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I think the phrase 'Muslim astronomy' should be replaced by 'Islamic astronomy' or 'Arab astronomy', that is, the text should refer to a civilisation or to a culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baba Arouj ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 2016 March 27 (UTC)
In the short section on the Middle East it is mentioned that Orion's 6th largest star bears a name derived from Arabic astronomy. It is for some reason or other not mentioned that the name of the constellation's largest star (Rigel) derives from the same source (as is made clear in the beginning of the article). I find this confusing and think it should be corrected: Either mention all major stars in Orion with Arabic names or mention only the largest (Rigel). (I just checked the individual stars in WP, and it appears that all the 7 major stars in Orion have Arabic names, except for Bellatrix, and even that may be a loose Latin translation of an Arabic word with similar meaning.) Filursiax ( talk) 00:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
In table of example stars, Anlitak should be 1260 ly - the number listed is parsecs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.156.16 ( talk) 22:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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If any editors think it is useful, feel free to use it. By flying on an imaginary trip to Orion, it illustrates that there are many faint stars between us and the familiar asterism. The stars that make up the asterism are very far and very bright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony873004 ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Orion is extremely useful in pathfinding to various amounts of DSOs. Most notably: the Rosette nebula, which can path to the Cone nebula. Should DSO locators originating from Orion be added? Whineinstein ( talk) 02:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
The distances given for Alnilam are wildly different from those on the star's page, for example, and very few seem to match those of today's APOD
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Alnilam is approximately xxxx 1340 xxxxx <<<< 2000 >>> light years away from Earth 109.42.176.77 ( talk) 19:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
This article repeats the claim by Michael Rappenglück that the adorant from the Geißenklösterle cave is a depiction of Orion. The sources cited for this are:
I remember reading that BBC report in 2003 and rolling my eyes. Yes, the plate is a human artifact. Yes, it depicts a human form, but … the constellation Orion, really? If Wikipedia is to state it as fact that an interpretation of a star-form has persisted over 25,000+ years, it should base that on more than Rappenglück's triple say-so. 67.180.143.89 ( talk) 06:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Following on the remarks above, please remove the first sentence under "History and Mythology" according to WP:PROFRINGE and WP:NFRINGE. As ResearchGate shows, Rappenglück is not a credible or recognized researcher. The only school that he is affiliated with, vhs Gilching, is a community adult education center where he is the staff astronomer (or as he says it, "head of the astronomy department"). He almost never has collaborators, except when he is writing on the similarly troubled Chiemgau impact hypothesis, so his assertions about astronomy may have authority but not those about anthropology. His method is standard cargo cult science, in which he reaches his desired conclusions by supplementing the evidence with as many convenient assumptions as necessary. I can't very well illustrate that with the Orion thesis because it received no attention other than uncritical repetition, but in the case of Chiemgau this page discusses the methodological flaws and the critiques that have been published in response. 67.180.143.89 ( talk) 03:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Done. I decided to not wholesale delete the first sentence as requested, but rather take the assertion out of wikivoice and characterize it as a claim rebutted by scholars:
There are claims in popular media that the
Adorant from the Geißenklösterle cave, an ivory carving estimated to be 35,000 to 40,000 years old, is the first known depiction of the constellation. Scholars dismiss such interpretations, saying that perceived details such as a belt and sword derive from preexisting features in the grain structure of the ivory.
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My reasoning is that some readers may have heard the popular claim, but not its rebuttal. Let me know if you find this objectionable and we can work on it. Xan747 ( talk) 23:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I can't find this Orion object on WP: https://ts2.space/en/hh212-the-enigmatic-star-unleashing-incredible-jets-of-gas/
Does it need a new page, or under Protostar maybe? John a s ( talk) 15:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
The lead says that Orion is visible in winter. It might be betto clarify this. I'm not sure if winter has a specific meaning in astronomy, but a non expert audience will likely understand it as meaning the regular season. However, this is also ambiguous since not all areas have winter, or don't have it at the same time.
So, can it either be made clear if there is specific technical meaning peculiar to astronomy or otherwise do as later in the article and specify a range of months? 14.202.143.139 ( talk) 22:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
It appears to me that the Persian image is a horizontal reflection of all of the other images. Am I wrong?
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Change ‘named for’ to ‘named after’ (‘named for’ is not correct English) 42.190.216.201 ( talk) 05:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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I think the phrase 'Muslim astronomy' should be replaced by 'Islamic astronomy' or 'Arab astronomy', that is, the text should refer to a civilisation or to a culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baba Arouj ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 2016 March 27 (UTC)
In the short section on the Middle East it is mentioned that Orion's 6th largest star bears a name derived from Arabic astronomy. It is for some reason or other not mentioned that the name of the constellation's largest star (Rigel) derives from the same source (as is made clear in the beginning of the article). I find this confusing and think it should be corrected: Either mention all major stars in Orion with Arabic names or mention only the largest (Rigel). (I just checked the individual stars in WP, and it appears that all the 7 major stars in Orion have Arabic names, except for Bellatrix, and even that may be a loose Latin translation of an Arabic word with similar meaning.) Filursiax ( talk) 00:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
In table of example stars, Anlitak should be 1260 ly - the number listed is parsecs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.156.16 ( talk) 22:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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If any editors think it is useful, feel free to use it. By flying on an imaginary trip to Orion, it illustrates that there are many faint stars between us and the familiar asterism. The stars that make up the asterism are very far and very bright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony873004 ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Orion is extremely useful in pathfinding to various amounts of DSOs. Most notably: the Rosette nebula, which can path to the Cone nebula. Should DSO locators originating from Orion be added? Whineinstein ( talk) 02:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
The distances given for Alnilam are wildly different from those on the star's page, for example, and very few seem to match those of today's APOD
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Alnilam is approximately xxxx 1340 xxxxx <<<< 2000 >>> light years away from Earth 109.42.176.77 ( talk) 19:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
This article repeats the claim by Michael Rappenglück that the adorant from the Geißenklösterle cave is a depiction of Orion. The sources cited for this are:
I remember reading that BBC report in 2003 and rolling my eyes. Yes, the plate is a human artifact. Yes, it depicts a human form, but … the constellation Orion, really? If Wikipedia is to state it as fact that an interpretation of a star-form has persisted over 25,000+ years, it should base that on more than Rappenglück's triple say-so. 67.180.143.89 ( talk) 06:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Following on the remarks above, please remove the first sentence under "History and Mythology" according to WP:PROFRINGE and WP:NFRINGE. As ResearchGate shows, Rappenglück is not a credible or recognized researcher. The only school that he is affiliated with, vhs Gilching, is a community adult education center where he is the staff astronomer (or as he says it, "head of the astronomy department"). He almost never has collaborators, except when he is writing on the similarly troubled Chiemgau impact hypothesis, so his assertions about astronomy may have authority but not those about anthropology. His method is standard cargo cult science, in which he reaches his desired conclusions by supplementing the evidence with as many convenient assumptions as necessary. I can't very well illustrate that with the Orion thesis because it received no attention other than uncritical repetition, but in the case of Chiemgau this page discusses the methodological flaws and the critiques that have been published in response. 67.180.143.89 ( talk) 03:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit.
Xan747 (
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23:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Done. I decided to not wholesale delete the first sentence as requested, but rather take the assertion out of wikivoice and characterize it as a claim rebutted by scholars:
There are claims in popular media that the
Adorant from the Geißenklösterle cave, an ivory carving estimated to be 35,000 to 40,000 years old, is the first known depiction of the constellation. Scholars dismiss such interpretations, saying that perceived details such as a belt and sword derive from preexisting features in the grain structure of the ivory.
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
My reasoning is that some readers may have heard the popular claim, but not its rebuttal. Let me know if you find this objectionable and we can work on it. Xan747 ( talk) 23:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I can't find this Orion object on WP: https://ts2.space/en/hh212-the-enigmatic-star-unleashing-incredible-jets-of-gas/
Does it need a new page, or under Protostar maybe? John a s ( talk) 15:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
The lead says that Orion is visible in winter. It might be betto clarify this. I'm not sure if winter has a specific meaning in astronomy, but a non expert audience will likely understand it as meaning the regular season. However, this is also ambiguous since not all areas have winter, or don't have it at the same time.
So, can it either be made clear if there is specific technical meaning peculiar to astronomy or otherwise do as later in the article and specify a range of months? 14.202.143.139 ( talk) 22:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
It appears to me that the Persian image is a horizontal reflection of all of the other images. Am I wrong?
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Change ‘named for’ to ‘named after’ (‘named for’ is not correct English) 42.190.216.201 ( talk) 05:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)