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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 16:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll take a look and start to leave some comments within the next few days. I am taking on board a batch of reviews, so it may be some time before I start to comment. I am also by nature a fairly slow and thorough reviewer who likes to check out sources, so this is unlikely to be quick. However, I am always willing to help out on the editing, and will make direct minor adjustments myself rather than list them. I always welcome discussion, and see the review process as entirely collaborative. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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Otis Redding is a high profile subject, attracting over 100,000 readers a month, and is a major topic. It is important that we deal appropriately with such subjects, and that we make them good articles, and when we do list them as Good Articles, that readers can feel confident that the article is well researched and sufficiently broad enough in coverage to give them a reasonable understanding of the topic. There is good information here, and it is organised in sections, and there are sources supporting the statements. The article presents as reasonably tidy and attractive. There is much to like here, and much that is useful. There is still work to be done however. The lead needs a bit more attention so that it does become an authoritative and well rounded overview of the subject. The prose needs a bit of attention to sharpen it up. There needs also to be an appropriate amount of information, and for the information to be presented in a balanced and proportionate manner. I think that the legacy section may be over-detailed. And while there is a section on Redding's singing, there is not a similar one on his song-writing. A significant song such as " Respect" is mentioned in only one sentence, and that makes it appear as though it were written by Sam Cooke. I don't know much about his work as a record producer, though it is mentioned in the first sentence, but not again in the article as far as I can see. The significant album Otis Blue is not discussed, simply mentioned in the Discography. My feeling at this stage is that the article is not quite at the tidying up for GA listing stage, but probably still needs a bit of work to do. That is not to say that the article cannot be made to meet the GA criteria within a reasonable space of time, but that it will require some work. I am willing to help out, though that help will be patchy. I'll put this on hold for 14 days for the following areas to be worked on:
As long as progress is being made I am willing to keep the review open and support work towards improving the article, though I don't anticipate the review being extended beyond October if the progress is slow and difficult. I should hope a decision would be made one way or the other by then. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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To make it easier to see what still needs doing, and to see if I can pass the article as it stands now, I'm wiping the blackboard and starting afresh. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Is English your first language? I ask because sometimes the text you add contains basic errors. "On Sunday she hosted talent shows", "winning on a 5$ contest fifteen times in a row", and "but it did not last long until he seperated from the group" might all be typos, but given the amount of them in just a few edits, and the general level of prose in the article, it gives me pause for thought. There are strategies we can explore if English is not your first language, such as using online grammar check services. It's also worth checking when you create a wikilink, that the link is spelt correctly and/or goes to the right article - look at Heebie Jeebies and Roxy Theatre. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This GAN has gone on for over a month, and it is the same things that have been mentioned right from the start that are preventing this article from being listed. The prose, the lead and the coverage. I don't think, however, that we are far from that listing, and though I know that GreatOrangePumpkin is keen for this GAN to be decided one way or the other, I think it might be worth holding out for one more week to see if the work can be done. I can't promise I'll find the time to help out as it seems that whenever I get onto Wikipedia there is somebody who wants me to do something and I am way behind on schedule for various things, but I think it's worth seeing if it's possible to do the work in seven days, and if not then close it down. A GAN that is so close is a decent motivator, while a failed GAN can be a bit of a downer. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Close on request as not-listed. Article can be nominated again after a peer review. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 16:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll take a look and start to leave some comments within the next few days. I am taking on board a batch of reviews, so it may be some time before I start to comment. I am also by nature a fairly slow and thorough reviewer who likes to check out sources, so this is unlikely to be quick. However, I am always willing to help out on the editing, and will make direct minor adjustments myself rather than list them. I always welcome discussion, and see the review process as entirely collaborative. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Initial comments
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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Otis Redding is a high profile subject, attracting over 100,000 readers a month, and is a major topic. It is important that we deal appropriately with such subjects, and that we make them good articles, and when we do list them as Good Articles, that readers can feel confident that the article is well researched and sufficiently broad enough in coverage to give them a reasonable understanding of the topic. There is good information here, and it is organised in sections, and there are sources supporting the statements. The article presents as reasonably tidy and attractive. There is much to like here, and much that is useful. There is still work to be done however. The lead needs a bit more attention so that it does become an authoritative and well rounded overview of the subject. The prose needs a bit of attention to sharpen it up. There needs also to be an appropriate amount of information, and for the information to be presented in a balanced and proportionate manner. I think that the legacy section may be over-detailed. And while there is a section on Redding's singing, there is not a similar one on his song-writing. A significant song such as " Respect" is mentioned in only one sentence, and that makes it appear as though it were written by Sam Cooke. I don't know much about his work as a record producer, though it is mentioned in the first sentence, but not again in the article as far as I can see. The significant album Otis Blue is not discussed, simply mentioned in the Discography. My feeling at this stage is that the article is not quite at the tidying up for GA listing stage, but probably still needs a bit of work to do. That is not to say that the article cannot be made to meet the GA criteria within a reasonable space of time, but that it will require some work. I am willing to help out, though that help will be patchy. I'll put this on hold for 14 days for the following areas to be worked on:
As long as progress is being made I am willing to keep the review open and support work towards improving the article, though I don't anticipate the review being extended beyond October if the progress is slow and difficult. I should hope a decision would be made one way or the other by then. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
To make it easier to see what still needs doing, and to see if I can pass the article as it stands now, I'm wiping the blackboard and starting afresh. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Is English your first language? I ask because sometimes the text you add contains basic errors. "On Sunday she hosted talent shows", "winning on a 5$ contest fifteen times in a row", and "but it did not last long until he seperated from the group" might all be typos, but given the amount of them in just a few edits, and the general level of prose in the article, it gives me pause for thought. There are strategies we can explore if English is not your first language, such as using online grammar check services. It's also worth checking when you create a wikilink, that the link is spelt correctly and/or goes to the right article - look at Heebie Jeebies and Roxy Theatre. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This GAN has gone on for over a month, and it is the same things that have been mentioned right from the start that are preventing this article from being listed. The prose, the lead and the coverage. I don't think, however, that we are far from that listing, and though I know that GreatOrangePumpkin is keen for this GAN to be decided one way or the other, I think it might be worth holding out for one more week to see if the work can be done. I can't promise I'll find the time to help out as it seems that whenever I get onto Wikipedia there is somebody who wants me to do something and I am way behind on schedule for various things, but I think it's worth seeing if it's possible to do the work in seven days, and if not then close it down. A GAN that is so close is a decent motivator, while a failed GAN can be a bit of a downer. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Close on request as not-listed. Article can be nominated again after a peer review. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)