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Again, a mediated solution was offered and all of you rejected entering in mediation. That means the mediation committee cannot work. That is why it was declined. If you continue to make reversions on a non-consensual basis, and there is no dispute mediation possible because you reject mediation, then please by all means, lets argue this with Wikipedia. There is plenty of examples above of multiple authors finding you and Mercy11 acting in inappropriate ownership fashion. This article has to change to reflect Wikipedia policy.
The changes you made increased the level of bias and agenda driven nature of the article. That is not appropriate for Wikipedia. You left the introduction with the what a few congress-persons want, but ignored that 90% of all congress-persons opposed the clemency to OLR. That is just a start. The article is riddled with these biases. The twitter campaign on Wikipedia? Really?
Again my goal here is to make a balanced presentation of the history of OLR. None of my proposals have lacked documented sourcing. I am confident of my sources, and you have biased sources. Rococo1700 ( talk) 05:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I have been threatened by Mercy11 with a topic ban. Why? because I take information a report from the US congress examining why OLR should not be granted clemency? My additional point is that this information is supported by multiple sources. Again, Mercy11, if you wanted to argue this, why didn't you join mediation. Finally, you seem to think my persistence is wrong, no! My persistence here is based on the clear lack of neutrality and bias in this article. I am more that willing to include the opinion of some that he is innocent or political prisoner. But I have been arguing here against your persistent insertion into the article those items as facts, not opinion. That continues to be wrong.
Also your statement that his nationality was Puerto Rican was one example of how you entered bias into the article, and why such a point was deleted from the article. Now are you saying that I should have a topic ban, when the evident bias is yours.
Do you want to argue the violent crime conviction. This is a fact, the congressional record states this, the judicial parole board states this, the monograph by Robert Belli makes this point. I do not back down from that point of fact. Rococo1700 ( talk) 05:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. The vote numbers for the 1999 congressional resolutions speak for themselves. You may throw out all the WP banners you want, but this fact is indisputable. You are clearly wrong. I think if you include the opinion of Pierluisi in the lead, one congressperson, then it is important to keep note that the majority of congresspersons, including a commissioner resident from Puerto Rico before Pierluisi opposed the clemency without restrictions.
Again you try to banner your way with nonsense. You constantly delete facts because you think the sources are not valid, including the information that the United States congress overwhelmingly voted to oppose the clemency, and I cite the congressional record. You delete any information, despite multiple sources, that has to do OLR's conviction for armed robbery.
Hey I try to keep it simple. OLR was convicted of armed robbery by a federal court, and that is a fact verified by multiple sources. The federal department of justice considers armed robbery a violent crime. Therefore, OLR was convicted of a violent crime.
I can also find you in Hahn's testimony, in the congressional report on the clemency, multiple references to violent acts by the FALN. Active participation in the violent acts of a criminal organization means that you are a violent criminal. He was linked to bomb factories and bomb making. you continue to say that OLR is not a terrorist, or that the FALN is not considered a terrorist organization, even though the chicago tribune and new york times repeatedly refer to the FALN as a terrorist organization, is part of your bias. The present paragraphy begins to incorporate these concepts into the biography. I am more than willing to allow you to have others have the opinion that he is no longer violent, or that they think his violence was justified, or even that they think he was non-violent. I think we need to give more respect to the opinion of multiple courts of law including jury trials, the congress of united states, and law enforcement that OLR participated in violent crimes. Rococo1700 ( talk) 03:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, U.S.A. OLR was born in Puerto Rico, U.S.A.
When OLR mails a letter to Puerto Rico. He uses the U.S.A. Postal service to deliver the letter from his jail cell to the doorstep of Puerto Rico. Case closed.
My understanding is that JBabylon has been blocked for this. Then I am willing to start a mediation that decides this. In the case of OLR, the issue is important. He claimed he was a prisoner of war, despite the fact that he was born and had lived as an American Citizen by virtue of his birth. I don't think Mercy11 gets to declare Puerto Rico independent of the USA, not part of the USA by using biographical boxes. Again, he seems to think his opinions are the truth. My sense is that the PR like other states or territories, should be included as part of its greater whole. Rococo1700 ( talk) 18:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
In the article there is a reliably sourced passage that reads, "...several FALN documents, including a manual for guerrilla warfare detailing deceptive practices and rules of clandestine living titled Posición Política. Is it possible that it is referring to this document? [1] Hammersbach ( talk) 15:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Again, a mediated solution was offered and all of you rejected entering in mediation. That means the mediation committee cannot work. That is why it was declined. If you continue to make reversions on a non-consensual basis, and there is no dispute mediation possible because you reject mediation, then please by all means, lets argue this with Wikipedia. There is plenty of examples above of multiple authors finding you and Mercy11 acting in inappropriate ownership fashion. This article has to change to reflect Wikipedia policy.
The changes you made increased the level of bias and agenda driven nature of the article. That is not appropriate for Wikipedia. You left the introduction with the what a few congress-persons want, but ignored that 90% of all congress-persons opposed the clemency to OLR. That is just a start. The article is riddled with these biases. The twitter campaign on Wikipedia? Really?
Again my goal here is to make a balanced presentation of the history of OLR. None of my proposals have lacked documented sourcing. I am confident of my sources, and you have biased sources. Rococo1700 ( talk) 05:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I have been threatened by Mercy11 with a topic ban. Why? because I take information a report from the US congress examining why OLR should not be granted clemency? My additional point is that this information is supported by multiple sources. Again, Mercy11, if you wanted to argue this, why didn't you join mediation. Finally, you seem to think my persistence is wrong, no! My persistence here is based on the clear lack of neutrality and bias in this article. I am more that willing to include the opinion of some that he is innocent or political prisoner. But I have been arguing here against your persistent insertion into the article those items as facts, not opinion. That continues to be wrong.
Also your statement that his nationality was Puerto Rican was one example of how you entered bias into the article, and why such a point was deleted from the article. Now are you saying that I should have a topic ban, when the evident bias is yours.
Do you want to argue the violent crime conviction. This is a fact, the congressional record states this, the judicial parole board states this, the monograph by Robert Belli makes this point. I do not back down from that point of fact. Rococo1700 ( talk) 05:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. The vote numbers for the 1999 congressional resolutions speak for themselves. You may throw out all the WP banners you want, but this fact is indisputable. You are clearly wrong. I think if you include the opinion of Pierluisi in the lead, one congressperson, then it is important to keep note that the majority of congresspersons, including a commissioner resident from Puerto Rico before Pierluisi opposed the clemency without restrictions.
Again you try to banner your way with nonsense. You constantly delete facts because you think the sources are not valid, including the information that the United States congress overwhelmingly voted to oppose the clemency, and I cite the congressional record. You delete any information, despite multiple sources, that has to do OLR's conviction for armed robbery.
Hey I try to keep it simple. OLR was convicted of armed robbery by a federal court, and that is a fact verified by multiple sources. The federal department of justice considers armed robbery a violent crime. Therefore, OLR was convicted of a violent crime.
I can also find you in Hahn's testimony, in the congressional report on the clemency, multiple references to violent acts by the FALN. Active participation in the violent acts of a criminal organization means that you are a violent criminal. He was linked to bomb factories and bomb making. you continue to say that OLR is not a terrorist, or that the FALN is not considered a terrorist organization, even though the chicago tribune and new york times repeatedly refer to the FALN as a terrorist organization, is part of your bias. The present paragraphy begins to incorporate these concepts into the biography. I am more than willing to allow you to have others have the opinion that he is no longer violent, or that they think his violence was justified, or even that they think he was non-violent. I think we need to give more respect to the opinion of multiple courts of law including jury trials, the congress of united states, and law enforcement that OLR participated in violent crimes. Rococo1700 ( talk) 03:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, U.S.A. OLR was born in Puerto Rico, U.S.A.
When OLR mails a letter to Puerto Rico. He uses the U.S.A. Postal service to deliver the letter from his jail cell to the doorstep of Puerto Rico. Case closed.
My understanding is that JBabylon has been blocked for this. Then I am willing to start a mediation that decides this. In the case of OLR, the issue is important. He claimed he was a prisoner of war, despite the fact that he was born and had lived as an American Citizen by virtue of his birth. I don't think Mercy11 gets to declare Puerto Rico independent of the USA, not part of the USA by using biographical boxes. Again, he seems to think his opinions are the truth. My sense is that the PR like other states or territories, should be included as part of its greater whole. Rococo1700 ( talk) 18:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
In the article there is a reliably sourced passage that reads, "...several FALN documents, including a manual for guerrilla warfare detailing deceptive practices and rules of clandestine living titled Posición Política. Is it possible that it is referring to this document? [1] Hammersbach ( talk) 15:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)