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From Article: "Each chapter has a clubhouse. These clubhouses are used for "church meetings," parties, and privacy. They are usually secured by concrete walls, steel doors, razor wire, guard dogs, and video surveillance."
Is there proof of this? I'm not sure that every chapter has a clubhouse, and I doubt whether many of them would be secured to the extent that this makes it out to be. 01/30/2006
"The Outlaws collect information on their rivalries with other clubs. They primarily collect newspaper clippings regarding incidents with other clubs. On occasion, though, an Outlaws member will bribe a law enforcement officer to obtain information on the location of a rival club's members. Outlaws also travel, at the club's direction, to the funerals of fellow bikers."
Regarding: " The Taunton, Massachusetts Club house was raided, but due to immunity of the Brockton club house nothing happened." WTF does that mean?
98.176.116.13 (
talk) 00:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
As the Outlaws originated in Illinois (McCook, south side of Chicago) and their main base of criminal activity despite branching out throughout the United States remained Chicago for many decades, Somewhere in this article should point out that the current Chicago headquarters is, and for MANY years has been, Joliet, Illinois, or more distinctly, Ingalls Park in Joliet, Illinois. While the Outlaws presence has severely lessened in Joliet and all of Chicagoland since the 1980s after many arrests and prison sentences, the Chicago Outlaws still engage in criminal activity with their main center of operations being the Outlaws "clubhouse" on East Washington Street & Schonie Street, Ingalls Park, whose clubhouse largely displays the Outlaws name, slogan/motto GFOD (God Forgives Outlaws Don't) and the One Percenter logo. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Soco79 (
talk •
contribs) 15:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I question the statment that relates SS tatoo's to proof of a members violent history....the same thing was said of the Hells Angels, who also used the SS( "Filthy Few" in HAMC lexicon) symbol. The allegation that these tatoo's denoted certain criminal acts (murder etc.) in the HAMC has been widely discredited 195.7.34.195 10:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC) T.J. McKenzie It is used as a brand perse for the murder of a rival of any kind. I can assert that.
Incorrect. Satan's Choice was being monitored with heavy law enforcement tactics during the mid 1990's particularly 1996/7. Satan's Choice was a very strong club in Ontario Canada during thsi period. They were not patched over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TacticalTemplar ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Removed on May 5, 2010. Please clarify if incorrect with sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TacticalTemplar ( talk • contribs) 13:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I added that in there because everything else in the article, as far as I can tell, is just rumor and speculation. Since that incident was so recent I knew I could put the link up to the story to verify it. Scoop 20:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This article states that the Outlaws MC is now the biggest outlaw biker club, but cites no proof. The Hells Angels would disagree.
I reverted the change in category from Motorcycle Club to Motorcycle Gang. The Outlaws are, in fact, a motorcycle club. The term motorcycle gang has no concensus definition. Mmoyer 02:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed gobs of unreferenced material from this article and have begun searches for refs to support some of the less outlandish claims. Mmoyer 03:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Should a section also be included over the murder of Klimes? He was very prominent in the Lyons, Il chapter, and his murder has never been solved, though there is much specualtion. I remember 100's of bikers driving down 47th street in Brookfield, IL in 1981, when I was 10 years old. Nathraq 17:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone mind if I wikify the history section as per tag? Julia Rossi ( talk) 08:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It is believed that the Pagans have similar restrictions on membership to those of the Hells Angels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.157.255 ( talk) 16:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, the paragraphs inluding alleged detailed criminal activity needs to be removed or revamped.
A section of the page on alleged criminal activity, in a general fashoin, may be more professional than a crime by crime synopsis as we have on the page at the moment. I can see if an article is about one criminal, whose only claim to fame was crime. But in regards to a whole motorcycle club, listing various murders and others crimes seems out of place. anyone? Nathraq ( talk) 17:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed Pagans as an ally. The Pagans and Outlaws are not really allies, at the least they might have an on/off relationship. They have been fighting each other in Pennsylvania for some time now. I think the only thing that they do share is a mutual hatred for the Hells Angels. The citation for the Pagans as allies links to a story about the Mongols allying with the Pagans, not the Outlaws allying with the Pagans. 98.176.116.13 ( talk) 00:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
This edit is highly dubious. It's sourced to four articles, but in actuality it is one article with original reporting and 3 articles that parrot what the first article says. All they really have is photos of the subject associating with the Outlaws, wearing some emblems of one percenter culture. They assert that he is a full patch member but show no evidence whatsoever that he is any more than a hang around -- if that. Do two photos even prove you're a "hang around"? The articles imply that not only is he a full patch member, but that to be a full patch member you must have committed a crime. This is an egregious violation of Wikipedia's standards. Given that gossip doesn't belong on Wikipedia, what is any of this doing here? In what sense is this encyclopedic?
If these two photos turn out to be meaningful in any way, then reputable media outlets will no doubt report on it, and they'll include some facts. Until that happens, delete it. There should be no great hurry to spread negative claims about anybody. -- Dbratland ( talk) 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
David Allen Coe was a patched Outlaw earlier in his life. He initially refused to play in any city that had a Hells Angels chapter. Sources for this are all over the net and print media. Photo with an Outlaw 1% shirt: http://today-is-their-birthday.blogspot.com/2010/09/outlaw-country-music-singer-david-allan.html. 98.176.233.118 ( talk) 08:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/apr/15/blurt1/
"The agent, Austin-based Rob Devine, admits that he had to cancel the show after he allowed Brick by Brick to put the tickets on sale. Devine says that he didn’t know that San Diego was one of the cities (along with New York and San Francisco) that Coe refused to play because of a longtime promise he made to himself that he would never play in a town that is a home to Hells Angels.
“Back in the day, [Coe] was in a notorious biker gang called the Outlaws,” explains singer-guitarist Ron Houston, who fronts local country band Sickstring Outlaws. “The Hells Angels and the Outlaws were rivals. [Coe] says that, out of respect, he won’t play in a city that has an active Hells Angels chapter.”" 98.176.233.118 ( talk) 20:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
*Also this magazine webpage--- http://www.review-mag.com/archive/570-579/577/Ncoeinterview.htm
Outlaws in Ohio and Boston along with other locations there are chapters that are not listed. There have been Outlaw chapters in Ohio since the 50's. it surprised me you did not have them listed in your Outlaw's MC chapters list. Dayton and Columbus Ohio is where there chapters in Ohio are located. Also the Outlaws now have new chapters in the USA and around the world in which again, are not listed on your page stating where the chapters of the Outlaws MC are located. Where you can update your information at is www.outlawsmc.com I am sure they have a list of their chapters at their website. Also if you have any reasonable questions you would like answered I think you can also contact them at the aboved name webpage. Just trying to help Wikipedia out with good solid info for your article. I enjoy using your website many times during the year when researching different subjects. Have a great day people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.23.44 ( talk) 00:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently met and became friends with one of your brothers in Federal prison at FCI Fort Dix, Fort Dix NJ. Stokes Cook AKA Bear is his name and he is a good man as well as founding member of the club. Bear has recently been diagnosed and treated for cancer. This happened after my release but he and I are, and will remain in contact until one of us leaves this shitty world. He has recently been transferred to a Federal Medical Center at Butnam NC where he is undergoing further treatment. He has asked me to download and print out all the info on your web site and send it into him. As you know this is both a monumental and impossible task as most of your info can't be printed from the site for obvious reasons. Still, membership in your club has been his life and may now be his salvation as it may well help him find the strength he needs to fight and beat this disease. Any members or well wisher who would care to write to him and offer support to him in this time of need can do so by writing to:
Stokes Cook 09818-074 Federal Medical Center 4-B P.O. Box 1600 Room 4204 Butner NC 27509
Any support offered to him would be greatly appreciated by him and his fellow friends and inmates. If you wish to remain anonymous please feel free to send via e-mail anything that you think he would enjoy to Harley.davivson@yahoo.com and I will personally see to it that it is printed and mailed to him asap.
Now would be a good time to show your support for a fallen brother
Thank You Bob Gallant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.61.120.97 ( talk) 23:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Stuck the motto back in with a reference. There are many for it, if one cares enough to look. Personally speaking, I am not 100% convinced clubs take these "mottos" as seriously as they are presented. It seems to me more like the cops use the same template for each club, and every club has to have one. But, references are references and are God around here apparently. -- Bridge Boy ( talk) 23:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I’m try to find tacos wife or kids to give them a few things taco gave me before he passed away. I was in prison with him and was the guy who took care of him until he passed and was a class friend 2601:680:CD00:A800:B8C6:51A5:25DB:F573 ( talk) 18:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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From Article: "Each chapter has a clubhouse. These clubhouses are used for "church meetings," parties, and privacy. They are usually secured by concrete walls, steel doors, razor wire, guard dogs, and video surveillance."
Is there proof of this? I'm not sure that every chapter has a clubhouse, and I doubt whether many of them would be secured to the extent that this makes it out to be. 01/30/2006
"The Outlaws collect information on their rivalries with other clubs. They primarily collect newspaper clippings regarding incidents with other clubs. On occasion, though, an Outlaws member will bribe a law enforcement officer to obtain information on the location of a rival club's members. Outlaws also travel, at the club's direction, to the funerals of fellow bikers."
Regarding: " The Taunton, Massachusetts Club house was raided, but due to immunity of the Brockton club house nothing happened." WTF does that mean?
98.176.116.13 (
talk) 00:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
As the Outlaws originated in Illinois (McCook, south side of Chicago) and their main base of criminal activity despite branching out throughout the United States remained Chicago for many decades, Somewhere in this article should point out that the current Chicago headquarters is, and for MANY years has been, Joliet, Illinois, or more distinctly, Ingalls Park in Joliet, Illinois. While the Outlaws presence has severely lessened in Joliet and all of Chicagoland since the 1980s after many arrests and prison sentences, the Chicago Outlaws still engage in criminal activity with their main center of operations being the Outlaws "clubhouse" on East Washington Street & Schonie Street, Ingalls Park, whose clubhouse largely displays the Outlaws name, slogan/motto GFOD (God Forgives Outlaws Don't) and the One Percenter logo. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Soco79 (
talk •
contribs) 15:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I question the statment that relates SS tatoo's to proof of a members violent history....the same thing was said of the Hells Angels, who also used the SS( "Filthy Few" in HAMC lexicon) symbol. The allegation that these tatoo's denoted certain criminal acts (murder etc.) in the HAMC has been widely discredited 195.7.34.195 10:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC) T.J. McKenzie It is used as a brand perse for the murder of a rival of any kind. I can assert that.
Incorrect. Satan's Choice was being monitored with heavy law enforcement tactics during the mid 1990's particularly 1996/7. Satan's Choice was a very strong club in Ontario Canada during thsi period. They were not patched over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TacticalTemplar ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Removed on May 5, 2010. Please clarify if incorrect with sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TacticalTemplar ( talk • contribs) 13:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I added that in there because everything else in the article, as far as I can tell, is just rumor and speculation. Since that incident was so recent I knew I could put the link up to the story to verify it. Scoop 20:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This article states that the Outlaws MC is now the biggest outlaw biker club, but cites no proof. The Hells Angels would disagree.
I reverted the change in category from Motorcycle Club to Motorcycle Gang. The Outlaws are, in fact, a motorcycle club. The term motorcycle gang has no concensus definition. Mmoyer 02:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed gobs of unreferenced material from this article and have begun searches for refs to support some of the less outlandish claims. Mmoyer 03:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Should a section also be included over the murder of Klimes? He was very prominent in the Lyons, Il chapter, and his murder has never been solved, though there is much specualtion. I remember 100's of bikers driving down 47th street in Brookfield, IL in 1981, when I was 10 years old. Nathraq 17:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone mind if I wikify the history section as per tag? Julia Rossi ( talk) 08:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It is believed that the Pagans have similar restrictions on membership to those of the Hells Angels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.157.255 ( talk) 16:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, the paragraphs inluding alleged detailed criminal activity needs to be removed or revamped.
A section of the page on alleged criminal activity, in a general fashoin, may be more professional than a crime by crime synopsis as we have on the page at the moment. I can see if an article is about one criminal, whose only claim to fame was crime. But in regards to a whole motorcycle club, listing various murders and others crimes seems out of place. anyone? Nathraq ( talk) 17:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed Pagans as an ally. The Pagans and Outlaws are not really allies, at the least they might have an on/off relationship. They have been fighting each other in Pennsylvania for some time now. I think the only thing that they do share is a mutual hatred for the Hells Angels. The citation for the Pagans as allies links to a story about the Mongols allying with the Pagans, not the Outlaws allying with the Pagans. 98.176.116.13 ( talk) 00:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
This edit is highly dubious. It's sourced to four articles, but in actuality it is one article with original reporting and 3 articles that parrot what the first article says. All they really have is photos of the subject associating with the Outlaws, wearing some emblems of one percenter culture. They assert that he is a full patch member but show no evidence whatsoever that he is any more than a hang around -- if that. Do two photos even prove you're a "hang around"? The articles imply that not only is he a full patch member, but that to be a full patch member you must have committed a crime. This is an egregious violation of Wikipedia's standards. Given that gossip doesn't belong on Wikipedia, what is any of this doing here? In what sense is this encyclopedic?
If these two photos turn out to be meaningful in any way, then reputable media outlets will no doubt report on it, and they'll include some facts. Until that happens, delete it. There should be no great hurry to spread negative claims about anybody. -- Dbratland ( talk) 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
David Allen Coe was a patched Outlaw earlier in his life. He initially refused to play in any city that had a Hells Angels chapter. Sources for this are all over the net and print media. Photo with an Outlaw 1% shirt: http://today-is-their-birthday.blogspot.com/2010/09/outlaw-country-music-singer-david-allan.html. 98.176.233.118 ( talk) 08:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/apr/15/blurt1/
"The agent, Austin-based Rob Devine, admits that he had to cancel the show after he allowed Brick by Brick to put the tickets on sale. Devine says that he didn’t know that San Diego was one of the cities (along with New York and San Francisco) that Coe refused to play because of a longtime promise he made to himself that he would never play in a town that is a home to Hells Angels.
“Back in the day, [Coe] was in a notorious biker gang called the Outlaws,” explains singer-guitarist Ron Houston, who fronts local country band Sickstring Outlaws. “The Hells Angels and the Outlaws were rivals. [Coe] says that, out of respect, he won’t play in a city that has an active Hells Angels chapter.”" 98.176.233.118 ( talk) 20:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
*Also this magazine webpage--- http://www.review-mag.com/archive/570-579/577/Ncoeinterview.htm
Outlaws in Ohio and Boston along with other locations there are chapters that are not listed. There have been Outlaw chapters in Ohio since the 50's. it surprised me you did not have them listed in your Outlaw's MC chapters list. Dayton and Columbus Ohio is where there chapters in Ohio are located. Also the Outlaws now have new chapters in the USA and around the world in which again, are not listed on your page stating where the chapters of the Outlaws MC are located. Where you can update your information at is www.outlawsmc.com I am sure they have a list of their chapters at their website. Also if you have any reasonable questions you would like answered I think you can also contact them at the aboved name webpage. Just trying to help Wikipedia out with good solid info for your article. I enjoy using your website many times during the year when researching different subjects. Have a great day people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.23.44 ( talk) 00:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I recently met and became friends with one of your brothers in Federal prison at FCI Fort Dix, Fort Dix NJ. Stokes Cook AKA Bear is his name and he is a good man as well as founding member of the club. Bear has recently been diagnosed and treated for cancer. This happened after my release but he and I are, and will remain in contact until one of us leaves this shitty world. He has recently been transferred to a Federal Medical Center at Butnam NC where he is undergoing further treatment. He has asked me to download and print out all the info on your web site and send it into him. As you know this is both a monumental and impossible task as most of your info can't be printed from the site for obvious reasons. Still, membership in your club has been his life and may now be his salvation as it may well help him find the strength he needs to fight and beat this disease. Any members or well wisher who would care to write to him and offer support to him in this time of need can do so by writing to:
Stokes Cook 09818-074 Federal Medical Center 4-B P.O. Box 1600 Room 4204 Butner NC 27509
Any support offered to him would be greatly appreciated by him and his fellow friends and inmates. If you wish to remain anonymous please feel free to send via e-mail anything that you think he would enjoy to Harley.davivson@yahoo.com and I will personally see to it that it is printed and mailed to him asap.
Now would be a good time to show your support for a fallen brother
Thank You Bob Gallant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.61.120.97 ( talk) 23:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Stuck the motto back in with a reference. There are many for it, if one cares enough to look. Personally speaking, I am not 100% convinced clubs take these "mottos" as seriously as they are presented. It seems to me more like the cops use the same template for each club, and every club has to have one. But, references are references and are God around here apparently. -- Bridge Boy ( talk) 23:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I’m try to find tacos wife or kids to give them a few things taco gave me before he passed away. I was in prison with him and was the guy who took care of him until he passed and was a class friend 2601:680:CD00:A800:B8C6:51A5:25DB:F573 ( talk) 18:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)