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Seems like a huge number. This doesn't sync with sales figures for bands of a relatively similar profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E96:BA90:4028:F403:F564:50CB ( talk) 19:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
You can't use one link to an album review as a citation for classifying Overkill's latter work. I will re-word the genre description to "Overkill is a thrash and groove metal band" which eliminates the need for era specification. If you want to delineate eras, please provide further evidence than one Decibel magazine review, because I can show ample evidence to the contrary. Supercodes ( talk) 02:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
ha? I wrote the article for Metal-Archives. I decided to put it here too. Well, it's back. There is no copyright violation, as the article is not copyrighted. I as the author release the article to the public domain, and the webmasters of metal-archives.com agree with this decision. Feel free to contact them - emails available on the site. levente AT mit.edu
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Come on, no mention of them savaging "Hello From the Gutter"? That's the only way 90% of people ever heard of this band. "Huh Huh...that skull should fly away to a video that's cool....huh huh"
Although I am a die hard lifelong 'Kill fan, I drasticaly lessened the POV in this article(such as "this is their best alum" type stuff). I tired to take a more factual stance in the article as well. I also removed lots of unessecary stuff like "(name forgotten over time)" and cleaned up run on sentences, ect. I also added the infobox and pics.
Most of the later album descriptions after W.F.O. still say somthing to the effect of "combining the new overkill sound with their classic sound" ect. But I'll leave that argument to someone else, As I know little about the bands albums after F.T.U.A.B.
There are lots of unverified facts here, such as Dan Spitz being a member? A lot of that stuff needs sources and citations if it's to be included...
I'm also in the process of giving each album a page(if there isn't one already) and uploading all the covers - can't believe they arent up! Skeletor2112 09:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I talked to Blitz after a show in Edmonton, and he said that what he had wasn't really a "stroke", per se. Maybe it makes sense to refer to it as a stroke coloquially, since it gets the point across to the layman, but I forget exactly what Blitz called what he had. If someone could look into this and update this page, I'd be grateful.
I don't remember which interview it was, but I remember him referring to it as a focal seizure in an interview he also described an altered state which may be consistent with that, if that helps... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a general query, I don't wish to be a pedant because your article is otherwise top notch, but isn't Coverkill the 11th album making Bloodletting the 12th and Killbox 13 the 13th rather than Overkill EP being 1st? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.238.233.2 ( talk • contribs) .
Allmusic has Extended Versions with a release date of 2002, yet it's in this discography as released in 2004. I didn't want to change it, as I've known AMG to be wrong. -- Joelmills 02:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have an original copy of Overkill, Extended Versions: The Encore Collection - it has on it "Copyright 2002 BMG Special Products" So, yes this should be changed to 2002... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Did the guys ever officially confirm that their logo (at least the "O" in the logo) is based upon the Iron Maiden logo? I don't think this is pure coincidence.-- 80.133.223.142 16:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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I'm wondering, how many albums have Overkill sold worldwide? And how many albums have Overkill sold for each album?{{subst:image source|Image:1401.jpg)) Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 00:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC) {{missing rationale|Image:1401.jpg
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I've re-uploaded the logo and a shot of the band. Someone needs to come in and fix this article as much as possible! -- LuvataciousSkull 16:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
There are only 14 studio albums? why does it say 15?....unless I don't know that percific one, I got all their albums and their is only 14. METALFREAK04 12:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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My citations include Decibel Magazine, a major heavy metal magazine. To the last dickhead that undid my post, SUCK FUCKING DICK. What is wrong with you? Are you a fucking moron? Did you not read the edits before you just changed them? Fucking tool. 70.157.67.202 ( talk) 09:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I checked your referance and you were right. Sorry about the reverts, but it helps if you use the citation templates, so people can click on it and see the referance at the bottom. Johan Rachmaninov ( talk) 02:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Nobody really gives a damn which you use, please come to a consensus and stop bickering over asinine stuff, because edit wars piss me off. Thanks. DarrelClemmons ( talk) 11:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, some sock IP user reverted me. I don't wanna revert again. Let's just take a vote and talk this out until consensus is reached as this seems to be a big issue for some reason. I vote line breaks just because the length of the list of genres there, which I think is a pretty good reason. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Read WP:VOTE. The example shown in the template guideline clearly shows a comma. And matching the example shown in a guideline is a good faith edit. Reverting because of personal preference is a bad faith edit and simple trolling. Whatever bridge you briefly retired under, is waiting for your return. 83.231.130.42 ( talk) 21:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
This doesn't need to be stated as "reportedly", you can find it on YouTube. It was also apparently aired on "Virus" (the video is watermarked). Perhaps someone knows what network "Virus" is on. I am new to Wiki, so I won't attempt to edit - just pass the info to a veteran... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
In summer 1997, the band released !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some. The album included the !!!Fuck You!!! EP, which had been out of print for some years, along with the classic Overkill EP and two live tracks from a 1990 promo single. October of the same year saw the release of the ninth Overkill studio album, titled From The Underground And Below. This record retained some of the modern influences from The Killing Kind, while also reincorporating elements from the band's earlier efforts. Some songs on From The Underground And Below, including "Save Me", even had a slight industrial metal sound to them. Reportedly a video for the track "Long Time Dyin'" was shot, but due to the non-existence of metal in the mainstream media at the time, it is unlikely that the video has ever aired on television. Again Overkill opted to only tour Europe in support of the album, which took place in May 1998, with Nevermore, Angel Dust and Nocturnal Rites.
This information is incorrect. I don't know how extensively Overkill toured elsewhere for "From The Underground And Below" but, they DID have a U.S. tour. I know this because I was at their Sunday April 5th, 1998 show @ The el Mocambo in Toronto that was in support of this album. Opening acts in Toronto (according to my ticket stub and newspaper ad) were "JAWW" and "M-69".
As per the back of my concert t-shirt, the U.S. tour ("It Lives") included the following stops: Albany, Cohoes, Elmira, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, Flint, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Lincoln, Lawrence, Boise, Denver, Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Fresno, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Lubbock, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Charleston, Raleigh, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Baltimore, Washington, Boston, Providence, New York, New Jersey, Hartford, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia.
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Ditto that. The Chicago date was actually at a club called Jackhammer's in Schaumburg, which doesn't exist anymore. I sat on the tour bus and interviewed Blitz for my college radio station between shows (they played 2 that night) during a spring-time blizzard. I want to say it was March or April in 1998. 209.254.200.110 ( talk) 16:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
This page is a mess. It's full of opinionated editorializing and informal language that makes it read more like a fan page than an encyclopedia entry. For example, it's okay to indicate an album's perceived quality, but this must include links to more than one album review, and for heaven's sake, terms like "thrash-terpiece" do NOT belong on a serious neutral encyclopedia page. Granted, I'm not saying I could do better, but I think content creators need to reevaluate the tone and scholarship of this page. Heisenplanck ( talk) 06:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea where that IMDb link came from... Heisenplanck ( talk) 06:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Where are their certifications or high chart positions for that huge number? In any country? For example, Cannibal Corpse have similar SoundScan numbers, and they sold just about 2 million worldwide. Where are Overkill so popular beyond the United States? In Europe? For another example, Nightwish have massive sales throughout the Europe, they have tens of gold certificates in many European countries - and still, they have sold maximum 9 million copies worldwide. Please, don't make wiki page a die-hard fan club. There: http://lesliesmetal-page.blogspot.ru/2010/11/over-kill-bobby-gustafson.html - Bobby Gustafson speaks frankly about one of those fanboy myths. "What album?? We never sold 2 million of anything. By itself or combined."
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Seems like a huge number. This doesn't sync with sales figures for bands of a relatively similar profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E96:BA90:4028:F403:F564:50CB ( talk) 19:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
You can't use one link to an album review as a citation for classifying Overkill's latter work. I will re-word the genre description to "Overkill is a thrash and groove metal band" which eliminates the need for era specification. If you want to delineate eras, please provide further evidence than one Decibel magazine review, because I can show ample evidence to the contrary. Supercodes ( talk) 02:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
ha? I wrote the article for Metal-Archives. I decided to put it here too. Well, it's back. There is no copyright violation, as the article is not copyrighted. I as the author release the article to the public domain, and the webmasters of metal-archives.com agree with this decision. Feel free to contact them - emails available on the site. levente AT mit.edu
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Come on, no mention of them savaging "Hello From the Gutter"? That's the only way 90% of people ever heard of this band. "Huh Huh...that skull should fly away to a video that's cool....huh huh"
Although I am a die hard lifelong 'Kill fan, I drasticaly lessened the POV in this article(such as "this is their best alum" type stuff). I tired to take a more factual stance in the article as well. I also removed lots of unessecary stuff like "(name forgotten over time)" and cleaned up run on sentences, ect. I also added the infobox and pics.
Most of the later album descriptions after W.F.O. still say somthing to the effect of "combining the new overkill sound with their classic sound" ect. But I'll leave that argument to someone else, As I know little about the bands albums after F.T.U.A.B.
There are lots of unverified facts here, such as Dan Spitz being a member? A lot of that stuff needs sources and citations if it's to be included...
I'm also in the process of giving each album a page(if there isn't one already) and uploading all the covers - can't believe they arent up! Skeletor2112 09:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I talked to Blitz after a show in Edmonton, and he said that what he had wasn't really a "stroke", per se. Maybe it makes sense to refer to it as a stroke coloquially, since it gets the point across to the layman, but I forget exactly what Blitz called what he had. If someone could look into this and update this page, I'd be grateful.
I don't remember which interview it was, but I remember him referring to it as a focal seizure in an interview he also described an altered state which may be consistent with that, if that helps... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a general query, I don't wish to be a pedant because your article is otherwise top notch, but isn't Coverkill the 11th album making Bloodletting the 12th and Killbox 13 the 13th rather than Overkill EP being 1st? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.238.233.2 ( talk • contribs) .
Allmusic has Extended Versions with a release date of 2002, yet it's in this discography as released in 2004. I didn't want to change it, as I've known AMG to be wrong. -- Joelmills 02:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have an original copy of Overkill, Extended Versions: The Encore Collection - it has on it "Copyright 2002 BMG Special Products" So, yes this should be changed to 2002... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Did the guys ever officially confirm that their logo (at least the "O" in the logo) is based upon the Iron Maiden logo? I don't think this is pure coincidence.-- 80.133.223.142 16:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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I'm wondering, how many albums have Overkill sold worldwide? And how many albums have Overkill sold for each album?{{subst:image source|Image:1401.jpg)) Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 00:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC) {{missing rationale|Image:1401.jpg
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There are only 14 studio albums? why does it say 15?....unless I don't know that percific one, I got all their albums and their is only 14. METALFREAK04 12:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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My citations include Decibel Magazine, a major heavy metal magazine. To the last dickhead that undid my post, SUCK FUCKING DICK. What is wrong with you? Are you a fucking moron? Did you not read the edits before you just changed them? Fucking tool. 70.157.67.202 ( talk) 09:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I checked your referance and you were right. Sorry about the reverts, but it helps if you use the citation templates, so people can click on it and see the referance at the bottom. Johan Rachmaninov ( talk) 02:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Nobody really gives a damn which you use, please come to a consensus and stop bickering over asinine stuff, because edit wars piss me off. Thanks. DarrelClemmons ( talk) 11:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, some sock IP user reverted me. I don't wanna revert again. Let's just take a vote and talk this out until consensus is reached as this seems to be a big issue for some reason. I vote line breaks just because the length of the list of genres there, which I think is a pretty good reason. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Read WP:VOTE. The example shown in the template guideline clearly shows a comma. And matching the example shown in a guideline is a good faith edit. Reverting because of personal preference is a bad faith edit and simple trolling. Whatever bridge you briefly retired under, is waiting for your return. 83.231.130.42 ( talk) 21:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
This doesn't need to be stated as "reportedly", you can find it on YouTube. It was also apparently aired on "Virus" (the video is watermarked). Perhaps someone knows what network "Virus" is on. I am new to Wiki, so I won't attempt to edit - just pass the info to a veteran... Wmfarrell ( talk) 18:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
In summer 1997, the band released !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some. The album included the !!!Fuck You!!! EP, which had been out of print for some years, along with the classic Overkill EP and two live tracks from a 1990 promo single. October of the same year saw the release of the ninth Overkill studio album, titled From The Underground And Below. This record retained some of the modern influences from The Killing Kind, while also reincorporating elements from the band's earlier efforts. Some songs on From The Underground And Below, including "Save Me", even had a slight industrial metal sound to them. Reportedly a video for the track "Long Time Dyin'" was shot, but due to the non-existence of metal in the mainstream media at the time, it is unlikely that the video has ever aired on television. Again Overkill opted to only tour Europe in support of the album, which took place in May 1998, with Nevermore, Angel Dust and Nocturnal Rites.
This information is incorrect. I don't know how extensively Overkill toured elsewhere for "From The Underground And Below" but, they DID have a U.S. tour. I know this because I was at their Sunday April 5th, 1998 show @ The el Mocambo in Toronto that was in support of this album. Opening acts in Toronto (according to my ticket stub and newspaper ad) were "JAWW" and "M-69".
As per the back of my concert t-shirt, the U.S. tour ("It Lives") included the following stops: Albany, Cohoes, Elmira, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, Flint, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Lincoln, Lawrence, Boise, Denver, Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Fresno, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Lubbock, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Charleston, Raleigh, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Baltimore, Washington, Boston, Providence, New York, New Jersey, Hartford, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia.
Ogre21 ( talk) 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)Ogre21
Ditto that. The Chicago date was actually at a club called Jackhammer's in Schaumburg, which doesn't exist anymore. I sat on the tour bus and interviewed Blitz for my college radio station between shows (they played 2 that night) during a spring-time blizzard. I want to say it was March or April in 1998. 209.254.200.110 ( talk) 16:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
This page is a mess. It's full of opinionated editorializing and informal language that makes it read more like a fan page than an encyclopedia entry. For example, it's okay to indicate an album's perceived quality, but this must include links to more than one album review, and for heaven's sake, terms like "thrash-terpiece" do NOT belong on a serious neutral encyclopedia page. Granted, I'm not saying I could do better, but I think content creators need to reevaluate the tone and scholarship of this page. Heisenplanck ( talk) 06:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea where that IMDb link came from... Heisenplanck ( talk) 06:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Where are their certifications or high chart positions for that huge number? In any country? For example, Cannibal Corpse have similar SoundScan numbers, and they sold just about 2 million worldwide. Where are Overkill so popular beyond the United States? In Europe? For another example, Nightwish have massive sales throughout the Europe, they have tens of gold certificates in many European countries - and still, they have sold maximum 9 million copies worldwide. Please, don't make wiki page a die-hard fan club. There: http://lesliesmetal-page.blogspot.ru/2010/11/over-kill-bobby-gustafson.html - Bobby Gustafson speaks frankly about one of those fanboy myths. "What album?? We never sold 2 million of anything. By itself or combined."
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The timeline section of this article seems bugged. The black bars on the graph are acting strange. Checked firefox and chrome and both have the same problem. Also confirmed that other pages aren't having this problem (Annihilator) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.60.138 ( talk) 03:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sabbatino, I noted you have recently undone an edit to the Overkill (band) article. You state in your Edit Summary that "The longstanding consensus is not to list the members here if the band is active". I do not believe this to be correct. Based on personal experience of viewing and editing hundreds of band articles and, more importantly, based upon what Wikipedia states for the Infobox musical artist template. If one reads about each field, the " past_members" one in particular, it states they should be filled in if data exists and has nothing stating that with still-active bands this field should be kept empty.
Could you please point to any "longstanding consensus" discussions on Wikipedia that would have produced something counter to this policy? If they exist, it seems odd that WikiProject Musicians admins would have not added this new consensus policy to the infobox documentation. Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶ 72.234.220.38 ( talk) 10:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░