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This reads like it was written by the organization in question. Examples "is one of the premier engineering colleges", "is one of the highest ranked private colleges in Karnataka and a very coveted engineering college". I feel these should be removed. and replaced with more generic descriptions of the university SusanLarson 20:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)-- Required changes were made and hence the comment removed. hope this answers the question asked below, wat say?
Isnt it funny that even a discussion on the article is not permitted by the college ? (Check the history of this discussion and note the people at one particular IP address atttempting to remove entries here). How shameful.
That was me cleaning up the vandalism on this page. I didn't have a wikipedia account before and I didn't think about posting a notice here about the changes I made. Sorry about that. Munim2020 ( talk) 16:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
hey sign ur posts goddamit! mark antek is a troll,he has been vandalising intentionally or unintentionally the PESIT page. wikipedia is not a place for advertisement or trade.So,please amke ur comments only abt the collg,dont make comments like"join at ur own risk". and i dont think resedential facilities need to be mentioned in the page.-- Jayanthv86 18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
The talk page is supposed to keep a history of the discussion carried out while creating the page. In case something is fixed - you add a reply to the earlier comment - not just remove it. -- Sir Titus 08:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
i have removed some more unwanted information. the artcle looks more like a advertisement to the collg.
Is there a company called Veerappan's Gang? Or is it the work of a vandal?? Can I revert this change?
I removed this "company". Its inclusion is obviously vandalism. I am new to Wikipedia. Sorry if I am breaching any form of etiquette. -- George
The article still reads like an advertisement flyer. Citations are missing. The faculty section has horrible weasel words. I've added the appropriate tags. If a balanced opinion cannot be presented I would suggest the tags remain.
someone removed the post about the dataquest ranking of 2006.. even a link to the official ranking was given... i had also put up the results of the 2007 results but i couldn't find the official results on the internet. if someone finds the link, please add the dataquest 2007 rating along with the URL.
Amarrg - please avoid heavy handed, judgmental editing. Your removal of almost all cultural activity references, rather than tagging them with {{cite}},is contrary to the way things are done on WP. If you have doubts about notability, say so on the talk page. Refrain from using terms like "adspace for budding rock-groups". In your haste, you removed a reference that has its own article on WP, and that has survived several Notability-challenges from over-eager editors. If you would like to be helpful and improve the article, search for and provide references. If you cannot find any, tag the item with {{cite}} - do not blindly remove something - someone else may be able to provide references. Achitnis ( talk) 14:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
While the college did make its mark on the news because of its recently enforced disciplinary measures (the infraction slips and the cards), I don't think this can be classified as "encyclopedic" information. I may be wrong though. Lets discuss about this and post your thoughts here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.247.216.130 ( talk) 16:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems some people have a very wrong idea about what is classified as encyclopedic knowledge. It doesn't matter what negative views you hear about PESIT from the local students of Bangalore.. It is just the opinion of some of the students here. I am a student of PESIT since early 2004 and this is what I have to say about these recent comments:
The college also enforces students to be either in class or outside campus so as to "hold up" the reputation of the college. The principal of the college can be seen harassing students not attending class during class hours, being indifferent to any reasons. The college replicates some organizations which can be seen as similar to a communist regime, with little or no voice given to students' opinions. Any suggestions or complaints are often taken as offense and the students are harassed.
This is entirely untrue. I know this from personal experience. The college management always lend a ear to the student's queries if the students go and address their issues to them. I have personally disturbed Dr Jawahar late in the evenings and he has always been kind and hospitable to me. He has listened to my issues and rants, offered solutions and promised their delivery. And trust me, he has delivered. The principal, HODs and other management members are also very approachable.
The college lacks the basic sanitary measures in the bathrooms, resulting in foul smell.
The 2 older blocks have less than average sanitary facilities, but it is a pleasure to relieve oneself in the bathrooms in the newer blocks. And again, does the wikipedia page really need to have this information?
The structure of teaching is such that professors play the role of teachers, and thus, lacking in the basic communication skills required.
The professors are atleast at par with the professors of other engineering colleges of Bangalore, if not better. With respect to the communication skills, in most cases, it is the students who lack the ability to listen and concentrate. Again, there MAY be professors who are not upto the mark, but then again, this is not supposed to be mentioned on the wikipedia page of the institute.
Teaching is done in English but switches constantly to the local language Kannada, thereby thwarting the development of students from other areas.
There are a few teachers who sometimes engage in conversing with the students in Kannada, but this is limited to jokes and other personal or unimportant banter. These things help the teachers to get along with the local students. The lecture is always delivered in English.
The teachers often play the role a of dictator or a primary school teacher by shouting / yelling at students, personally insulting students, threatening to inform the parents of adult students, or chalk throwing.
This is the most ridiculous of all the comments posted recently. Most of the teachers remain composed even when facing the most loud and misbehaving class. Sometimes they crack under pressure and discipline the students causing trouble. There are almost no cases of personal insults and threats and physical action.
They can also been seen answering personal phone calls during class room hours, even though it is banned from college by the VTU.
While this may be true in very few cases, it again doesn't classify as encyclopedic knowledge. Some teachers carry their phones to class because they often have other work outside the bounds of the classroom, like consulting work in other IT companies. Cases where they attend to personal calls are extremely rare, and these cases can be reported to the Head of Department or the Principal and action will be taken.
The college is also known to thwart innovative ideas in the cultural department, and lacks any sort of student council in order for its further development.
One of the reasons why the management is against the formation of any student council is because they don't want to students to waste their time in political activities and concentrate on what is important: learning. The principal, heads of department, the director and the management of the college are very approachable and always lend a ear to the students issues. I know this from personal experience. I have troubled the principal and Dr. Jawahar late in the night a couple of times and they always listened to me.
Pesit is well known throught the community as a "jail" or primary school, due to the lack or personal choice given to students' attire. They have been quite successful in developing students into "drones" or robots due to the stringent enforcing of rules. Any student breaking the simplest of rules such as no. 2 on the list is clearly warned by the principal to either follow the rules, or will be given a TC to switch colleges.The pes boys hostel is one of the worst places to live in.They dont give you space even to breathe.Its more like a mental and physical torture to the students and the parents.
These are again all opinions of the disgruntled students of the college. You can go and talk to any third year or fourth year student in the college who is has an active social life and is adequately serious about his studies and you will never hear about her complaining about these issues. And once again, this is not something which should be mentioned in wikiedpia. The strict dress code is an issue though. I have lived in the PES Boys Hostel for 4 years. While some of the rules are unconventionally strict, it is very comfortable and one of my best life experiences living in the hostel. This is the opinion of every "normal" student who has spent some considerable time in the hostel. Students don't become drones and robots due to the college rules.. It is the upbringing and the schooling in her earlier years which determine her attitude. PES has some alumni who have made it very big. I know students who are currently studying in PES who have started entrepreneurship and their own ventures. Hardly "robotic". Infact, the college has a special cell which helps students with entrepreneurship and bringing their ideas into reality.
Sorry if I went a little overboard with my comments.
Needless to say, I am removing these comments from the page. Any further discussions can take place here.
Munim2020 ( talk) 14:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I actually managed to find out who the "vandal" and i had a heated argument about this with him. He maintains that some of the things he mentioned were true, if not put up in the right way. I have decided to start a criticism section where I will address all the points in the proper manner.
Hope that's okay.
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" The B - Block: This was a block constructed for unknown reasons but was brought down by the hurricane Katrina. ".
This is impossible in Bangalore. Please feel free to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.223.84 ( talk) 15:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC) Citing
"This is entirely untrue. I know this from personal experience. The college management always lend a ear to the student's queries if the students go and address their issues to them. I have personally disturbed Dr Jawahar late in the evenings and he has always been kind and hospitable to me. He has listened to my issues and rants, offered solutions and promised their delivery. And trust me, he has delivered. The principal, HODs and other management members are also very approachable."
I'm not sure if you understand the purpose of an encyclopedia, but it definitely does not exist to record personal experiences. Autobiographies exist to serve that purpose. If you cannot come up with independently verifiable facts (I would suggest that you look up the meaning of these words), you should reserve these opinions of yours in a mouthpiece.
This article needs substantial cleanup and addition of references. Unencyclopedic, non-notable information like the entire section "Disciplinary Measures in PESIT: Infraction Slips:" should probably be removed. We need to add reliable secondary sources and improve the quality of the article. Hopefully somebody can take this task. To get secondary references, use this google news search. There are very good notable events and achievements that can be added instead of concentrating on mundane things. All the best. -- Rvian00 ( talk) 16:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I have moved the page to P.E.S Institute of Technology, because that is the common name, and according to WP:COMMONNAME, it should be this way. Please state any objections. MikeLynch ( talk) 06:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I have changed the logo...high time it was done. Sunfinite ( talk) 16:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
It is clear from no. of references that the establishment date for PESIT is 1972 not 1988. Amar Kumar ( talk) 09:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC) so ppl plz maintain correct information.. TY :)
Yeah, but that information seems to be half correct. The establishment date that you are talking about is for B.E. only check [1]. as you well know the college includes all departments like MBA, MCA, BBM. How can we arrive at a date of BE commencement as estb. date. Perhaps it needs a better clarification. Correct me if i am wrong. TY :) your suggestions are most welcome. Amar Kumar ( talk) 14:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know that. Amar Kumar ( talk) 03:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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This reads like it was written by the organization in question. Examples "is one of the premier engineering colleges", "is one of the highest ranked private colleges in Karnataka and a very coveted engineering college". I feel these should be removed. and replaced with more generic descriptions of the university SusanLarson 20:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)-- Required changes were made and hence the comment removed. hope this answers the question asked below, wat say?
Isnt it funny that even a discussion on the article is not permitted by the college ? (Check the history of this discussion and note the people at one particular IP address atttempting to remove entries here). How shameful.
That was me cleaning up the vandalism on this page. I didn't have a wikipedia account before and I didn't think about posting a notice here about the changes I made. Sorry about that. Munim2020 ( talk) 16:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
hey sign ur posts goddamit! mark antek is a troll,he has been vandalising intentionally or unintentionally the PESIT page. wikipedia is not a place for advertisement or trade.So,please amke ur comments only abt the collg,dont make comments like"join at ur own risk". and i dont think resedential facilities need to be mentioned in the page.-- Jayanthv86 18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
The talk page is supposed to keep a history of the discussion carried out while creating the page. In case something is fixed - you add a reply to the earlier comment - not just remove it. -- Sir Titus 08:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
i have removed some more unwanted information. the artcle looks more like a advertisement to the collg.
Is there a company called Veerappan's Gang? Or is it the work of a vandal?? Can I revert this change?
I removed this "company". Its inclusion is obviously vandalism. I am new to Wikipedia. Sorry if I am breaching any form of etiquette. -- George
The article still reads like an advertisement flyer. Citations are missing. The faculty section has horrible weasel words. I've added the appropriate tags. If a balanced opinion cannot be presented I would suggest the tags remain.
someone removed the post about the dataquest ranking of 2006.. even a link to the official ranking was given... i had also put up the results of the 2007 results but i couldn't find the official results on the internet. if someone finds the link, please add the dataquest 2007 rating along with the URL.
Amarrg - please avoid heavy handed, judgmental editing. Your removal of almost all cultural activity references, rather than tagging them with {{cite}},is contrary to the way things are done on WP. If you have doubts about notability, say so on the talk page. Refrain from using terms like "adspace for budding rock-groups". In your haste, you removed a reference that has its own article on WP, and that has survived several Notability-challenges from over-eager editors. If you would like to be helpful and improve the article, search for and provide references. If you cannot find any, tag the item with {{cite}} - do not blindly remove something - someone else may be able to provide references. Achitnis ( talk) 14:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
While the college did make its mark on the news because of its recently enforced disciplinary measures (the infraction slips and the cards), I don't think this can be classified as "encyclopedic" information. I may be wrong though. Lets discuss about this and post your thoughts here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.247.216.130 ( talk) 16:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems some people have a very wrong idea about what is classified as encyclopedic knowledge. It doesn't matter what negative views you hear about PESIT from the local students of Bangalore.. It is just the opinion of some of the students here. I am a student of PESIT since early 2004 and this is what I have to say about these recent comments:
The college also enforces students to be either in class or outside campus so as to "hold up" the reputation of the college. The principal of the college can be seen harassing students not attending class during class hours, being indifferent to any reasons. The college replicates some organizations which can be seen as similar to a communist regime, with little or no voice given to students' opinions. Any suggestions or complaints are often taken as offense and the students are harassed.
This is entirely untrue. I know this from personal experience. The college management always lend a ear to the student's queries if the students go and address their issues to them. I have personally disturbed Dr Jawahar late in the evenings and he has always been kind and hospitable to me. He has listened to my issues and rants, offered solutions and promised their delivery. And trust me, he has delivered. The principal, HODs and other management members are also very approachable.
The college lacks the basic sanitary measures in the bathrooms, resulting in foul smell.
The 2 older blocks have less than average sanitary facilities, but it is a pleasure to relieve oneself in the bathrooms in the newer blocks. And again, does the wikipedia page really need to have this information?
The structure of teaching is such that professors play the role of teachers, and thus, lacking in the basic communication skills required.
The professors are atleast at par with the professors of other engineering colleges of Bangalore, if not better. With respect to the communication skills, in most cases, it is the students who lack the ability to listen and concentrate. Again, there MAY be professors who are not upto the mark, but then again, this is not supposed to be mentioned on the wikipedia page of the institute.
Teaching is done in English but switches constantly to the local language Kannada, thereby thwarting the development of students from other areas.
There are a few teachers who sometimes engage in conversing with the students in Kannada, but this is limited to jokes and other personal or unimportant banter. These things help the teachers to get along with the local students. The lecture is always delivered in English.
The teachers often play the role a of dictator or a primary school teacher by shouting / yelling at students, personally insulting students, threatening to inform the parents of adult students, or chalk throwing.
This is the most ridiculous of all the comments posted recently. Most of the teachers remain composed even when facing the most loud and misbehaving class. Sometimes they crack under pressure and discipline the students causing trouble. There are almost no cases of personal insults and threats and physical action.
They can also been seen answering personal phone calls during class room hours, even though it is banned from college by the VTU.
While this may be true in very few cases, it again doesn't classify as encyclopedic knowledge. Some teachers carry their phones to class because they often have other work outside the bounds of the classroom, like consulting work in other IT companies. Cases where they attend to personal calls are extremely rare, and these cases can be reported to the Head of Department or the Principal and action will be taken.
The college is also known to thwart innovative ideas in the cultural department, and lacks any sort of student council in order for its further development.
One of the reasons why the management is against the formation of any student council is because they don't want to students to waste their time in political activities and concentrate on what is important: learning. The principal, heads of department, the director and the management of the college are very approachable and always lend a ear to the students issues. I know this from personal experience. I have troubled the principal and Dr. Jawahar late in the night a couple of times and they always listened to me.
Pesit is well known throught the community as a "jail" or primary school, due to the lack or personal choice given to students' attire. They have been quite successful in developing students into "drones" or robots due to the stringent enforcing of rules. Any student breaking the simplest of rules such as no. 2 on the list is clearly warned by the principal to either follow the rules, or will be given a TC to switch colleges.The pes boys hostel is one of the worst places to live in.They dont give you space even to breathe.Its more like a mental and physical torture to the students and the parents.
These are again all opinions of the disgruntled students of the college. You can go and talk to any third year or fourth year student in the college who is has an active social life and is adequately serious about his studies and you will never hear about her complaining about these issues. And once again, this is not something which should be mentioned in wikiedpia. The strict dress code is an issue though. I have lived in the PES Boys Hostel for 4 years. While some of the rules are unconventionally strict, it is very comfortable and one of my best life experiences living in the hostel. This is the opinion of every "normal" student who has spent some considerable time in the hostel. Students don't become drones and robots due to the college rules.. It is the upbringing and the schooling in her earlier years which determine her attitude. PES has some alumni who have made it very big. I know students who are currently studying in PES who have started entrepreneurship and their own ventures. Hardly "robotic". Infact, the college has a special cell which helps students with entrepreneurship and bringing their ideas into reality.
Sorry if I went a little overboard with my comments.
Needless to say, I am removing these comments from the page. Any further discussions can take place here.
Munim2020 ( talk) 14:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I actually managed to find out who the "vandal" and i had a heated argument about this with him. He maintains that some of the things he mentioned were true, if not put up in the right way. I have decided to start a criticism section where I will address all the points in the proper manner.
Hope that's okay.
Munim2020 (
talk)
21:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Citing
" The B - Block: This was a block constructed for unknown reasons but was brought down by the hurricane Katrina. ".
This is impossible in Bangalore. Please feel free to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.223.84 ( talk) 15:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC) Citing
"This is entirely untrue. I know this from personal experience. The college management always lend a ear to the student's queries if the students go and address their issues to them. I have personally disturbed Dr Jawahar late in the evenings and he has always been kind and hospitable to me. He has listened to my issues and rants, offered solutions and promised their delivery. And trust me, he has delivered. The principal, HODs and other management members are also very approachable."
I'm not sure if you understand the purpose of an encyclopedia, but it definitely does not exist to record personal experiences. Autobiographies exist to serve that purpose. If you cannot come up with independently verifiable facts (I would suggest that you look up the meaning of these words), you should reserve these opinions of yours in a mouthpiece.
This article needs substantial cleanup and addition of references. Unencyclopedic, non-notable information like the entire section "Disciplinary Measures in PESIT: Infraction Slips:" should probably be removed. We need to add reliable secondary sources and improve the quality of the article. Hopefully somebody can take this task. To get secondary references, use this google news search. There are very good notable events and achievements that can be added instead of concentrating on mundane things. All the best. -- Rvian00 ( talk) 16:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I have moved the page to P.E.S Institute of Technology, because that is the common name, and according to WP:COMMONNAME, it should be this way. Please state any objections. MikeLynch ( talk) 06:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I have changed the logo...high time it was done. Sunfinite ( talk) 16:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
It is clear from no. of references that the establishment date for PESIT is 1972 not 1988. Amar Kumar ( talk) 09:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC) so ppl plz maintain correct information.. TY :)
Yeah, but that information seems to be half correct. The establishment date that you are talking about is for B.E. only check [1]. as you well know the college includes all departments like MBA, MCA, BBM. How can we arrive at a date of BE commencement as estb. date. Perhaps it needs a better clarification. Correct me if i am wrong. TY :) your suggestions are most welcome. Amar Kumar ( talk) 14:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know that. Amar Kumar ( talk) 03:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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