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I have nominated this article for deletion because it does not meet the following tests:
In closing, we can not accuratly present history if as "historians" we are unable to seperate belief from fact, and assumptions from verifiable evidence. As such, I feel this article merits deletion until such time that the facts can be rewritten and presented in a fashion that can be tested and verified. Stude62 01:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The information on Oscar Marion was written up in the Washington Post in an article dated 12/16/2006. I originally cited this article when I wrote the entry; it appears to have been deleted subsequently. Moreover, the information on Marion is repeated in the presidential proclamation. I conducted no, repeat no, original research when writing this article; I simply combined the material from the newspaper account and the presidential decree. What sourcing do you need other than a major newspaper's reporting AND U.S. government recognition?
Tfirey, Thank you for your reply. When replying to meesages, please sign your user name by typing four tildas (example: ~~~~) - this will sign and date you posts as part of the record. Also, when adding comments, please do so at the BOTTOM of the page, not at the top. The purpose of following such a protocol helps people follow the dialogue
With regard to your comments:
I would also add that there is nothing in the article that would lead me, or any other reader for that matter, to reason tha Oscar Marion is notable for any reason other than his familial relationship to General Marion. As such, he most likely considered Non-notable, and more likely merit a mention in the General article, then one on his own.
I would add that in searches on A9.com, google.com, yahoo.com, etc. the returns for Oscar Marion seem to be limited to this article on Wikipedia and the proclomation.
Finally, I would ask that you read your talk page - I am asking that you refrain from removing the VFD tag on the page for two reasons. First, you simply can not remove an article from this process because you created it. Secondly, if other Wikipedians find that the article has merit, then it will not be deleted.
You may add verifiable information to the article to keep it from being deleted, however that information must be something tangible (ie checked by other people) and not heresay. Stude62 18:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Stude62, I thus assume that you have nominated the entry for the Virginia Tech massacre for removal, as that article, too, is written only from newspaper reports and government statements.
More seriously, the fact that you do not have easy Internet access to Ms. Jones' research does not mean that my entry is either (1) original research (clearly that's not the case), (2) that it's not verified, or (3) that it's not verifiable. It simply means that you can't easily verify the entry from your computer.
Concerning whether Oscar Marion is a historical figure: He's the subject of a presidential proclamation (please note the spelling of that term), an article in one of the nation's newspapers of record, and has been portrayed in film.
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I have nominated this article for deletion because it does not meet the following tests:
In closing, we can not accuratly present history if as "historians" we are unable to seperate belief from fact, and assumptions from verifiable evidence. As such, I feel this article merits deletion until such time that the facts can be rewritten and presented in a fashion that can be tested and verified. Stude62 01:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The information on Oscar Marion was written up in the Washington Post in an article dated 12/16/2006. I originally cited this article when I wrote the entry; it appears to have been deleted subsequently. Moreover, the information on Marion is repeated in the presidential proclamation. I conducted no, repeat no, original research when writing this article; I simply combined the material from the newspaper account and the presidential decree. What sourcing do you need other than a major newspaper's reporting AND U.S. government recognition?
Tfirey, Thank you for your reply. When replying to meesages, please sign your user name by typing four tildas (example: ~~~~) - this will sign and date you posts as part of the record. Also, when adding comments, please do so at the BOTTOM of the page, not at the top. The purpose of following such a protocol helps people follow the dialogue
With regard to your comments:
I would also add that there is nothing in the article that would lead me, or any other reader for that matter, to reason tha Oscar Marion is notable for any reason other than his familial relationship to General Marion. As such, he most likely considered Non-notable, and more likely merit a mention in the General article, then one on his own.
I would add that in searches on A9.com, google.com, yahoo.com, etc. the returns for Oscar Marion seem to be limited to this article on Wikipedia and the proclomation.
Finally, I would ask that you read your talk page - I am asking that you refrain from removing the VFD tag on the page for two reasons. First, you simply can not remove an article from this process because you created it. Secondly, if other Wikipedians find that the article has merit, then it will not be deleted.
You may add verifiable information to the article to keep it from being deleted, however that information must be something tangible (ie checked by other people) and not heresay. Stude62 18:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Stude62, I thus assume that you have nominated the entry for the Virginia Tech massacre for removal, as that article, too, is written only from newspaper reports and government statements.
More seriously, the fact that you do not have easy Internet access to Ms. Jones' research does not mean that my entry is either (1) original research (clearly that's not the case), (2) that it's not verified, or (3) that it's not verifiable. It simply means that you can't easily verify the entry from your computer.
Concerning whether Oscar Marion is a historical figure: He's the subject of a presidential proclamation (please note the spelling of that term), an article in one of the nation's newspapers of record, and has been portrayed in film.