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Does someone know, if Schmitt's resignation takes effect immediately? Gugganij ( talk) 12:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
by a questionably legal session [...] That session ignored the legal maxims: "In case of doubt, for the accused": the accused was not even invited. He has just arrived from an official visit to South Korea. Also the important principle of "Justice must not only be done, but must be seen to be done" was intentionally ignored. There was no need for convening that Senate-sitting other than to rob him of the chance to acknowledge that there were errors in granting him that title. The whole thing is a politicly motivated farce. I don't know if this particular meeting was fair or not, but I know blatant POV when I see it. And then you edit protect the article. What has become of Wikipedia? -- 88.73.20.121 ( talk) 13:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
In the introduction, it says 'he was stripped by a questionably legal session of the Senate of the SOTE.' On one hand, it has no link to SOTE, so it's kinda weird, on the other, it was perfectly legal, as it can be found in the academic misconduct article with the following link: http://index.hu/belfold/2012/04/02/schmitt_elviheti_a_showt/itt_a_nagyjabol_utolso_szog_schmitt_elnoksegenek_koporsojaba/ . 88.209.182.230 ( talk) 13:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article states:
and then goes on to mention how his title was stripped. But this is rather confusing. What does it mean he 'thought that his dissertation satisfied the requirements' if it did actually formally satisfy the practices of the time? (Whether he thought it did is surely irrelevant if it did satisfy the requirements.) And why was his title stripped if he satisfied the requirements? (And without wanting to be too WP:Soapboxy, did a dissertation primarily copied from other sources, whether or not those source were identified and properly cited, really satisfy the requirements?) Most of the sources are Hungarian so I can't check them myself. Nil Einne ( talk) 06:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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Error on Pal Schmitt page regarding his birthplace.
Source states that in 1942, Hungary was a 'People's Republic' although in actuality it was governed by Regent Miklos Horthy as the 'Kingdom of Hungary' (1920 - 1946)
2.102.68.82 ( talk) 11:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I suggest the removal of the puppet cartoon from the Presidency section:
— Tombartal ( talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
instead of:
Pál Schmitt (Schmitt Pál, Hungarian pronunciation: [ʃmit paːl]; born 13 May 1942) is a Hungarian sportsman and politician who served as President of Hungary from 2010 to 2012.
it should read
Pál Schmitt (Schmitt Pál, Hungarian pronunciation: [ʃmit paːl]; born 13 May 1942) is a Hungarian sportsman, ACADEMIC and politician who served as President of Hungary from 2010 to 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 03:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Different Wikipedia entries on Schmitt's plagiarized thesis should refer to the story in the same way. At this point, it is not an allegation (meaning "a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof"). There is no doubt about the misconduct --- whether or not it was in good faith is immaterial. In January, it was an allegation, by now and for the next 10 years and after (Wikipedia guiding principle), it remains a fact. Secondly, a plagiarized thesis is *academic* and not scientific misconduct. (The latter would be a plagiarized publication, falsified experimental data, and such, committed as a bona fide researcher.) On the other hand, the article about Pal Schmitt could be balanced better by reducing the section on his resignation (university withdrew the degree after hvg.hu published the allegations, and Schmitt resigned after some controversy over the weekend after the university's announcement): this should not take up more space than his sport and political career. There is a whole Wikipedia article devoted to the resignation for those who want to know more. Szentendrei ( talk) 14:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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Does someone know, if Schmitt's resignation takes effect immediately? Gugganij ( talk) 12:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
by a questionably legal session [...] That session ignored the legal maxims: "In case of doubt, for the accused": the accused was not even invited. He has just arrived from an official visit to South Korea. Also the important principle of "Justice must not only be done, but must be seen to be done" was intentionally ignored. There was no need for convening that Senate-sitting other than to rob him of the chance to acknowledge that there were errors in granting him that title. The whole thing is a politicly motivated farce. I don't know if this particular meeting was fair or not, but I know blatant POV when I see it. And then you edit protect the article. What has become of Wikipedia? -- 88.73.20.121 ( talk) 13:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
In the introduction, it says 'he was stripped by a questionably legal session of the Senate of the SOTE.' On one hand, it has no link to SOTE, so it's kinda weird, on the other, it was perfectly legal, as it can be found in the academic misconduct article with the following link: http://index.hu/belfold/2012/04/02/schmitt_elviheti_a_showt/itt_a_nagyjabol_utolso_szog_schmitt_elnoksegenek_koporsojaba/ . 88.209.182.230 ( talk) 13:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article states:
and then goes on to mention how his title was stripped. But this is rather confusing. What does it mean he 'thought that his dissertation satisfied the requirements' if it did actually formally satisfy the practices of the time? (Whether he thought it did is surely irrelevant if it did satisfy the requirements.) And why was his title stripped if he satisfied the requirements? (And without wanting to be too WP:Soapboxy, did a dissertation primarily copied from other sources, whether or not those source were identified and properly cited, really satisfy the requirements?) Most of the sources are Hungarian so I can't check them myself. Nil Einne ( talk) 06:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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Error on Pal Schmitt page regarding his birthplace.
Source states that in 1942, Hungary was a 'People's Republic' although in actuality it was governed by Regent Miklos Horthy as the 'Kingdom of Hungary' (1920 - 1946)
2.102.68.82 ( talk) 11:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I suggest the removal of the puppet cartoon from the Presidency section:
— Tombartal ( talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
instead of:
Pál Schmitt (Schmitt Pál, Hungarian pronunciation: [ʃmit paːl]; born 13 May 1942) is a Hungarian sportsman and politician who served as President of Hungary from 2010 to 2012.
it should read
Pál Schmitt (Schmitt Pál, Hungarian pronunciation: [ʃmit paːl]; born 13 May 1942) is a Hungarian sportsman, ACADEMIC and politician who served as President of Hungary from 2010 to 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 03:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Different Wikipedia entries on Schmitt's plagiarized thesis should refer to the story in the same way. At this point, it is not an allegation (meaning "a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof"). There is no doubt about the misconduct --- whether or not it was in good faith is immaterial. In January, it was an allegation, by now and for the next 10 years and after (Wikipedia guiding principle), it remains a fact. Secondly, a plagiarized thesis is *academic* and not scientific misconduct. (The latter would be a plagiarized publication, falsified experimental data, and such, committed as a bona fide researcher.) On the other hand, the article about Pal Schmitt could be balanced better by reducing the section on his resignation (university withdrew the degree after hvg.hu published the allegations, and Schmitt resigned after some controversy over the weekend after the university's announcement): this should not take up more space than his sport and political career. There is a whole Wikipedia article devoted to the resignation for those who want to know more. Szentendrei ( talk) 14:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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