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There were several origins before the modern ones, 1938, 1948, 1958. Though no expert I know that and that's the info I'm looking for in such an article. There should be also some comment on why the origins keep changing.
Mookie89, I think you've done a great job so far on improving this article. I think it is well on its way to feature article status. I do have some suggestions and comments:
That's all for now. Spiderboy12 ( talk) 07:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Mookie89 ( talk) 06:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
There has been an attempt by someone to add original research to this and other Superman articles. In particular, Superman's origin is being tampered with, as whoever is doing this is trying to suggest (without any citations and ignoring those contrary to what they like) that it's been rolled back to MOS with only a few changes, when anyone who reads the comic knows this to be false. As Superman's current origin hasn't been written yet, we should be on the watch for any original research popping up. NotSuper ( talk) 22:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What we do know is that this new origin contains aspects of each: Post-Crisis, Birthright, Pre-Crisis, the Donner/Singer Movies, and Smallville. These are:
I took out and added some stuff based on what can be proven. It's a good idea to list all of this, since we likely won't have the complete history for a while. I'm also adding a Smallville section. We can add new information as it becomes available. NotSuper ( talk) 03:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah NotSuper, I agree this is a good idea. Also, while he does retain some of the mild-mannerisms of the earlier Pre-Crisis versions, Clark is still assertive and bold in what he does. For instance, in the opening of Superman: Last Son, when Perry White is angrily lecturing Jimmy on not getting a clear picture, Clark acutally stands up to him and defends Jimmy by explaining he risked his life to even take shots. So while he seems to be meek, shy, weak, etc, he is not "the bumbling, clumsy, goofy Clark". Also, he helps expose Lex's doings and plans through the series of articles and stories he wrote during 52. That would seem pretty bold, although he is not as outspoken or verbal as Lois. Cluebert 03:41, 1 Febuary 2008 (UTC)
In hindsight, I think the whole "mild-mannered" thing is something we need to see more of in the comics. Plus, different writers have different takes on Clark Kent. For instance, in the Johns/Donner run he's more mild-mannered than in Busiek's run. We're likely going to have to wait a while to get the full history, and when we do we'll likely have to rewrite a lot of stuff. Incidentally, I removed the "Lois and Clark first meet in Metropolis" because that's what happens in every medium (pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, movies, BR, ect) EXCEPT Smallville, thus it probably shouldn't be in the movie section. NotSuper ( talk) 10:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Er...not quite. A teenage Clark Kent (both as Clark and as Superboy) first meets Lois Lane in Adventure Comics #128 (May 1948), in a story entitled "How Clark Kent Met Lois Lane". He meets her a couple times after that, too, including another "first meeting". Most of Clark's "first meetings" shown in Smallville originated in the pre-Crisis Superboy stories, including his meetings with Jimmy Olsen and Perry White (as well as future allies Oliver Queen and "Aquaboy"). In addition, Clark (both in and out of costume)first meets Bruce Wayne as a teenager pre-Crisis. So I'm reinstating that bullet, and elaborating a bit. Spiderboy12 ( talk) 17:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah. I see. I do seem to recall those stories now that you mention them. It seemed like everyone knew each other as kids back then. NotSuper ( talk) 23:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to see an article I started become so complete and definitive. Good job to everyone involved iwth making this an excellent encyclopedic source on Superman's origin! -- CmdrClow ( talk) 07:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
..,but when I grow up, I put away childish things. So, given such age-old wisdom - why is Wikipedia putting all this effort into such an infantile subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.179 ( talk) 08:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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There were several origins before the modern ones, 1938, 1948, 1958. Though no expert I know that and that's the info I'm looking for in such an article. There should be also some comment on why the origins keep changing.
Mookie89, I think you've done a great job so far on improving this article. I think it is well on its way to feature article status. I do have some suggestions and comments:
That's all for now. Spiderboy12 ( talk) 07:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Mookie89 ( talk) 06:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
There has been an attempt by someone to add original research to this and other Superman articles. In particular, Superman's origin is being tampered with, as whoever is doing this is trying to suggest (without any citations and ignoring those contrary to what they like) that it's been rolled back to MOS with only a few changes, when anyone who reads the comic knows this to be false. As Superman's current origin hasn't been written yet, we should be on the watch for any original research popping up. NotSuper ( talk) 22:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What we do know is that this new origin contains aspects of each: Post-Crisis, Birthright, Pre-Crisis, the Donner/Singer Movies, and Smallville. These are:
I took out and added some stuff based on what can be proven. It's a good idea to list all of this, since we likely won't have the complete history for a while. I'm also adding a Smallville section. We can add new information as it becomes available. NotSuper ( talk) 03:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah NotSuper, I agree this is a good idea. Also, while he does retain some of the mild-mannerisms of the earlier Pre-Crisis versions, Clark is still assertive and bold in what he does. For instance, in the opening of Superman: Last Son, when Perry White is angrily lecturing Jimmy on not getting a clear picture, Clark acutally stands up to him and defends Jimmy by explaining he risked his life to even take shots. So while he seems to be meek, shy, weak, etc, he is not "the bumbling, clumsy, goofy Clark". Also, he helps expose Lex's doings and plans through the series of articles and stories he wrote during 52. That would seem pretty bold, although he is not as outspoken or verbal as Lois. Cluebert 03:41, 1 Febuary 2008 (UTC)
In hindsight, I think the whole "mild-mannered" thing is something we need to see more of in the comics. Plus, different writers have different takes on Clark Kent. For instance, in the Johns/Donner run he's more mild-mannered than in Busiek's run. We're likely going to have to wait a while to get the full history, and when we do we'll likely have to rewrite a lot of stuff. Incidentally, I removed the "Lois and Clark first meet in Metropolis" because that's what happens in every medium (pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, movies, BR, ect) EXCEPT Smallville, thus it probably shouldn't be in the movie section. NotSuper ( talk) 10:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Er...not quite. A teenage Clark Kent (both as Clark and as Superboy) first meets Lois Lane in Adventure Comics #128 (May 1948), in a story entitled "How Clark Kent Met Lois Lane". He meets her a couple times after that, too, including another "first meeting". Most of Clark's "first meetings" shown in Smallville originated in the pre-Crisis Superboy stories, including his meetings with Jimmy Olsen and Perry White (as well as future allies Oliver Queen and "Aquaboy"). In addition, Clark (both in and out of costume)first meets Bruce Wayne as a teenager pre-Crisis. So I'm reinstating that bullet, and elaborating a bit. Spiderboy12 ( talk) 17:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah. I see. I do seem to recall those stories now that you mention them. It seemed like everyone knew each other as kids back then. NotSuper ( talk) 23:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to see an article I started become so complete and definitive. Good job to everyone involved iwth making this an excellent encyclopedic source on Superman's origin! -- CmdrClow ( talk) 07:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
..,but when I grow up, I put away childish things. So, given such age-old wisdom - why is Wikipedia putting all this effort into such an infantile subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.179 ( talk) 08:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)