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The contents of the Organofluorine compound page were merged into Organofluorine chemistry. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Organofluorine chemistry's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Lemal2004":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Smokefoot, are you serious about this article explaining fluorine chemistry like the articles organic chemistry, physical chemistry, and analytical chemistry, or are you seeking to create a new fluorocarbon page? I just want to check on that while you work on it. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 23:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It makes no sense to have separate articles about organofluorine compounds about organofluorine chemistry. One cannot say much about organofluorine chemistry without talking about organofluorine compounds; the two topics are strongly intertwined. The only reason the organofluorine article exists is because it is a POV fork, something which goes against policy. As precedent, I know only of a couple of cases in Wikipedia where the "chemistry" and the "compounds" have separate articles: organic chemistry/ organic compound and inorganic chemistry/ inorganic compound. Even those two are a bit debatable, but arguably they are cases of summary style, and those two fields are orders of magnitude larger than organofluorine chemistry (no disrespect to organofluorine chemists intended). In contrast, we have at least a dozen articles about organo______ chemistry where, reasonably enough, there is no arbitrary split between the "chemistry" and the "compounds". -- Itub ( talk) 10:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Dirk, considering my recent edit to Talk:Fluorocarbon and my edits to the definition of Fluorocarbon, are you softening or willing to soften your stance that the organofluorine page is unnecessary? Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 01:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not oppose merging in principle. Right now, I oppose it in practice, because I am completely reworking the organofluorine page. We will see what it looks like after I am done. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 00:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this proposal as there is now a consensus on the page for the IUPAC definition. The "misplaced" content currently named as fluorocarbon derivatives should be moved to a page named polyfluorochemicals or polyfluorinated compounds, as has been proposed on Talk:Fluorocarbon (IMHO). There should be a place for poly-fluorinated chemicals that behave like fluorocarbons, due to the carbon-fluorine bond, but are not true fluorocarbons (outside of the organofluorine chemistry page). Right now, the organofluorine page says there are Fluorocarbons, Pharm&Ag, and the mono-fluorinated natural chemicals. Obviously, we are missing a class of poly-fluorinated compounds. These compounds represent a class of chemicals that are of interest to many, including myself. (See references to them as perfluorocarbon derivatives in the perfluorocarbon page). Therefore, I think a better place exists than the organofluorine chemistry article. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 02:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Because this article is a spin on the old fluorocarbon article, produced quickly, there are quite a few sections written very poorly. Like this section: Hydrofluorocarbons Hydrofluorocarbons, compounds that contain only one or a few fluorine atoms, are the more common type of organofluorine compounds. Flurocarbons with few C-F bonds behave similarly to the parent hydrocarbons, but their reactivity can be altered significantly. For example, both uracil and 5-fluorouracil are colourless, high-melting crystalline solids, but the latter is a potent anti-cancer drug. The use of the C-F bond in pharmaceuticals is predicated on this altered reactivity.[1] Several drugs and agrichemicals contain only one fluorine center or one trifluoromethyl group. As you can see, there is a lot written that has nothing to do with hydrofluorocarbons. I wanted to make this obvious so my edits don't seem distasteful during a time of discussion/transition. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 19:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
My impression is that selective fluorination (in the sense of medicinal chemistry) is the biggest challenge/most topical/most important aspect in organofluorine chemistry. Can some chem folks put a rough % relevance to that aspect so we can have rough gauge as to how much this article should discuss selective fluorination? Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 02:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice review I found by accident: Berger, Ricarda; Resnati, Giuseppe; Metrangolo, Pierangelo; Weber, Edwin; Hulliger, Jürg (2011). "Organic fluorine compounds: a great opportunity for enhanced materials properties". Chem. Soc. Rev. 40: 3496–3508. doi: 10.1039/C0CS00221F..
Might have some good content for Organofluorine chemistry#Materials science. No time to add it myself now. Maybe in a few months. Or someone else interested. -- Ben ( talk) 16:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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The contents of the Organofluorine compound page were merged into Organofluorine chemistry. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Organofluorine chemistry's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Lemal2004":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Smokefoot, are you serious about this article explaining fluorine chemistry like the articles organic chemistry, physical chemistry, and analytical chemistry, or are you seeking to create a new fluorocarbon page? I just want to check on that while you work on it. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 23:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It makes no sense to have separate articles about organofluorine compounds about organofluorine chemistry. One cannot say much about organofluorine chemistry without talking about organofluorine compounds; the two topics are strongly intertwined. The only reason the organofluorine article exists is because it is a POV fork, something which goes against policy. As precedent, I know only of a couple of cases in Wikipedia where the "chemistry" and the "compounds" have separate articles: organic chemistry/ organic compound and inorganic chemistry/ inorganic compound. Even those two are a bit debatable, but arguably they are cases of summary style, and those two fields are orders of magnitude larger than organofluorine chemistry (no disrespect to organofluorine chemists intended). In contrast, we have at least a dozen articles about organo______ chemistry where, reasonably enough, there is no arbitrary split between the "chemistry" and the "compounds". -- Itub ( talk) 10:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Dirk, considering my recent edit to Talk:Fluorocarbon and my edits to the definition of Fluorocarbon, are you softening or willing to soften your stance that the organofluorine page is unnecessary? Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 01:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not oppose merging in principle. Right now, I oppose it in practice, because I am completely reworking the organofluorine page. We will see what it looks like after I am done. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 00:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this proposal as there is now a consensus on the page for the IUPAC definition. The "misplaced" content currently named as fluorocarbon derivatives should be moved to a page named polyfluorochemicals or polyfluorinated compounds, as has been proposed on Talk:Fluorocarbon (IMHO). There should be a place for poly-fluorinated chemicals that behave like fluorocarbons, due to the carbon-fluorine bond, but are not true fluorocarbons (outside of the organofluorine chemistry page). Right now, the organofluorine page says there are Fluorocarbons, Pharm&Ag, and the mono-fluorinated natural chemicals. Obviously, we are missing a class of poly-fluorinated compounds. These compounds represent a class of chemicals that are of interest to many, including myself. (See references to them as perfluorocarbon derivatives in the perfluorocarbon page). Therefore, I think a better place exists than the organofluorine chemistry article. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 02:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Because this article is a spin on the old fluorocarbon article, produced quickly, there are quite a few sections written very poorly. Like this section: Hydrofluorocarbons Hydrofluorocarbons, compounds that contain only one or a few fluorine atoms, are the more common type of organofluorine compounds. Flurocarbons with few C-F bonds behave similarly to the parent hydrocarbons, but their reactivity can be altered significantly. For example, both uracil and 5-fluorouracil are colourless, high-melting crystalline solids, but the latter is a potent anti-cancer drug. The use of the C-F bond in pharmaceuticals is predicated on this altered reactivity.[1] Several drugs and agrichemicals contain only one fluorine center or one trifluoromethyl group. As you can see, there is a lot written that has nothing to do with hydrofluorocarbons. I wanted to make this obvious so my edits don't seem distasteful during a time of discussion/transition. Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 19:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
My impression is that selective fluorination (in the sense of medicinal chemistry) is the biggest challenge/most topical/most important aspect in organofluorine chemistry. Can some chem folks put a rough % relevance to that aspect so we can have rough gauge as to how much this article should discuss selective fluorination? Thanks. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 02:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice review I found by accident: Berger, Ricarda; Resnati, Giuseppe; Metrangolo, Pierangelo; Weber, Edwin; Hulliger, Jürg (2011). "Organic fluorine compounds: a great opportunity for enhanced materials properties". Chem. Soc. Rev. 40: 3496–3508. doi: 10.1039/C0CS00221F..
Might have some good content for Organofluorine chemistry#Materials science. No time to add it myself now. Maybe in a few months. Or someone else interested. -- Ben ( talk) 16:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)