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Wikipedia software failed to show correctly my changes since the first version. Therefore I created an intermediate verison to see the actual diff here. - Altenmann >t 18:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed a number of pieces I concluded unnecessary. Most of the cases I hope the reason is clear from edit summarfy. However one case deserves explanation, since the reason may be unclear for a modern, especially Western reader.
Full context:
I am sure this text is taken from the source, but it just as well reflects the author's misunderstanding of the circumstances. And the circumstances were the unprecendented, huge number of show trials and " kangaroo courts" in the Soviet state based on tolally concocted sets of accusations, of treason, sabotage, and whats not. Within this paranoia various groups of people were routinely accused of conspiracy. And within this atmosphere a number of cliches emerged. In particular, when the accused were the members of the Soviet establisment (members of the Communist Party, Komsomol, Soviet trade unions, etc.) the verdict included a standard phrasing to the end that "these scoundrels sneakily infested our Party and Soviet organs blablaba", peppered with liberal amounts of pejoratives.
In view of the above, while formally correct, the stricken phrase creates a somewhat distorted picture of causes and effects: the fact that orphans became komsomol members per se was neutral. However depending on the future fate of the person in question, this fact was colored differently. As long as the person was out of the focus of the "sleepless eye" of cheka/nkvd/kgb, he was praised an example of a new, "reforged" member of the "growing rows of the builders of Communism". But as soon as he fell under the Soviet juggernaut, all his actions were interpreted turned upside out: all his selfless devotion to the "Communist cause" was nothing but treacherous disguise of (thusly doubly dangerous) enemies of the people.
I will be happy to explain any other of my deletions, if reasonably questioned. - Altenmann >t 17:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
There are several places in the text which do not catch an eye of an unsuspecting reader, yet they are tips of the pieces of Soviet life deserving a larger note. One of them is "North Caucausus railroad" randomly mentioned en passant. I slighly tweaked the sentence, to increase the prominince/relevance, but it still deserves expansion in context of the current article. This is a note to myself, to get back to it when I lay my hands on good sources. Ask me if puzzled, and I will give an informal explanation. - Altenmann >t 17:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Another phrase is "adults caught in occupied zones did not pass their criminality on to their children". You may or may not be wondering what was the particular criminality of the "adults caught in occupied zones". (and the inquisitive some may even be wondering, "occupied by whom?".) - Altenmann >t 17:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
The page isn't about orphans, it's about street children. Please compare the interwiki and the prase Most ‘orphans’ actually had parents, but left their families due to abuse or lack of security. Xx236 ( talk) 07:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I moved the article back to the original title: the article is not only about the topic of street children. Please let me now if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Xx236 ( talk) 09:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the section called "Abandoned children, 1918–1930" is directly stolen (word for word) from chapter two of "And Now My Soul Is Hardened." I don't have the time to correct this now but I thought someone should know. Thanks. - 8.41.27.80 ( talk) 21:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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This needs copy edited for neutrality, and generally groups all Besprizornye into one group, implying one shared experience rather than individuality. Quotes could be paraphrased to remove the “poor little children” tone that is heavily used here. BuggS8263 ( talk) 18:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia software failed to show correctly my changes since the first version. Therefore I created an intermediate verison to see the actual diff here. - Altenmann >t 18:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed a number of pieces I concluded unnecessary. Most of the cases I hope the reason is clear from edit summarfy. However one case deserves explanation, since the reason may be unclear for a modern, especially Western reader.
Full context:
I am sure this text is taken from the source, but it just as well reflects the author's misunderstanding of the circumstances. And the circumstances were the unprecendented, huge number of show trials and " kangaroo courts" in the Soviet state based on tolally concocted sets of accusations, of treason, sabotage, and whats not. Within this paranoia various groups of people were routinely accused of conspiracy. And within this atmosphere a number of cliches emerged. In particular, when the accused were the members of the Soviet establisment (members of the Communist Party, Komsomol, Soviet trade unions, etc.) the verdict included a standard phrasing to the end that "these scoundrels sneakily infested our Party and Soviet organs blablaba", peppered with liberal amounts of pejoratives.
In view of the above, while formally correct, the stricken phrase creates a somewhat distorted picture of causes and effects: the fact that orphans became komsomol members per se was neutral. However depending on the future fate of the person in question, this fact was colored differently. As long as the person was out of the focus of the "sleepless eye" of cheka/nkvd/kgb, he was praised an example of a new, "reforged" member of the "growing rows of the builders of Communism". But as soon as he fell under the Soviet juggernaut, all his actions were interpreted turned upside out: all his selfless devotion to the "Communist cause" was nothing but treacherous disguise of (thusly doubly dangerous) enemies of the people.
I will be happy to explain any other of my deletions, if reasonably questioned. - Altenmann >t 17:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
There are several places in the text which do not catch an eye of an unsuspecting reader, yet they are tips of the pieces of Soviet life deserving a larger note. One of them is "North Caucausus railroad" randomly mentioned en passant. I slighly tweaked the sentence, to increase the prominince/relevance, but it still deserves expansion in context of the current article. This is a note to myself, to get back to it when I lay my hands on good sources. Ask me if puzzled, and I will give an informal explanation. - Altenmann >t 17:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Another phrase is "adults caught in occupied zones did not pass their criminality on to their children". You may or may not be wondering what was the particular criminality of the "adults caught in occupied zones". (and the inquisitive some may even be wondering, "occupied by whom?".) - Altenmann >t 17:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
The page isn't about orphans, it's about street children. Please compare the interwiki and the prase Most ‘orphans’ actually had parents, but left their families due to abuse or lack of security. Xx236 ( talk) 07:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I moved the article back to the original title: the article is not only about the topic of street children. Please let me now if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Xx236 ( talk) 09:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the section called "Abandoned children, 1918–1930" is directly stolen (word for word) from chapter two of "And Now My Soul Is Hardened." I don't have the time to correct this now but I thought someone should know. Thanks. - 8.41.27.80 ( talk) 21:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see
"using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or
"donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 16:58, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
This needs copy edited for neutrality, and generally groups all Besprizornye into one group, implying one shared experience rather than individuality. Quotes could be paraphrased to remove the “poor little children” tone that is heavily used here. BuggS8263 ( talk) 18:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)