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This article requires considerable revision; even the date of Ulmanis' coup is incorrect (it took place on the night of May 15-16, 1934, not 1933). The question of Pērkonkrusts' collaboration with the Nazis is complex and is discussed in detail by Andrew Ezergailis, the author of The Holocaust in Latvia, here. The leaders of Sonderkommando Arajs were not members of Pērkonkrusts, and only about a dozen of the men under Arājs were. The relationship between the 1990s extremist group that took the name and the original group was virtually non-existent. Pērkonkrusts did not "suggest a Latvian religion" so much as look to Dievturība, a pagan revival. There is nothing "ironic" about Pērkonkrusts being anti-German; it was a virulently ethnocentric, Latvian group whilst the Nazis were devoted to German hegemony. Etc., etc. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 02:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
About the Russian Mission's “Involvement of the Lettish SS Legion in War Crimes in 1941-1945 and the Attempts to Revise the Verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal in Latvia”--The Russian government continues to "convict" the Latvian SS at Nuremberg; when in fact the Waffen-SS in Eastern Europe were largely illegally conscripted and were not the same as Hitler's convicted Waffen-SS: the SS convicted in Nuremberg had nothing to do with the "SS" in Eastern Europe, including the Latvian SS. The notion that Latvia is trying to rehabilitate those convicted in Nuremberg is simply false. I suggest removing it as a reference and any information that it contained. -- Pēters 07:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Everything related to Pērkonkrusts seems to redirect to this article. In fact, Pērkonkrusts is the Latvian word for Swastika and as such an article on the symbol Pērkonkrusts should be created with that name. This article should be renamed to the official name of the fascist organization since Pērkonkrusts is only its nickname. Latvian Wikipedia has an article on Pērkonkrusts (Latviešu Tautas Apvienība), which is the correct title that could be translated into English. -- Philaweb 13:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Pēters. As can be seen, I'm trying hard to improve this article through intensive procrastination from my "real" work! As for the disambiguation issue, there is already an underdeveloped section Swastika#Baltic. And with "Nazi airplanes", the similar Finnish case is discussed in Swastika#Finland. Would it perhaps not be better to improve the information on the Baltic symbol within Swastika first, before separate, in-depth articles are created on specific Latvian-related sub-topics? — Zalktis ( talk) 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
See also Western use of the Swastika in the early 20th century#Latvia — Zalktis ( talk) 11:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I've made it so that Ugunskrusts no longer redirects here, but is a disambiguation. Unlike pērkonkrusts, from my lessons in Latvian folklore as a lad in Toronto I seem to recall that ugunskrusts was the more common name used for the Latvian swastika ... perhaps due to it being less politically compromised? — Zalktis ( talk) 09:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I've re-added some of the allegedly "disputed" material with proper sources. Generally, the article is now quite well referenced. If you have a dispute or think a reference is required, flag/tag that sentence or section, not the whole article, please! — Zalktis ( talk) 16:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I guesed that only "forbidden symbol" far-right wing activist would use would be swatika, which shouldn't be forbidden as it is used in Latvian folklore, so I googled for Šiškins and found that the court turned down the case for having no substance ( according to this blog) ~~ Xil * 18:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
A red swastika on a white roundel. Anything to do with this political party? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.2.56 ( talk) 11:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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This article requires considerable revision; even the date of Ulmanis' coup is incorrect (it took place on the night of May 15-16, 1934, not 1933). The question of Pērkonkrusts' collaboration with the Nazis is complex and is discussed in detail by Andrew Ezergailis, the author of The Holocaust in Latvia, here. The leaders of Sonderkommando Arajs were not members of Pērkonkrusts, and only about a dozen of the men under Arājs were. The relationship between the 1990s extremist group that took the name and the original group was virtually non-existent. Pērkonkrusts did not "suggest a Latvian religion" so much as look to Dievturība, a pagan revival. There is nothing "ironic" about Pērkonkrusts being anti-German; it was a virulently ethnocentric, Latvian group whilst the Nazis were devoted to German hegemony. Etc., etc. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 02:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
About the Russian Mission's “Involvement of the Lettish SS Legion in War Crimes in 1941-1945 and the Attempts to Revise the Verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal in Latvia”--The Russian government continues to "convict" the Latvian SS at Nuremberg; when in fact the Waffen-SS in Eastern Europe were largely illegally conscripted and were not the same as Hitler's convicted Waffen-SS: the SS convicted in Nuremberg had nothing to do with the "SS" in Eastern Europe, including the Latvian SS. The notion that Latvia is trying to rehabilitate those convicted in Nuremberg is simply false. I suggest removing it as a reference and any information that it contained. -- Pēters 07:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Everything related to Pērkonkrusts seems to redirect to this article. In fact, Pērkonkrusts is the Latvian word for Swastika and as such an article on the symbol Pērkonkrusts should be created with that name. This article should be renamed to the official name of the fascist organization since Pērkonkrusts is only its nickname. Latvian Wikipedia has an article on Pērkonkrusts (Latviešu Tautas Apvienība), which is the correct title that could be translated into English. -- Philaweb 13:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Pēters. As can be seen, I'm trying hard to improve this article through intensive procrastination from my "real" work! As for the disambiguation issue, there is already an underdeveloped section Swastika#Baltic. And with "Nazi airplanes", the similar Finnish case is discussed in Swastika#Finland. Would it perhaps not be better to improve the information on the Baltic symbol within Swastika first, before separate, in-depth articles are created on specific Latvian-related sub-topics? — Zalktis ( talk) 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
See also Western use of the Swastika in the early 20th century#Latvia — Zalktis ( talk) 11:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I've made it so that Ugunskrusts no longer redirects here, but is a disambiguation. Unlike pērkonkrusts, from my lessons in Latvian folklore as a lad in Toronto I seem to recall that ugunskrusts was the more common name used for the Latvian swastika ... perhaps due to it being less politically compromised? — Zalktis ( talk) 09:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I've re-added some of the allegedly "disputed" material with proper sources. Generally, the article is now quite well referenced. If you have a dispute or think a reference is required, flag/tag that sentence or section, not the whole article, please! — Zalktis ( talk) 16:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I guesed that only "forbidden symbol" far-right wing activist would use would be swatika, which shouldn't be forbidden as it is used in Latvian folklore, so I googled for Šiškins and found that the court turned down the case for having no substance ( according to this blog) ~~ Xil * 18:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
A red swastika on a white roundel. Anything to do with this political party? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.2.56 ( talk) 11:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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