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Created PH2 b talk page - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 23:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, the confirmed exoplanet PH2 b is in the " Habitable zone".( [1]
One cited reference in the PH2 b article suggests that a "Jupiter-size world" ( PH2 b?) could "potentially be habitable." [2]
This was originally stated in the PH2 b Wikipedia article but has been reverted by two editors: Roentgenium111 with a reason and by Nergaal without a reason. The reason for the reversion given by Roentgenium111 is as follows: ("correct - the absurd habitability claim is (self-)contradicted by the space.com article itself: "Ph2 b is considered much too large to host life." It could only have habitable moons...")
However, the statement ("Ph2 b is considered much too large to host life.") seems to have been written by the magazine writer (Elizabeth Howell) and does *not* seem to have been presented by the scientists: after all, there is no citation for the sentence; Ms Howell, the writer, does not quote the scientists and a search of the original arXiv article does not reveal any mention of the notion (directly or indirectly) as far as I can see.
For myself at the moment, the notion of a planet being in the " Habitable zone" may make the existence of life (as we know it) more likely - such a planet being large (or even being gaseous) should not make hosting life forms less likely. Is there something I may be overlooking?
Any help in better understanding this issue would be greatly appreciated - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 02:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
@ Roentgenium111 - Thank you for your comments - re "outweighing" claim => several responses (after a casual internet search) are as follows:
ALSO - seems Carl Sagan thought Life could exist on gas giant planets, including Jupiter itself. [3]
ALSO - seems PH2 b is "Jupiter-size" but is it really a gas giant? - the original arXiv reference doesn't seem to include mass or density data.
ALSO - is there some reliable reference(s) that microbes *cannot* live on a Habitable zone planet that is a large size? - or airborne microbes, perhaps seeded via panspermia and perhaps in an ok-pressure zone of the atmosphere, *cannot* live on a Habitable zone planet that is gaseous and has no surface?
ALSO - re the writer's statement => you seem to be side-stepping the issue - from the original "too large" statement to a "habitability" claim instead - and making a "presumption" - which may (or may not) be true of course - writers are known to mis-state words and/or ideas => the recent go-round re the Mars Curiosity Rover where the statement of John Grotzinger ( MSL Principal Investigator), that some released data is " gonna be one for the history books" becomes, in the words of one magazine writer, " earth-shaking", comes to mind at the moment - there may be other examples.
In any regards - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 19:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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FWIW - PH2b now officially designated as Kepler-86b - Added Kepler-86, Kepler 86, Kepler-86b, Kepler 86b Redirects to PH2 - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 12:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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Created PH2 b talk page - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 23:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, the confirmed exoplanet PH2 b is in the " Habitable zone".( [1]
One cited reference in the PH2 b article suggests that a "Jupiter-size world" ( PH2 b?) could "potentially be habitable." [2]
This was originally stated in the PH2 b Wikipedia article but has been reverted by two editors: Roentgenium111 with a reason and by Nergaal without a reason. The reason for the reversion given by Roentgenium111 is as follows: ("correct - the absurd habitability claim is (self-)contradicted by the space.com article itself: "Ph2 b is considered much too large to host life." It could only have habitable moons...")
However, the statement ("Ph2 b is considered much too large to host life.") seems to have been written by the magazine writer (Elizabeth Howell) and does *not* seem to have been presented by the scientists: after all, there is no citation for the sentence; Ms Howell, the writer, does not quote the scientists and a search of the original arXiv article does not reveal any mention of the notion (directly or indirectly) as far as I can see.
For myself at the moment, the notion of a planet being in the " Habitable zone" may make the existence of life (as we know it) more likely - such a planet being large (or even being gaseous) should not make hosting life forms less likely. Is there something I may be overlooking?
Any help in better understanding this issue would be greatly appreciated - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 02:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
@ Roentgenium111 - Thank you for your comments - re "outweighing" claim => several responses (after a casual internet search) are as follows:
ALSO - seems Carl Sagan thought Life could exist on gas giant planets, including Jupiter itself. [3]
ALSO - seems PH2 b is "Jupiter-size" but is it really a gas giant? - the original arXiv reference doesn't seem to include mass or density data.
ALSO - is there some reliable reference(s) that microbes *cannot* live on a Habitable zone planet that is a large size? - or airborne microbes, perhaps seeded via panspermia and perhaps in an ok-pressure zone of the atmosphere, *cannot* live on a Habitable zone planet that is gaseous and has no surface?
ALSO - re the writer's statement => you seem to be side-stepping the issue - from the original "too large" statement to a "habitability" claim instead - and making a "presumption" - which may (or may not) be true of course - writers are known to mis-state words and/or ideas => the recent go-round re the Mars Curiosity Rover where the statement of John Grotzinger ( MSL Principal Investigator), that some released data is " gonna be one for the history books" becomes, in the words of one magazine writer, " earth-shaking", comes to mind at the moment - there may be other examples.
In any regards - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 19:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
References
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cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: date and year (
link)
FWIW - PH2b now officially designated as Kepler-86b - Added Kepler-86, Kepler 86, Kepler-86b, Kepler 86b Redirects to PH2 - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 12:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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