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I tried editing an unsourced and un-nuanced sentence in the beginning of the article that refers to Orthodoxy as a "modern movement" that originated with breakdown of the Jewish community in Europe to the following: The label arose in the Ashkenazi world during the breakdown of the autonomous Jewish community since the 18th century to describe those who maintained traditional beliefs and customs, and in more recent times has also been applied to traditional Sephardic Jews. (And I sourced it with an article by Professor Zion Zohar in the Worldmark Encyclopedia of Religious Practices)
Additionally I removed an unsourced sentence that refers to Rabbi Moses Sofer as the "father of Orthodoxy" which represents a blatant Ashkenazi bias.
My edits were reverted by user AddMore-III claiming that my edits were "making claims contrary to what you'll find in any academic source" (even though I quoted an academic source). Obviously not interested in edit warring which is why I'm being this here but I'm not sure what about my edits AddMore-III thinks contradicted academic sources. Is Orthodoxy not a label that arose in the 18th century to describe those who maintained traditional beliefs and customs? Are observant Sephardic Jews members of a modern movement that began during the breakdown of the European Jewish community which they never experienced? Is Rabbi Moses Sofer the father of the observant Sefardic community (even indirectly)?
In general it is worth noting that this article leaves Sefardic (and Yemenite for that matter) Jews out of the narrative almost entirely; it seems as though Sefardic and Yemenite Jews first began to exist when the State of Israel was founded and that the traditions and beliefs which they maintained for thousands of years are just the outgrowth of some 18th century Ashkenazi "movement." Shaked13 ( talk) 06:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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I tried editing an unsourced and un-nuanced sentence in the beginning of the article that refers to Orthodoxy as a "modern movement" that originated with breakdown of the Jewish community in Europe to the following: The label arose in the Ashkenazi world during the breakdown of the autonomous Jewish community since the 18th century to describe those who maintained traditional beliefs and customs, and in more recent times has also been applied to traditional Sephardic Jews. (And I sourced it with an article by Professor Zion Zohar in the Worldmark Encyclopedia of Religious Practices)
Additionally I removed an unsourced sentence that refers to Rabbi Moses Sofer as the "father of Orthodoxy" which represents a blatant Ashkenazi bias.
My edits were reverted by user AddMore-III claiming that my edits were "making claims contrary to what you'll find in any academic source" (even though I quoted an academic source). Obviously not interested in edit warring which is why I'm being this here but I'm not sure what about my edits AddMore-III thinks contradicted academic sources. Is Orthodoxy not a label that arose in the 18th century to describe those who maintained traditional beliefs and customs? Are observant Sephardic Jews members of a modern movement that began during the breakdown of the European Jewish community which they never experienced? Is Rabbi Moses Sofer the father of the observant Sefardic community (even indirectly)?
In general it is worth noting that this article leaves Sefardic (and Yemenite for that matter) Jews out of the narrative almost entirely; it seems as though Sefardic and Yemenite Jews first began to exist when the State of Israel was founded and that the traditions and beliefs which they maintained for thousands of years are just the outgrowth of some 18th century Ashkenazi "movement." Shaked13 ( talk) 06:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)