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I reverted intothedark's edits because they are wrong. He is confusing the 417 with the Queensway. The Queensway goes from Orleans to Kanata, while the 417 is the highway that veers off. It becomes 174 though. Secondly, Orleans was on the border between Cumberland and Gloucester like the article says. Look at a map. Actually, a map will tell you about the Queensway too. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
You are incorrect. The 417 runs from the split out to past Arnprior now. The Queensway is a purely arbitrary name, and is not commonly used to refer to Regional Road 174. Orleans was part of Gloucester. It was never a separate municipality. It was under the administrative control of the municipality of Gloucester, and only the Municipality of Gloucester. Orleans was never part of Cumberland, which was a separate township. You need to check your facts. I know maps clearly display Orleans as lying between Cumberland and Gloucester. But those maps do not reflect the true nature of the administrative reality. Orleans was a 'suburb' to use the term very loosely, of Gloucester. Further, many maps, including mapquest.com still use incorrect names for Regional Road 174. You should look up information about the provincial downloading that occurred, which transferred Highway 17 to the City of Ottawa, and thus resulted in the creation of Regional Road 174. It is possible to call R.R. 174 The Queensway, as that is an unofficial name. The official names are Highway 417, which runs from the Ontario/Quebec border, through the split near St. Laurent, out to roughly Arnprior now, and then becomes Highway 17. Past the split we find the 417 veers off toward South Ottawa (then on to Montreal). The other end of that split leads us to R.R. 174. Drive it, you'll see that's what the sign says. Everything that I changed can be found on other pages at wikipedia, including the information about Highway 417, which you could also get from the MTO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intothedark ( talk • contribs)
Well if you insist on reverting to factually incorrect information, fine. It is sad for wikipedia. I present the proof to what I say, I challenge you to do the same.
Highway 417 is the highway that runs from arnprior through Ottawa, veering southwards at the split near St. Laurent. All provincial highways are numbered, some have been assigned names in addition to their numbering. Highway 417, and it alone is factually referred to as the Queensway, though some also extend the name to R.R. 174.
The Proof: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/engineering/417ea/ - a map nearly halfway down the page clearly shows Highway 417, and R.R. 174. One is owned and operated by the province (417) and the other by the city R.R. 174. This was the result of provincial downloading under the Harris government. Also, the 417, even through Ottawa falls under O.P.P. jurisdiction, while the 174 is under City of Ottawa police jurisdiction. However, the forces work together.
See Also:
Now for Orleans, if you look under the archived city council minutes of the former municipality of Gloucester you will see things like:
(i) the new residential development area in Chapel Hill South;
(iii) establishing all-way "Stop" controls at the Beausejour Drive/Country Walk Drive intersection in Chapel Hill (Rodney Pitchers, Head of Traffic Operations, ext. 4190).
THis is all available in the minutes located at http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/archives/gloucester/council/council_agendas.html
I challenge you to show me the proof that what I say, and back up, is incorrect. Wikipedia is only a great source if information is correct. I am not interested in arguing at all, I am interested in ensuring factual information. I will concede that we could be more specific, and state that R.R. 174 is sometimes referred to as the Queensway by locals, that is true...-Intothedark
The area in Cumberland is known as "Orleans East" by the city. Why would they call it that if it weren't part of Orleans? -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't dispute any of what you say in your last discussion post. I will not revert the page again, but I feel it should be clarified. The MapArt Road Atlas is not a government printed map, and the map I directed you to was. You can certainly call the 174 'The Queensway'. However the official MTO position is that 'The Queensway' refers to the 417 from Boundary Road to the 416. It was on the page I posted. Nonetheless, I don't have a problem with that. But at least clarify the page so it states that the section of Queensway to which you are referring is technically known as R.R. 174.
The city map you showed is a post-amalgamation map. Further, it is a map of suburban neighborhoods, as it is titled. You will note that the communities of Mer Bleu and South March, among others, do not correspond to administrative jurisdictions, which is the change I made. You are ignoring fact.
I will concede that I am not absolutely sure that all of what has been, or is now considered Orleans, fell within the pre-amalgamation administrative jurisdiction of Gloucester. Yet, you can't deny that at least part of it did. The page to which I directed you was proof of that. Further, I lived in Orleans for quite a few years, pre, and post-amalgamation. Park signs all bore the city of Gloucester logo. Further, our tax bill was from the city of Gloucester. I think clarifications to the page are in order, but since you reject mine, I ask you or someone else to make them.
I am disappointed that you refuted evidence from government sources with "Map Art Road Map". Following that logic, I could prove that R.R. 174 doesn't exist! But rather that it is called Highway 17, as mapquest purports. You are no friend of wikipedia, or academia. It is also sad that you are unable to admit you are wrong. To those who use wikipedia, I strongly urge you to never rely on it. It's accuracy is in my opinion highly questionable. You should go back to your fantastical 'Amerada'... lol... Intothedark
I would just to add a point to this HEATED debate that some older maps mentionned about an existant Cumberland Township (embedded inside the old Cumberland) that covered the eastern part of Orleans (from Place d'Orleans or Champlain Street and east) with Cumberland east of that until Rockland, although the Pathfinder Map (from Carp, Ontario by the way) in the later pages put a figure of the Ottawa-Carleton region with just Cumberland which makes it confusing. But I find this odd that they had designated Cumberland Township for the populated portion instead of Cumberland period. I know that formally that land wasn't occupied (thus was a township before the Orleans sprawl) until the mid or late 1980's, and maybe they didn't bother changing it or it is just an error by the map company. Anyway I think the Township part was probably run by the former city of Cumberland. -- JForget 03:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been making links in french articles to Orléans, but it always brings to Orléans, french. I go to the disambigous to Orléans, Ontario, but it still redirects to France. Does anyone know if there is a french version to this article? I also wrote a note in the disambugous page paat 22:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the developping part east of Trim Road (Springridge & Valin) part of Fallingbrook or is a different community.-- JForget 17:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What should the pic include? Blv St. Joseph, Orléans main road? Or Innes maybe - since its all new?... paat 02:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
St-Joseph could be used as the first photo since it was the main street when it was still a village. Probably also photos of newer areas can be put in the article as well.-- JForget 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I have added two historical pictures of Orleans taken on June 1, 1982 to the "History" section of this article. I found them while going through and sorting/digitizing a large collection of unsorted photographs taken by various members of my family. The pictures show Place as it existed then as well as the old Normandy Hotel and the intersection of Champlain and Highway 17. As a lifelong resident of the area I suspect I will come across many other interesting historical shots of Orleans as my photographic sorting project continues and I will contribute more as appropriate. Php man ( talk) 13:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have added a new pic that I found in the family archives. This picture shows St. Joseph Blvd. near Place D'Orleans (looking towards the Duford hill) as it appeared circa 1971 (the picture was taken by my father while looking at our future home in Queenswood Heights). At the same time I removed the picture that was basically a duplicate of the Place image (showing a zoom of the Champlain/Highway 17 intersection). I have a few other images (a reverse view looking down the Duford hill in 1971 and two images of Place shortly after construction in 1979). Is there interest in establishing a picture gallery here? I will gladly donate them. Php man ( talk) 18:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for giving a precision. I've thought it was called Millenium, considering OC Transpo has put Millenium as a future transit station probably based on the developping area near Trim Road.-- JForget 22:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
WTF? 67.68.18.74 00:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The article contends that English residents typically pronounce it "orleenz", which is true. But it then goes on to say that this is similar to how english people pronounce New Orleans. In my experience, this is not true. English people typically pronounce New Orleans "new or-lee-ins" (3 syllables), which is different than the local "or-leenz" (2 syllables). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.255.51 ( talk) 10:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I have fixed it, by deleting the phrase saying the pronunciations are the same. Now, it merely gives the local pronunciation. (-Belegdal)
The City of Ottawa refers to the neighbourhood as "Orléans", and the ward also uses the accent ( City of Ottawa - Ward 1 - Orléans). Should the entire article not be consistent with this usage? If "Orléans" is simply the "native name" (not common or official name) then the article should be moved to Orleans, Ontario. - M.Nelson ( talk) 04:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. GoodDay ( talk) 23:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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I reverted intothedark's edits because they are wrong. He is confusing the 417 with the Queensway. The Queensway goes from Orleans to Kanata, while the 417 is the highway that veers off. It becomes 174 though. Secondly, Orleans was on the border between Cumberland and Gloucester like the article says. Look at a map. Actually, a map will tell you about the Queensway too. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
You are incorrect. The 417 runs from the split out to past Arnprior now. The Queensway is a purely arbitrary name, and is not commonly used to refer to Regional Road 174. Orleans was part of Gloucester. It was never a separate municipality. It was under the administrative control of the municipality of Gloucester, and only the Municipality of Gloucester. Orleans was never part of Cumberland, which was a separate township. You need to check your facts. I know maps clearly display Orleans as lying between Cumberland and Gloucester. But those maps do not reflect the true nature of the administrative reality. Orleans was a 'suburb' to use the term very loosely, of Gloucester. Further, many maps, including mapquest.com still use incorrect names for Regional Road 174. You should look up information about the provincial downloading that occurred, which transferred Highway 17 to the City of Ottawa, and thus resulted in the creation of Regional Road 174. It is possible to call R.R. 174 The Queensway, as that is an unofficial name. The official names are Highway 417, which runs from the Ontario/Quebec border, through the split near St. Laurent, out to roughly Arnprior now, and then becomes Highway 17. Past the split we find the 417 veers off toward South Ottawa (then on to Montreal). The other end of that split leads us to R.R. 174. Drive it, you'll see that's what the sign says. Everything that I changed can be found on other pages at wikipedia, including the information about Highway 417, which you could also get from the MTO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intothedark ( talk • contribs)
Well if you insist on reverting to factually incorrect information, fine. It is sad for wikipedia. I present the proof to what I say, I challenge you to do the same.
Highway 417 is the highway that runs from arnprior through Ottawa, veering southwards at the split near St. Laurent. All provincial highways are numbered, some have been assigned names in addition to their numbering. Highway 417, and it alone is factually referred to as the Queensway, though some also extend the name to R.R. 174.
The Proof: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/engineering/417ea/ - a map nearly halfway down the page clearly shows Highway 417, and R.R. 174. One is owned and operated by the province (417) and the other by the city R.R. 174. This was the result of provincial downloading under the Harris government. Also, the 417, even through Ottawa falls under O.P.P. jurisdiction, while the 174 is under City of Ottawa police jurisdiction. However, the forces work together.
See Also:
Now for Orleans, if you look under the archived city council minutes of the former municipality of Gloucester you will see things like:
(i) the new residential development area in Chapel Hill South;
(iii) establishing all-way "Stop" controls at the Beausejour Drive/Country Walk Drive intersection in Chapel Hill (Rodney Pitchers, Head of Traffic Operations, ext. 4190).
THis is all available in the minutes located at http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/archives/gloucester/council/council_agendas.html
I challenge you to show me the proof that what I say, and back up, is incorrect. Wikipedia is only a great source if information is correct. I am not interested in arguing at all, I am interested in ensuring factual information. I will concede that we could be more specific, and state that R.R. 174 is sometimes referred to as the Queensway by locals, that is true...-Intothedark
The area in Cumberland is known as "Orleans East" by the city. Why would they call it that if it weren't part of Orleans? -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't dispute any of what you say in your last discussion post. I will not revert the page again, but I feel it should be clarified. The MapArt Road Atlas is not a government printed map, and the map I directed you to was. You can certainly call the 174 'The Queensway'. However the official MTO position is that 'The Queensway' refers to the 417 from Boundary Road to the 416. It was on the page I posted. Nonetheless, I don't have a problem with that. But at least clarify the page so it states that the section of Queensway to which you are referring is technically known as R.R. 174.
The city map you showed is a post-amalgamation map. Further, it is a map of suburban neighborhoods, as it is titled. You will note that the communities of Mer Bleu and South March, among others, do not correspond to administrative jurisdictions, which is the change I made. You are ignoring fact.
I will concede that I am not absolutely sure that all of what has been, or is now considered Orleans, fell within the pre-amalgamation administrative jurisdiction of Gloucester. Yet, you can't deny that at least part of it did. The page to which I directed you was proof of that. Further, I lived in Orleans for quite a few years, pre, and post-amalgamation. Park signs all bore the city of Gloucester logo. Further, our tax bill was from the city of Gloucester. I think clarifications to the page are in order, but since you reject mine, I ask you or someone else to make them.
I am disappointed that you refuted evidence from government sources with "Map Art Road Map". Following that logic, I could prove that R.R. 174 doesn't exist! But rather that it is called Highway 17, as mapquest purports. You are no friend of wikipedia, or academia. It is also sad that you are unable to admit you are wrong. To those who use wikipedia, I strongly urge you to never rely on it. It's accuracy is in my opinion highly questionable. You should go back to your fantastical 'Amerada'... lol... Intothedark
I would just to add a point to this HEATED debate that some older maps mentionned about an existant Cumberland Township (embedded inside the old Cumberland) that covered the eastern part of Orleans (from Place d'Orleans or Champlain Street and east) with Cumberland east of that until Rockland, although the Pathfinder Map (from Carp, Ontario by the way) in the later pages put a figure of the Ottawa-Carleton region with just Cumberland which makes it confusing. But I find this odd that they had designated Cumberland Township for the populated portion instead of Cumberland period. I know that formally that land wasn't occupied (thus was a township before the Orleans sprawl) until the mid or late 1980's, and maybe they didn't bother changing it or it is just an error by the map company. Anyway I think the Township part was probably run by the former city of Cumberland. -- JForget 03:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been making links in french articles to Orléans, but it always brings to Orléans, french. I go to the disambigous to Orléans, Ontario, but it still redirects to France. Does anyone know if there is a french version to this article? I also wrote a note in the disambugous page paat 22:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the developping part east of Trim Road (Springridge & Valin) part of Fallingbrook or is a different community.-- JForget 17:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What should the pic include? Blv St. Joseph, Orléans main road? Or Innes maybe - since its all new?... paat 02:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
St-Joseph could be used as the first photo since it was the main street when it was still a village. Probably also photos of newer areas can be put in the article as well.-- JForget 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I have added two historical pictures of Orleans taken on June 1, 1982 to the "History" section of this article. I found them while going through and sorting/digitizing a large collection of unsorted photographs taken by various members of my family. The pictures show Place as it existed then as well as the old Normandy Hotel and the intersection of Champlain and Highway 17. As a lifelong resident of the area I suspect I will come across many other interesting historical shots of Orleans as my photographic sorting project continues and I will contribute more as appropriate. Php man ( talk) 13:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have added a new pic that I found in the family archives. This picture shows St. Joseph Blvd. near Place D'Orleans (looking towards the Duford hill) as it appeared circa 1971 (the picture was taken by my father while looking at our future home in Queenswood Heights). At the same time I removed the picture that was basically a duplicate of the Place image (showing a zoom of the Champlain/Highway 17 intersection). I have a few other images (a reverse view looking down the Duford hill in 1971 and two images of Place shortly after construction in 1979). Is there interest in establishing a picture gallery here? I will gladly donate them. Php man ( talk) 18:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for giving a precision. I've thought it was called Millenium, considering OC Transpo has put Millenium as a future transit station probably based on the developping area near Trim Road.-- JForget 22:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
WTF? 67.68.18.74 00:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The article contends that English residents typically pronounce it "orleenz", which is true. But it then goes on to say that this is similar to how english people pronounce New Orleans. In my experience, this is not true. English people typically pronounce New Orleans "new or-lee-ins" (3 syllables), which is different than the local "or-leenz" (2 syllables). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.255.51 ( talk) 10:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I have fixed it, by deleting the phrase saying the pronunciations are the same. Now, it merely gives the local pronunciation. (-Belegdal)
The City of Ottawa refers to the neighbourhood as "Orléans", and the ward also uses the accent ( City of Ottawa - Ward 1 - Orléans). Should the entire article not be consistent with this usage? If "Orléans" is simply the "native name" (not common or official name) then the article should be moved to Orleans, Ontario. - M.Nelson ( talk) 04:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. GoodDay ( talk) 23:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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