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There should be the origin of the Orthodox Tewahedo Biblical Canon. For example, was it from the original Greek Septuagint and such? Komitsuki ( talk) 14:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
@ ChilternGiant: A few weaks ago, yoy radically changed the list of the orthodox Tewahedo canonical books, with the argument that your list contains the 81 books of the Ethiopian Bible as printed in Ethiopian Orthodox Bibles (as opposed to theoretical lists printed on various websites but never found anywhere in print). Actually, you seem to dismiss the whole idea that there exists a "narrower" and a "broader" canon. In fact, although you did not consistently change the discussion of "the narrower canon" vz. "the broader canon" in this article, here you changed Catholic Bible#Differences from other Christian Bibles, and explicitly wrote
None of these changes was supported by any reference at all.
Actually, the revisions here and in the Catholic Bible could be summed up as the following implicit statements:
ChilternGiant, for all I know, your implicit claims (or most of them) could be correct. I'm aware of your broad work with articles concerning bible translations into many languages, and I think that you know much more about bible versions than I do. (However, I'm rather doubtful of your implicit claim that the list in http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html simply is false. I could imagine the possibility that it is obsolete, but I can hardly believe that it is just a "theory on some web sites", with no factual foundation at all, as you indicate.) However, your claims are rather far-reaching, and if they are correct they must be documented before they are accepted in our articles.
If you cannot or do not wish to document your claims, then I fear that your changes must be reverted; which is a pity, if they are true. Also, if you have misunderstood the situation a bit, but there actually are at least some printed Orthodox Tewahedo bibles with the content you describe, then this in itself is a fact which is interesting enough to keep.
Provided, of course, that you can give some reference even to such a claim.
Best regards, JoergenB ( talk) 20:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
No they can be sourced here [ [1]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeymanderson3 ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
what's the real list in the Ethiopian Bible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:e0a:4e7:d8f0:b569:7038:1ab7:85e7 ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The list can be sourced her [ [2]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeymanderson3 ( talk • contribs) 04:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
but the broader canon is still in their canon? If so, why didn't they ever print it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:4E7:D8F0:A82A:A790:CF37:DA35 ( talk) 18:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
while researching Wikipedia discussions I came across a person who seems to know a lot about this subject, he gives us his opinion on the Ethiopian canon. Here's his quote: " Neil Rees ('Studge') of bfbs linguistic computing recently visited Ethiopia. Afterwards, he emailed me a document entitled Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament, with the following cover note: I have just got back from the Bible Society of Ethiopia. In looking on the Internet I have found a lot of false information about the Ethiopian canon which mention broad and narrow canons. There are only 2 canons printed in Ethiopia: the Protestant 66 book canon and the Ethiopian Orthodox 81 book canon (called the narrow canon). The so-called broad canon has never been printed and is of academic interest only. I was looking at your page http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Book_Abbreviations I submit the list of books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible as published by the Bible Society since 1962. I have converted his document to PDF and uploaded it to my user space here. David Haslam 15:29, 25 March 2011 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:4E7:D8F0:3D76:91D4:BF0E:B56A ( talk)
I realize that the topic "the canon" is what it is regardless of language of the particular Bible, but I think many readers would be interested in the language used in this version. ZeroXero ( talk) 20:12, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
To begin: May I send 2 pictures in this “talk page” to help explain the weirdness of what I’m getting at about the Ethiopian Bible Books? Craig Lungren ( talk) 05:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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There should be the origin of the Orthodox Tewahedo Biblical Canon. For example, was it from the original Greek Septuagint and such? Komitsuki ( talk) 14:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
@ ChilternGiant: A few weaks ago, yoy radically changed the list of the orthodox Tewahedo canonical books, with the argument that your list contains the 81 books of the Ethiopian Bible as printed in Ethiopian Orthodox Bibles (as opposed to theoretical lists printed on various websites but never found anywhere in print). Actually, you seem to dismiss the whole idea that there exists a "narrower" and a "broader" canon. In fact, although you did not consistently change the discussion of "the narrower canon" vz. "the broader canon" in this article, here you changed Catholic Bible#Differences from other Christian Bibles, and explicitly wrote
None of these changes was supported by any reference at all.
Actually, the revisions here and in the Catholic Bible could be summed up as the following implicit statements:
ChilternGiant, for all I know, your implicit claims (or most of them) could be correct. I'm aware of your broad work with articles concerning bible translations into many languages, and I think that you know much more about bible versions than I do. (However, I'm rather doubtful of your implicit claim that the list in http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html simply is false. I could imagine the possibility that it is obsolete, but I can hardly believe that it is just a "theory on some web sites", with no factual foundation at all, as you indicate.) However, your claims are rather far-reaching, and if they are correct they must be documented before they are accepted in our articles.
If you cannot or do not wish to document your claims, then I fear that your changes must be reverted; which is a pity, if they are true. Also, if you have misunderstood the situation a bit, but there actually are at least some printed Orthodox Tewahedo bibles with the content you describe, then this in itself is a fact which is interesting enough to keep.
Provided, of course, that you can give some reference even to such a claim.
Best regards, JoergenB ( talk) 20:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
No they can be sourced here [ [1]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeymanderson3 ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
what's the real list in the Ethiopian Bible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:e0a:4e7:d8f0:b569:7038:1ab7:85e7 ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The list can be sourced her [ [2]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeymanderson3 ( talk • contribs) 04:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
but the broader canon is still in their canon? If so, why didn't they ever print it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:4E7:D8F0:A82A:A790:CF37:DA35 ( talk) 18:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
while researching Wikipedia discussions I came across a person who seems to know a lot about this subject, he gives us his opinion on the Ethiopian canon. Here's his quote: " Neil Rees ('Studge') of bfbs linguistic computing recently visited Ethiopia. Afterwards, he emailed me a document entitled Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament, with the following cover note: I have just got back from the Bible Society of Ethiopia. In looking on the Internet I have found a lot of false information about the Ethiopian canon which mention broad and narrow canons. There are only 2 canons printed in Ethiopia: the Protestant 66 book canon and the Ethiopian Orthodox 81 book canon (called the narrow canon). The so-called broad canon has never been printed and is of academic interest only. I was looking at your page http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Book_Abbreviations I submit the list of books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible as published by the Bible Society since 1962. I have converted his document to PDF and uploaded it to my user space here. David Haslam 15:29, 25 March 2011 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:4E7:D8F0:3D76:91D4:BF0E:B56A ( talk)
I realize that the topic "the canon" is what it is regardless of language of the particular Bible, but I think many readers would be interested in the language used in this version. ZeroXero ( talk) 20:12, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
To begin: May I send 2 pictures in this “talk page” to help explain the weirdness of what I’m getting at about the Ethiopian Bible Books? Craig Lungren ( talk) 05:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)