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Wow, so this talk page vanished. Anyway I this Owen Benjamin meets notability requirements.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 08:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Someone drive by tagged this and didn't discuss. Please see guidelines on tagging, don't just tag without explanation.Removing Tag.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 08:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does this person have a page on Wikipedia? He's dated Christina Ricci and that seems about it. — Preceding
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"His website, HugePianist.com, is a play on words on the fact that he is a trained pianist and stands 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) tall."
While that is his website's URL (owenbenjamin.com redirects there), it seems pointlessly patronizing to explain how it is a play on words and the two facts that involve it either aren't notable on their own or should be mentioned elsehwere.
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May be worth noting that it says Owen was born in 1980, then to the right, it says he was born in 1960, and that he's 58. 2600:6C51:7C7F:C221:0:E940:5583:C44D ( talk) 12:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
"Scheduled shows of his have been cancelled and he has been suspended from Twitter on account of this behavior"
I know just enough grammar to be considered dangerous, so I could be wrong here, but the construction "scheduled shows of his" seems/feels wrong to me in terms of Readability. I think "his scheduled shows" is more positive, more direct. Also I don't like the word "behavior" to describe what happens on Twitter. The word "behavior" has connotations of physicality, and does not seem appropriate for an electronic speech environment. It would be more accurate to say that he's been "suspended from Twitter" for his "speech". "Behavior" could also be a euphemism to hide the fact that his speech is being censored. One corrects, or punishes the "behavior" of a child who doesn't know how to control themselves, but one censors the speech of a comedian whose speech is politically incorrect. Obviously the text is source-driven, but still I wonder if it can be tweaked to attempt to remove at least some of the bias, or at least make the text grammatically correct. Tym Whittier ( talk) 18:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Because the article reads like a propaganda leaflet. "Alt-right comentator" ? Any impartial source for that?
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Make mention of his antisemitism 37.26.148.168 ( talk) 17:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Seriously, you need to sort this out:
"For example, Benjamin has told his audience on YouTube that it is “infinitely more probable” that the Nazis over-worked Jews to death during the Holocaust than it was that they subjected them to execution in gas chambers. He went on to say that he was “a big fan” of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler’s art.
“Really what he was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up,” Benjamin said."
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-is-growing-more-extreme/
https://vimeo.com/325019623 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.198.31 ( talk) 16:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
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Owen lives on the west coast, now. 67.249.173.160 ( talk) 03:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
The subject’s birth name was apparently "Smith.” No mention of when or why he began to go by the name of Benjamin. Orthotox ( talk) 20:32, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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2605:E000:8840:AC00:F53D:58FB:2387:D296 ( talk) 00:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)Why don't you say Owen is a Good father, loving husband, he works hard with his hands. He is 1 in 10,000 is it? An IQ of 147. These are the things people need to hear also about owen. Try to understand the the way he looks at life, he is on a different wavelength I believe, able to see things and present them in such a truthful way, most people can't handle it. That's what I see in Owen in 2019, in a brief... 2605:E000:8840:AC00:F53D:58FB:2387:D296 ( talk) 00:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Footnote [24] cites https://www.jta.org/2019/04/08/opinion/how-did-conservative-comedian-owen-benjamin-became-a-darling-of-the-alt-right as a source for writing "Benjamin has also posted fabricated verses from the Talmud to demonize Jews". The given source does not contain any evidence for said claims, and the said source is an opinion article, that I reiterate, does not contain any sources for this claim, as it's an opinion piece and clearly identified as such. Either an actual source should be made, or the passage itself reworked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.143.100 ( talk) 03:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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I would like to request the ability to add to the content of this page. Wer23567 ( talk) 18:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph or two that mention some gross and antisemitic comments he made on his YouTube. Such things need to be provided with secondary sources, for various reasons--one of them being that if "person X said Y" is legitimate if sourced with a link to person X's YouTube channel, we might as well include everything. Drmies ( talk) 02:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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Owen Benjamin is an American conspiracy theorist and a controversial stand-up comedian. Happymerchant ( talk) 03:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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The Antisemitism claims are incorrect. He should be able to sue you people for this. 72.65.123.82 ( talk) 00:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Remove "Falsehood" from the section titled "Falsehoods and Controversial Statements". These are normally called "conspiracy theories." You may say argue that he has little evidence for transgender rights being a UN eugenics program, but you would be hardpressed to establish its falsity (proving a negative). More importantly, your links don't establish "falsity" of these claims, or even try to. 73.114.21.8 ( talk) 01:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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Owen is not affiliated with any political group so alt-right statement is incorrect. He does not make statements about jews and LGBT. He makes jokes about them to make a point about free speech and liberty. He is against child abused and sees as so administrating hormones to child below 9 years old. Kauedb ( talk) 07:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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Qwen Benjamin is NOT Alt-Right. 128.227.212.177 ( talk) 20:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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20:44, 3 October 2019 (UTC)He was a main speaker of the "Flat Earth International Conference (USA) 2019" https://flatearthconference.com/featuring/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:FA:AF09:2270:74E6:8D3D:A3B:3B81 ( talk) 06:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ The Mirror Cracked: My reasoning for first deleting the information with a suggestion to add it back with attribution, and then by adding attribution to the information after my edit was reverted is based on RS: "A prime example of this is opinion pieces in sources recognized as reliable. When using them, it is best to clearly attribute the opinions in the text to the author and make it clear to the reader that they are reading an opinion."
The source is on the opinion section of the website and the page itself notes: "The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of JTA or its parent company, 70 Faces Media." This means that the article's credibility relies on the author, not the hosting agency. This is why attribution is appropriate. The source is an opinion article. If you can find a RS that is not an opinion article then there would be no need for attribution. Otherwise there is, according to RS. AaronMP84 ( talk) 21:51, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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After observing Owen Benjamin for some time, it is clear that he is "Right-Leaning", and not , by Wikipedia definition, "Alt-Right". In these dangerous times, it would seem clarity is VERY important to ensuring people's safety and therefore, I suggest this minor, yet crucial change. Jeff The Aussie ( talk) 11:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting a citation needed for the accusation of Benjamin Owen being alt right at the end of the first paragraph, as there are no sources are listed for the claim per Wikipedia's rules. Unbiasedpredator ( talk) 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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To any wiki mod that sees this, you're basically asking someone to "prove" he's not alt right, a label given onto him by you. Please source your claims if you're going to add it in the article at least. Telling people "your opinion is not a reliable source" is rather hypocritical if you refuse to show sources for the opposing argument, no? Unbiasedpredator ( talk) 18:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Update: in addition, you seem to have quickly scoured the internet for any source you could find to back up the claim. Using a guilty until proven innocent modus operandi is incredibly dishonest. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/owen-benjamin-youtube-twitter/ In the source there are no personal comments, no self identifying remarks, at no point does Owen Benjamin claim to be alt right. I find the bias on this page to be on the extremes, no wonder you have to be approved to edit.
Nice one. You are unbiased but you didn't even fully read the request. Really shows what's going on here.
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Are mods here just absolutely insane? There’s a clear distinction between alt right, and right wing. These ‘sources’ are a complete joke and simply points at the guy while calling him alt right. Benjamin has no clear ties to any alt right groups or individuals based on the sources given. Recommend updating the article as this entire talk page is just filled with requests to edit this very contentious point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unbiasedpredator ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
In the first 2 minutes of this interview Owen Benjamin categorically denies being Alt-Right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbxhl-qbT0
So is that something the press (and Wikipedia editors) can determine about a person when the person says they're not? ElizaBarrington ( talk) 09:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
A placement somewhere in the article - perhaps in the antisemitic or flat earth section - of Benjamin's dialectical process should be mentioned - for many reasons - would bring the whole page together and settle context of all the controversy vs zeitgeist. He is the son of two tertiary level Professors after all (his intellectualism is lost in media headline branding/blackballing). See Identity politics, Satire, The Emperor's New Clothes, Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, Dialectic. The inherent application of comedy to society has historically a de facto truthyness that is being eroded with social media & limited ownership of mass media opportunities (See " Gatekeeper (disambiguation)").
"Owen Benjamin has publically stated he is a proponent of free speech and for the dialectical exploration of what is considered "taboo" or "politically incorrect". This lens of "dialectical exploration" should be used upon all of Benjamin's more controversial "antisemitic" statements - both as a comedian and as critic in the 21st century situ." (See WDTL799, & nightstream). Text mdnp ( talk) 21:03, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Benjamin's comedy is intentionally absurd and often provocative. Just because he joked that the moon landing was a hoax doesn't mean that he sincerely believes it was a hoax. Likewise, he might claim that he wants to bring back slavery, but that was clearly a dig at Shaun King. When writing a biography of a living person, especially a comedian, it's important to differentiate between what's real and what's not. I suggest erring on the side of caution, and taking much of what Benjamin says with a grain of salt. Humor, especially bad humor, should not be conflated with sincerely held views. Good examples of Wikipedia articles that do not have this issue include Dave Chappelle and Andy Kaufman. – Sebanderson ( talk) 21:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia & Comedy deserve better than this unusual inclusion of obscure websites as sources in the article's very text vs a standard reference tag? Text mdnp ( talk) 21:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.If reliable, independent sources discuss Benjamin's views on Nazism, summarize those sources with as little analyzes as possible. Grayfell ( talk) 07:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Benjamin is now a full on holocaust denying, racist neo-nazi. The page unfortuantely does not convey this serious racist that Benjamin has now become. Moreover Benjamin is a disinformation machine, spewing daily lies on his platforms that still remain.
TruthBuster21223 ( talk) 23:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I recently removed three unreliable sources and inaccurate information sourced to them. I am leaving this comment here primarily for TruthBuster21223, who incorrectly stated those sources were "established papers with their own pages" (none of them appear to actual published newspapers). The first source is Rewire News Group, an online news site. It is not clear what their editorial oversight is and they do not seem to distinguish articles written by staff and those submitted to them by email. Regardless, the source says "One, posted by Owen Benjamin pleads, 'I did not want to kill Jews. But they have given us no other option... the Jew—with his genocidal instincts—is insistent on poking the bear.'" No additional information is provided at all regarding this quote, and there is nothing to suggest that the "Owen Benjamin" is the same person as the subject of this page. I could also find no other source for this quote at all on Google. Without more information, that is clearly not reliable for inclusion, especially for a quote like that. The second source is an opinion piece from GOD TV (although the website does not appear to distinguish between opinion articles and more "news" oriented content), and the single sentence mentioning Benjamin is, "For example some of comedian, Owen Benjamin's comments could lead people to violence." Nowhere does the article call him a "hateful antisemite". The third source appears to just be a random website, and I'm not sure how its content would be noteworthy at all, and especially as a source for an inflammatory label. For highly contentious information, I think it would be beneficial if everyone looked critically at the sources, especially when restoring content. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 00:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Owen Benjamin is no longer a "comedian". For years now he has been a far right, holocaust denying conspiracy theorist. There are 5+ articles from reliable sources, including non-profits (SPLC) and regular news that describe him as such. As of now, the article does not convey that Benjamin no longer is simply a 'comedian'and he no longer performs shows. Moreover, he is more so a 'former' actor than an actor as he has not been involved in film in years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TruthBuster21223 ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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article uses pc jargon like *hate speech* (?). please rewrite in plain English. 2600:1006:B044:D29B:3CB3:446F:4057:EB7E ( talk) 00:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Article states false information regarding verses in Talmud. The reference provides no evidence just a one sentence opinion of this topic. — Preceding
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Can you please add that he is currently blocked on Dlive? This makes the news that mentions that two of the biggest earners of Dlive are Nick Fuentes and Owen Wilson outdated. I think it is important to mention this
A certain user continues to remove valid and sourced information regarding complaints to local officials about Benjamin's compound. What are everyones thoughts on this. It is a valid and sourced issue. One user continues to revert these edits. I am looking for guidance. TruthBuster21223 ( talk) 20:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Owen Benjamin Smith's politics and controversial statements should be described in the opening sentence. The fact that he claims to be a comedian, and was a former actor should follow that lead. As it is now, the opening statement does not do the best job at accurately reflecting why Benjamin is notable in the first place.
The fact is, Benjamin has not been cast in any role for years. He has not been booked for a comedy shows either, other than hosting and creating his own shows.
Benjamin has been described multiple times as a conspiracy theorist and racist. He has been described as an anti-semite multiple times as well, and a holocaust denier, a racist and a white nationalist.
A better opening would be: 'Owen Benjamin Smith (born May 24, 1980) is an American conspiracy theorist and alt-right political commentator.' The bit about his history in comedy and acting should follow in the body of the article under history/career.
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there is no evidence to connect Owen benjamin to the alt-right. Gravy1898 ( talk) 21:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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A far-right comedian named Owen Benjamin was the highest earner on DLive. There is a fair amount of sourcing out there. You'd have to show the weight of the sources use a different descriptor.
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21:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)So is anybody "alt-right" so long as some biased "news" source brands the person as such? That seems to be the only way people justify the sourcing, but it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure I could find a right-wing article that calls Hillary Clinton a "despot", but that shouldn't allow people to put it at the top of her Wikipedia entry, even if it's "sourced". Is there a relevant official Wikipedia policy when it comes to smearing vs. objectivity? WillieBlues ( talk) 04:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
What does it mean that he is alt right, and what is the source for that? It's a label that he denies, so by what metric does he fit the criteria? 66.232.212.131 ( talk) 14:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why Bethany Mandel's view of Benjamin is in this article? Serious question. Robin J Thomson ( talk) 00:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia calling him a conspiracy theorist instantly gives him cred. 72.211.65.133 ( talk) 16:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
As of now, Owen Benjamin's Twitter/X account has been reactivated. He has resumed posting race-based jokes, conspiracy theories, and updates about his "compound." This may be worth noting in the Social Media Bans section. [1] 70.44.201.229 ( talk) 13:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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There is misinformation and libel on this wikipedia and I want it corrected. Clearly the editors are biased. Thatguy3557 ( talk) 07:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Owen's name isn't Kares Troy- Omit Kares Troy- 129.101.71.39 ( talk) 08:18, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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He has never supported or said anything to support white supremacy that is false!!! 2603:3020:2B00:A600:B851:F26F:A1DA:B954 ( talk) 16:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please change the following text in the Owen Benjamin article:
Remove: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American conspiracy theorist and internet personality known for promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism."
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Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), professionally known as Owen Benjamin, is an American free thinker, comedian, established actor, family man, and farmer. He has garnered attention as an internet personality for his thought-provoking perspectives. Benjamin, who values independent thinking, humor, and his commitment to his family and farm, has been involved in various forms of entertainment, including stand-up comedy and minor acting roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015. Nhaselton ( talk) 19:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please remove the statement about repeatedly referring to an NPR host as a "child molester" as the source of this quote has been deleted and its reliability is heresay. Todaystomsawyer1981 ( talk) 15:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Dear Wikipedia Editors,
I am writing to propose a revision to the introductory section of the Owen Benjamin biography to ensure adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and verifiability.
Current text: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American conspiracy theorist and internet personality known for promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] He was a stand-up comedian and actor who had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.
In the late 2010s, Benjamin began expressing more extreme political views. In 2019, he was banned from several mainstream social media platforms for violations of their policies, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. [7] [8] [9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a " nigger". [5] [8] [10]"
Proposed revision: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American comedian and actor. He gained initial recognition through stand-up comedy and had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.
In the late 2010s, Benjamin's public statements and political views became more controversial. He has been the subject of scrutiny and criticism for expressing viewpoints that have been characterized as promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism by various sources. [11] [2] [3] [4] [5] [12] Benjamin's remarks have been described as offensive and have resulted in his removal from several mainstream social media platforms, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube in 2019, due to policy violations. [7] [8] [9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a " nigger". [5] [8] [10]"
This revision aims to provide a more balanced and neutral representation of Owen Benjamin's career and controversies, ensuring factual accuracy and compliance with Wikipedia's content policies. The original references were preserved.
Thank you for considering this edit request.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 ( talk) 16:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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I marked up many of the citations with {{Verify credibility|date=May 2024}} . These two sources are questionable WP:RSP . If you look at the citations themselves, the quality is very low. This article brings down the quality of the encyclopedia. Can someone please work to improve it? Tonymetz 💬 19:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Wow, so this talk page vanished. Anyway I this Owen Benjamin meets notability requirements.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 08:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Someone drive by tagged this and didn't discuss. Please see guidelines on tagging, don't just tag without explanation.Removing Tag.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 08:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does this person have a page on Wikipedia? He's dated Christina Ricci and that seems about it. — Preceding
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"His website, HugePianist.com, is a play on words on the fact that he is a trained pianist and stands 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) tall."
While that is his website's URL (owenbenjamin.com redirects there), it seems pointlessly patronizing to explain how it is a play on words and the two facts that involve it either aren't notable on their own or should be mentioned elsehwere.
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May be worth noting that it says Owen was born in 1980, then to the right, it says he was born in 1960, and that he's 58. 2600:6C51:7C7F:C221:0:E940:5583:C44D ( talk) 12:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
"Scheduled shows of his have been cancelled and he has been suspended from Twitter on account of this behavior"
I know just enough grammar to be considered dangerous, so I could be wrong here, but the construction "scheduled shows of his" seems/feels wrong to me in terms of Readability. I think "his scheduled shows" is more positive, more direct. Also I don't like the word "behavior" to describe what happens on Twitter. The word "behavior" has connotations of physicality, and does not seem appropriate for an electronic speech environment. It would be more accurate to say that he's been "suspended from Twitter" for his "speech". "Behavior" could also be a euphemism to hide the fact that his speech is being censored. One corrects, or punishes the "behavior" of a child who doesn't know how to control themselves, but one censors the speech of a comedian whose speech is politically incorrect. Obviously the text is source-driven, but still I wonder if it can be tweaked to attempt to remove at least some of the bias, or at least make the text grammatically correct. Tym Whittier ( talk) 18:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Because the article reads like a propaganda leaflet. "Alt-right comentator" ? Any impartial source for that?
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Make mention of his antisemitism 37.26.148.168 ( talk) 17:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Seriously, you need to sort this out:
"For example, Benjamin has told his audience on YouTube that it is “infinitely more probable” that the Nazis over-worked Jews to death during the Holocaust than it was that they subjected them to execution in gas chambers. He went on to say that he was “a big fan” of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler’s art.
“Really what he was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up,” Benjamin said."
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-is-growing-more-extreme/
https://vimeo.com/325019623 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.198.31 ( talk) 16:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
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ModerateMikayla555, Forbes contributed pieces (those which have "contributor (i)" in the byline) are unreliable, see WP:RSP. wumbolo ^^^ 09:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
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Owen lives on the west coast, now. 67.249.173.160 ( talk) 03:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
The subject’s birth name was apparently "Smith.” No mention of when or why he began to go by the name of Benjamin. Orthotox ( talk) 20:32, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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2605:E000:8840:AC00:F53D:58FB:2387:D296 ( talk) 00:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)Why don't you say Owen is a Good father, loving husband, he works hard with his hands. He is 1 in 10,000 is it? An IQ of 147. These are the things people need to hear also about owen. Try to understand the the way he looks at life, he is on a different wavelength I believe, able to see things and present them in such a truthful way, most people can't handle it. That's what I see in Owen in 2019, in a brief... 2605:E000:8840:AC00:F53D:58FB:2387:D296 ( talk) 00:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Footnote [24] cites https://www.jta.org/2019/04/08/opinion/how-did-conservative-comedian-owen-benjamin-became-a-darling-of-the-alt-right as a source for writing "Benjamin has also posted fabricated verses from the Talmud to demonize Jews". The given source does not contain any evidence for said claims, and the said source is an opinion article, that I reiterate, does not contain any sources for this claim, as it's an opinion piece and clearly identified as such. Either an actual source should be made, or the passage itself reworked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.143.100 ( talk) 03:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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I would like to request the ability to add to the content of this page. Wer23567 ( talk) 18:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph or two that mention some gross and antisemitic comments he made on his YouTube. Such things need to be provided with secondary sources, for various reasons--one of them being that if "person X said Y" is legitimate if sourced with a link to person X's YouTube channel, we might as well include everything. Drmies ( talk) 02:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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Owen Benjamin is an American conspiracy theorist and a controversial stand-up comedian. Happymerchant ( talk) 03:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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The Antisemitism claims are incorrect. He should be able to sue you people for this. 72.65.123.82 ( talk) 00:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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08:52, 28 July 2019 (UTC)@ Jpgordon: I noticed this recent removal by you, and I was wondering why you consider it gossip? It seems both true and appropriately sourced, when gossip normally implies untrue or unverified. While I would certainly agree on the removal if they had merely dated, the fact that they were engaged and their engagement was covered in multiple reliable sources would seem to be adequate for inclusion in my opinion. What do you think? – Wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 19:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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Remove "Falsehood" from the section titled "Falsehoods and Controversial Statements". These are normally called "conspiracy theories." You may say argue that he has little evidence for transgender rights being a UN eugenics program, but you would be hardpressed to establish its falsity (proving a negative). More importantly, your links don't establish "falsity" of these claims, or even try to. 73.114.21.8 ( talk) 01:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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Owen is not affiliated with any political group so alt-right statement is incorrect. He does not make statements about jews and LGBT. He makes jokes about them to make a point about free speech and liberty. He is against child abused and sees as so administrating hormones to child below 9 years old. Kauedb ( talk) 07:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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Qwen Benjamin is NOT Alt-Right. 128.227.212.177 ( talk) 20:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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20:44, 3 October 2019 (UTC)He was a main speaker of the "Flat Earth International Conference (USA) 2019" https://flatearthconference.com/featuring/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:FA:AF09:2270:74E6:8D3D:A3B:3B81 ( talk) 06:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ The Mirror Cracked: My reasoning for first deleting the information with a suggestion to add it back with attribution, and then by adding attribution to the information after my edit was reverted is based on RS: "A prime example of this is opinion pieces in sources recognized as reliable. When using them, it is best to clearly attribute the opinions in the text to the author and make it clear to the reader that they are reading an opinion."
The source is on the opinion section of the website and the page itself notes: "The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of JTA or its parent company, 70 Faces Media." This means that the article's credibility relies on the author, not the hosting agency. This is why attribution is appropriate. The source is an opinion article. If you can find a RS that is not an opinion article then there would be no need for attribution. Otherwise there is, according to RS. AaronMP84 ( talk) 21:51, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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After observing Owen Benjamin for some time, it is clear that he is "Right-Leaning", and not , by Wikipedia definition, "Alt-Right". In these dangerous times, it would seem clarity is VERY important to ensuring people's safety and therefore, I suggest this minor, yet crucial change. Jeff The Aussie ( talk) 11:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting a citation needed for the accusation of Benjamin Owen being alt right at the end of the first paragraph, as there are no sources are listed for the claim per Wikipedia's rules. Unbiasedpredator ( talk) 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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To any wiki mod that sees this, you're basically asking someone to "prove" he's not alt right, a label given onto him by you. Please source your claims if you're going to add it in the article at least. Telling people "your opinion is not a reliable source" is rather hypocritical if you refuse to show sources for the opposing argument, no? Unbiasedpredator ( talk) 18:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Update: in addition, you seem to have quickly scoured the internet for any source you could find to back up the claim. Using a guilty until proven innocent modus operandi is incredibly dishonest. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/owen-benjamin-youtube-twitter/ In the source there are no personal comments, no self identifying remarks, at no point does Owen Benjamin claim to be alt right. I find the bias on this page to be on the extremes, no wonder you have to be approved to edit.
Nice one. You are unbiased but you didn't even fully read the request. Really shows what's going on here.
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Are mods here just absolutely insane? There’s a clear distinction between alt right, and right wing. These ‘sources’ are a complete joke and simply points at the guy while calling him alt right. Benjamin has no clear ties to any alt right groups or individuals based on the sources given. Recommend updating the article as this entire talk page is just filled with requests to edit this very contentious point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unbiasedpredator ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
In the first 2 minutes of this interview Owen Benjamin categorically denies being Alt-Right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbxhl-qbT0
So is that something the press (and Wikipedia editors) can determine about a person when the person says they're not? ElizaBarrington ( talk) 09:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
A placement somewhere in the article - perhaps in the antisemitic or flat earth section - of Benjamin's dialectical process should be mentioned - for many reasons - would bring the whole page together and settle context of all the controversy vs zeitgeist. He is the son of two tertiary level Professors after all (his intellectualism is lost in media headline branding/blackballing). See Identity politics, Satire, The Emperor's New Clothes, Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, Dialectic. The inherent application of comedy to society has historically a de facto truthyness that is being eroded with social media & limited ownership of mass media opportunities (See " Gatekeeper (disambiguation)").
"Owen Benjamin has publically stated he is a proponent of free speech and for the dialectical exploration of what is considered "taboo" or "politically incorrect". This lens of "dialectical exploration" should be used upon all of Benjamin's more controversial "antisemitic" statements - both as a comedian and as critic in the 21st century situ." (See WDTL799, & nightstream). Text mdnp ( talk) 21:03, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Benjamin's comedy is intentionally absurd and often provocative. Just because he joked that the moon landing was a hoax doesn't mean that he sincerely believes it was a hoax. Likewise, he might claim that he wants to bring back slavery, but that was clearly a dig at Shaun King. When writing a biography of a living person, especially a comedian, it's important to differentiate between what's real and what's not. I suggest erring on the side of caution, and taking much of what Benjamin says with a grain of salt. Humor, especially bad humor, should not be conflated with sincerely held views. Good examples of Wikipedia articles that do not have this issue include Dave Chappelle and Andy Kaufman. – Sebanderson ( talk) 21:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia & Comedy deserve better than this unusual inclusion of obscure websites as sources in the article's very text vs a standard reference tag? Text mdnp ( talk) 21:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.If reliable, independent sources discuss Benjamin's views on Nazism, summarize those sources with as little analyzes as possible. Grayfell ( talk) 07:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Benjamin is now a full on holocaust denying, racist neo-nazi. The page unfortuantely does not convey this serious racist that Benjamin has now become. Moreover Benjamin is a disinformation machine, spewing daily lies on his platforms that still remain.
TruthBuster21223 ( talk) 23:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I recently removed three unreliable sources and inaccurate information sourced to them. I am leaving this comment here primarily for TruthBuster21223, who incorrectly stated those sources were "established papers with their own pages" (none of them appear to actual published newspapers). The first source is Rewire News Group, an online news site. It is not clear what their editorial oversight is and they do not seem to distinguish articles written by staff and those submitted to them by email. Regardless, the source says "One, posted by Owen Benjamin pleads, 'I did not want to kill Jews. But they have given us no other option... the Jew—with his genocidal instincts—is insistent on poking the bear.'" No additional information is provided at all regarding this quote, and there is nothing to suggest that the "Owen Benjamin" is the same person as the subject of this page. I could also find no other source for this quote at all on Google. Without more information, that is clearly not reliable for inclusion, especially for a quote like that. The second source is an opinion piece from GOD TV (although the website does not appear to distinguish between opinion articles and more "news" oriented content), and the single sentence mentioning Benjamin is, "For example some of comedian, Owen Benjamin's comments could lead people to violence." Nowhere does the article call him a "hateful antisemite". The third source appears to just be a random website, and I'm not sure how its content would be noteworthy at all, and especially as a source for an inflammatory label. For highly contentious information, I think it would be beneficial if everyone looked critically at the sources, especially when restoring content. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 00:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Owen Benjamin is no longer a "comedian". For years now he has been a far right, holocaust denying conspiracy theorist. There are 5+ articles from reliable sources, including non-profits (SPLC) and regular news that describe him as such. As of now, the article does not convey that Benjamin no longer is simply a 'comedian'and he no longer performs shows. Moreover, he is more so a 'former' actor than an actor as he has not been involved in film in years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TruthBuster21223 ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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article uses pc jargon like *hate speech* (?). please rewrite in plain English. 2600:1006:B044:D29B:3CB3:446F:4057:EB7E ( talk) 00:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Article states false information regarding verses in Talmud. The reference provides no evidence just a one sentence opinion of this topic. — Preceding
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Can you please add that he is currently blocked on Dlive? This makes the news that mentions that two of the biggest earners of Dlive are Nick Fuentes and Owen Wilson outdated. I think it is important to mention this
A certain user continues to remove valid and sourced information regarding complaints to local officials about Benjamin's compound. What are everyones thoughts on this. It is a valid and sourced issue. One user continues to revert these edits. I am looking for guidance. TruthBuster21223 ( talk) 20:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Owen Benjamin Smith's politics and controversial statements should be described in the opening sentence. The fact that he claims to be a comedian, and was a former actor should follow that lead. As it is now, the opening statement does not do the best job at accurately reflecting why Benjamin is notable in the first place.
The fact is, Benjamin has not been cast in any role for years. He has not been booked for a comedy shows either, other than hosting and creating his own shows.
Benjamin has been described multiple times as a conspiracy theorist and racist. He has been described as an anti-semite multiple times as well, and a holocaust denier, a racist and a white nationalist.
A better opening would be: 'Owen Benjamin Smith (born May 24, 1980) is an American conspiracy theorist and alt-right political commentator.' The bit about his history in comedy and acting should follow in the body of the article under history/career.
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there is no evidence to connect Owen benjamin to the alt-right. Gravy1898 ( talk) 21:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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Owen Benjamin, an American “alt-right” actor, comedian and political commentator who promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and anti-LGBT views, and also far right
A far-right comedian named Owen Benjamin was the highest earner on DLive. There is a fair amount of sourcing out there. You'd have to show the weight of the sources use a different descriptor.
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21:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)So is anybody "alt-right" so long as some biased "news" source brands the person as such? That seems to be the only way people justify the sourcing, but it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure I could find a right-wing article that calls Hillary Clinton a "despot", but that shouldn't allow people to put it at the top of her Wikipedia entry, even if it's "sourced". Is there a relevant official Wikipedia policy when it comes to smearing vs. objectivity? WillieBlues ( talk) 04:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
What does it mean that he is alt right, and what is the source for that? It's a label that he denies, so by what metric does he fit the criteria? 66.232.212.131 ( talk) 14:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why Bethany Mandel's view of Benjamin is in this article? Serious question. Robin J Thomson ( talk) 00:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia calling him a conspiracy theorist instantly gives him cred. 72.211.65.133 ( talk) 16:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
As of now, Owen Benjamin's Twitter/X account has been reactivated. He has resumed posting race-based jokes, conspiracy theories, and updates about his "compound." This may be worth noting in the Social Media Bans section. [1] 70.44.201.229 ( talk) 13:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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There is misinformation and libel on this wikipedia and I want it corrected. Clearly the editors are biased. Thatguy3557 ( talk) 07:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Owen's name isn't Kares Troy- Omit Kares Troy- 129.101.71.39 ( talk) 08:18, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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He has never supported or said anything to support white supremacy that is false!!! 2603:3020:2B00:A600:B851:F26F:A1DA:B954 ( talk) 16:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please change the following text in the Owen Benjamin article:
Remove: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American conspiracy theorist and internet personality known for promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism."
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Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), professionally known as Owen Benjamin, is an American free thinker, comedian, established actor, family man, and farmer. He has garnered attention as an internet personality for his thought-provoking perspectives. Benjamin, who values independent thinking, humor, and his commitment to his family and farm, has been involved in various forms of entertainment, including stand-up comedy and minor acting roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015. Nhaselton ( talk) 19:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please remove the statement about repeatedly referring to an NPR host as a "child molester" as the source of this quote has been deleted and its reliability is heresay. Todaystomsawyer1981 ( talk) 15:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Dear Wikipedia Editors,
I am writing to propose a revision to the introductory section of the Owen Benjamin biography to ensure adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and verifiability.
Current text: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American conspiracy theorist and internet personality known for promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] He was a stand-up comedian and actor who had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.
In the late 2010s, Benjamin began expressing more extreme political views. In 2019, he was banned from several mainstream social media platforms for violations of their policies, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. [7] [8] [9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a " nigger". [5] [8] [10]"
Proposed revision: "Owen Benjamin Kares Troy-Smith (born May 24, 1980), known professionally as Owen Benjamin, is an American comedian and actor. He gained initial recognition through stand-up comedy and had minor roles in mainstream film and television between 2008 and 2015.
In the late 2010s, Benjamin's public statements and political views became more controversial. He has been the subject of scrutiny and criticism for expressing viewpoints that have been characterized as promoting white supremacy, antisemitism, homophobia, and neo-Nazism by various sources. [11] [2] [3] [4] [5] [12] Benjamin's remarks have been described as offensive and have resulted in his removal from several mainstream social media platforms, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube in 2019, due to policy violations. [7] [8] [9] These included antisemitic remarks, homophobic remarks, and calling Barack Obama a " nigger". [5] [8] [10]"
This revision aims to provide a more balanced and neutral representation of Owen Benjamin's career and controversies, ensuring factual accuracy and compliance with Wikipedia's content policies. The original references were preserved.
Thank you for considering this edit request.
Sincerely, Todaystomsawyer1981 ( talk) 16:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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I marked up many of the citations with {{Verify credibility|date=May 2024}} . These two sources are questionable WP:RSP . If you look at the citations themselves, the quality is very low. This article brings down the quality of the encyclopedia. Can someone please work to improve it? Tonymetz 💬 19:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)