMR compliant. Ofcom seems to be saying that you *could* be nicked if you actually use it.
F J Leonhardt 12:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Added link to ECC decision (15)05 from 3. July of 2015. which changes the regulatory aspect a bit. It would be good is someone who know what he's going could go through the article and update it to correspond to the newest standard. 78.53.174.125 ( talk) 13:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
A recent edit added units to every single figure in the frequency tables. I think this isn't the norm, as seen at Frequency_allocation. Please can somebody shed some light on this area of formatting? I can't find any specific examples in the style guide. hrf ( talk) 16:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
The current article says:
However Canal77 says:
I guess this is not authoritative enough, but somebody may want to find a proper reference and include it in the article.-- Error ( talk) 10:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
How do drone pilots operate PMR446 radios? I imagine that piloting requires both hands. Voice-activated? -- Error ( talk) 10:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)