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Removed aerial blades' link to lightsabers. A slight similarity in appearance is no reason for a link to a completely different weapon in an entirely different franchise.
Reverted again. Please stop linking to lightsabers. 5:18, April 17
Just beat the game. According to Jiminey's Journal, Official Strategy Guide, and Magazines this is what me and my friend got.
Xemnas - Secret Ansem report refers to him as the Seeker of Darkness. He wields the power of darkness in battle while wielding blades made from energy.
Xigbar - Defys gravity in battle while shooting light bullets from his rayguns.
Xaldin - Uses six lances in battle and can also control wind.
Saix - Wields a broadsword that resembles the moon and has power over Kingdom Hearts. (Kingdom Hearts isn't his element, moon is. He just uses the power to transform into his berserk state.)
Axel - Controls fire with his unique shaped weapons in hand.
Demyx - Plays a sitar in battle that allows the water to dance.
Luxord - Gambler who can manipulate time. He also uses a deck of playing cards in battle by manipulating them to attack/defend.
Roxas - Dual-wields Keyblades and controls light.
OK, based on the above, I believe some changing is in order.
Remember, this is all from the English version, not Japanese. Go make an article dedicated to the Organization in Japan if you have a term problem.χ
Xigbar 100% uses gravity in the English version. Read the profile of his Nobodies, which use the same exact fighting style. The journal says they use gravity in battle by defying it.
I am slightly interested in Marluxia's element. Does the Ultimania specify him as using nature or flower? 12:50, 9 April 2006
So far, these are the ones voicing the members for KH2. They'll be staying here until they are confirmed via ending credits. Though
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fractyl ( talk • contribs) .
Xemnas is credited at different places as Paul St. Peter and Ron Perlman. Both are possible, but the character's voice sounds closer to Perlman than anything I've heard St. Peter use. Can we get confirmation on who it is? The S 02:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I definitely think so. He's much more important of a character than the vast majority of the Organization members and it seems a bit inappropriate that he doesn't have his own page. It's fine to have him included in this page, but a separate page would allow us to go into greater depth than simply listing him on Organization XIII's page. -- 164.107.199.215 18:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
To me, it doesn't seem appropriate that Namine has her own page and Roxas doesn't have his, when they parallel each other in so many ways and are of equal signficance of the plot of KH2 (Roxas is arguably even more important). Plus, very little of Roxas's time in the Organization is even featured in the game, so placing him only in on the Organization page doesn't seem right. For Heaven's sake, you play as him for the first three hours of the game! I think that merits his own page. -- 164.107.199.215 02:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for disagreeing with you, but the character of Roxas is too important to the game not to have his own page. The length of the information in this page is adequate, but placing him solely on the Organization page is inappropriate. And just because he is a member of a group is no reason for him not to have his own page. If someone wants information on the character of Roxas (they did play as him for over three hours, after all), they shouldn't have to scroll through this enormous page to find it. Plus, the fact that Roxas is a member of the Organization IS a potential spoiler. In fact, this page spoiled that for me long before the English version of KHII was available. Directing people to the Organization page when they are solely seeking information on Roxas is a bit careless.-- 164.107.199.215 18:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
That is a good question, and I learned with KHII that Wikipedia is the absolute best way to ruin a game for people. A striking number of video game Wikipedians show very little regard to those who haven't played the games. The most obvious example is Xehanort. The way that character was handled on Wikipedia was horrendous. Anyone looking up info on Ansem from the original KH immediately had an important part of KHII spoiled for them, because the select few who imported the Japanese version updated the page months before any English speaking KH fan could possibly know about the plot twist. And listing Roxas solely on the Organization XIII pages does basically the same. Just because a person looks up information about a character does not mean they are asking for spoilers. -- 164.107.199.215 22:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia, an actual encyclopedia? Don't make me laugh. Don't get me wrong, I love Wikipedia, but acting as if it's a real encyclopedia is hilarious. I consider it a vast information resource, not an actual encyclopedia. With that said, I don't have any problems with articles containing spoilers. What I do have a problem with is articles that are structured in a manner that makes spoilers unavoidable. It also brings into question the manner in which games imported from non-English-speaking countries are treated on Wikipedia. Is it really fair and accurate to update their information based on the foreign version of the game? Enormous things can happen to a game in the localization process, so not only do I think that it is premature to update games on the English page based on foreign versions, but it is also unfair. I'm sure, deep in his heart, Jimmy Wales wants Wikipedia to be an actual encyclopedia, but it never will be. Because of the nature of the site, it cannot be treated like an official encyclopedia. -- 164.107.199.215 18:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
If Roxas deserves his own page, then obviously Xemnas does too. Talk about "importance to the game"... without him, the game would have no storyline, period. And no, I don't think either of them really need their own page. Just pointing out something. 205.188.116.68 01:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but, while Xemnas just plays his part as the leader of the Organization, Roxas initially has a role OUTSIDE of the Organization, and technically he had leaved the Organization XIII when you start to play the game. I believe we should create a separate page for Roxas.
I started one about roxas just search roxas and it will appear --
sar
04:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Any particular reason why the summons are on this page? They do NOT fit in with the Org XIII.
Wow. who put that there? -- Malomeat 06:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I put it there. :P And I only edited the voice actors, because they were RIGHT.
Assuming their naming conventions follows that of other members of Organization XIII, these may be the original names of members 7-12.
Inspired by WtW suzaku. The common theme of the Nobodies is they are named after a job in the Final Fantasy series.
While the page shouldn't be used for speculation, the connection between the Nobody (or more specifically, what are listed as "high-ranking" Nobody in Jiminy's Journal) and character classes from the Final Fantasy series is an interesting connection that should be shown.
A quick google search of マールーシャ スペクタ- (the kana for Marluxia and Specter) turns up only ONE result. And that's a message board topic in which someone asks what its called, and a person basically replies, "Maybe it's supekutaa, that's a scary ghost in English." It is also not named in the Chain of Memories Ultimania, only listing the final battle as "Marluxia Final".
The name "Spectre" actually started out, IIRC, when someone asked if it had a name, and someone replied "it's Spectre". When asked where he got it, there was never a reply. It just spread like a disease from there. WtW-Suzaku 14:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
"Roxas could have been fighting Sora for dominance over their body, or he could have been testing Sora to make sure he was strong enough to fight Xemnas and other Organization members, or simply because he had wanted to meet Sora himself."
Naminé admits to being Kairi's unknown. Naminé neither has an X in it, nor is it an anagram of Kairi. This proves the statements of naming of the nobodies untrue. I think this should be taken out and dropped from the discussion.
Just something I think I should bring up. The article lists which Nobody enemy is controlled by which Organization member (Dancers controlled by Demyx, Samurai controlled by Roxas, etc.). My question is in regards to the foundation of the claim. On one hand, half of them make sense: Berserkers, Dragoons, Snipers, and Gamblers were all first seen being summoned by a particular Organization member. They even have the same reaction commands. On the other hand, I haven't seen material suggesting connections between the remaining Nobodys and the other Org. members, unless it was broken down so that the remaining Nobodys teamed up with whichever Org. member made the most sense.
I suppose all I'm asking is, should we reference an official source indicating this kind of hierarchy? Or should we list it as speculation?
Where does it everk say that all nobodies are born in Twilight Town? I know that's where it says Roxas was born, but I don't know if that can be used to encompass all nobodies in the game. What about the huge mass of nobodies that reside in the World That Never Was? If they were all born in Twilight Town, why would their base be set up in The World That Never Was? I think someone should check the validity of that claim and be sure it's correct.
Ansem Report 6 says Nobodies are born somewhere other than the world of light, so why would Nobodies all be born in Twilight Town...a world that's a world of light? I think the reason Roxas' was born in Twilight Town is, as said in Ansem Report 12, due to Sora not staying a heartless long and getting his body back. Just as Kairi didn't lose her body and her nobody was reborn somewhere else in the world of light, so was Sora's. If any place would be the world where Nobodies are born into..it would be The World That Never Was. The world of nothing...just like nobodies are nothing. The nobodies call themselves "Residents of Darkness" after all.
They are born in twilight town,and immediately migrate to the world that never was,most likey though betwixt and between.-GRAHAMR
Excuse me, I'm confused about Axel's description for Kingdom Hearts II. I agree with most of it, but there is one part that does not seem right.
When that plan fails, Axel discovers that Xemnas has simply been using Roxas and the other members of the Organization to further his own selfish desires and he turns against the Organization. He kidnaps Kairi to see if he could use her to influence Sora to fight with him against Xemnas.
When did Axel say he kidnapped Kairi to persuade Sora to fight against Xemnas? When did Xemnas say or imply he was just using the Organization members to "further his own selfish desires"? I played the game twice and I did not any kind of impression like that, so I would like to know how this statement is true.
I tried editting the page by using this paragraph, but it was reverted:
When that plan fails, he betrays the Organization to further his own plans. Outside of Organization orders, he kidnaps Kairi, but Saix stole her away for the Organization to fuel Sora's anger and brands Axel as a traitor. Axel reappears during the fifth visit of Hollow Bastion in front of Sora, and informs Sora that Organization XIII is manipulating him, and promptly escapes when Saix appears. Later in the second visit of Twilight Town, Saix warns Sora that Axel will stop at nothing to turn him into a Heartless, but it is unclear if Axel truely was trying to do that. Rasenth 05:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The description for Organization member XI, Marluxia, appears to be missing at the moment. - 22:08 (CDT) 19 April 2006
I don't know if this really deserves to be stated anywhere, but does anyone else think it's interesting that ALL of the Organization members wear the same boots, which Xehanort also wears in the flashbacks to when he was a disciple, and all through KH1-CoM as "Ansem"? Guess they all shop at the same store. WtW-Suzaku 04:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
We should probably ban 69.110.5.129 or something. He seems to need to yell his pork fetish off of the mountaintops. urutapu 17:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The reson people are vandalizing this page because no one is really loojing out for it that much someone should take responsibility and look at it every day to make sure nothing happens
Is there any information out there about the cloaks? Most notibly, why Riku and Mickey wear them until they're fully 'revealled' despite having no organization connections whatsoever? 216.221.88.108 00:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I think its just a normal black cloak.don't the organzation have caoks that magicly shieled their faces? mickey has no such thing.-GRAHAMR
I think maybe because they were in the darkness they didn'y feel like themselves and felt like nobodies and temparily joined the organazation and quit and kept the cool cloaks
I restored the last 2 members of the organization to the page.
Superway25 20:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
"Order" is pretty pointless to keep...it isn't used in any Japanese media that uses English names past "[deep dive]". urutapu 23:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
"letting Sora believe him to be gone for good (whether or not Sora believes this is unclear)"
In Chain of Memories, if you read "Castle Oblivion"'s entry in Jiminy's Journal's after entering the last world of the game, he says Axel "is out of the way". Well, if they thought he was still alive, they wouldn't be so sure that Axel was going to let them proceed like that, don't you think? I'm going to take that last part from the article, the one considering if Sora believes or not in his death. If you feel like putting it again, put it, but please give some reason.
I was rereading the script of KH:CoM, when suddently I saw something I didn't remember.
"I don't know... But the scent was very similar to the Superior's. Exactly similar, if I may say."
This is Zexion's, refering to Riku. He's comparing Riku to their Superior, Xemnas.
Well, in the article, it says the Superior's element is "nothingness". Can someone confirm where it is refered to as such? In the game, in the Ultimania book, well, in any official resource? Because, I don't think Riku controls "nothingness", you know.
Compared to Riku, Xemnas' element could be either "twilight" (between light and dark, if you don't remember from the games) and "darkness". But, as Zexion and Vexen discuss in the game:
" Zexion: Riku once shouldered the darkness. Perhaps that made him half-dark.
Vexen: And that's why you mistook him for the Superior. "
We must consider that Xemnas is then half-dark - and, unless you want to hit me with some "he's half-dark and half-nothing" weird thing, I gotta say he's between light and dark - twilight.
"Nothingness"... it doesn't fit neither of Zexion's description.
Oh, and I found something else:
"He belongs to neither the light nor the dark, but walks the twilight between."
About Xemnas, the Superior. While the article considers that all Nobodies are in the twilight, to Riku be confounded especially with the Superior... he had Xehanort's darkness, and that obviously make them very close. But that "that made him half-dark/that's why you mistook him for the Superior" thingy doesn't leave my head.
What do you think? Should we consider Xemnas twilight or even darkness? Or keep the nothingess?
Technically, Axel's weapons are more similar to wind-and-fire wheels, not chakrams (i.e. they aren't thrown, but used as melee weapons). I would go as far as to say they are wind-and-fire wheels. Is there any official material stating that his weapons are chakrams? Jiminy's Journal lists him as carrying "a uniquely-shaped weapon," but that's about it. Divineline 18:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
You could call them a Cakuramu that can also be used a wind and fire wheel
If we arrange the members of the Organization XIII by rank and match them up with a corresponding playing card, there are a few things that seem to stand out.
Notice right away that Xemnas is the Ace, and Roxas is the King. Seems to make sense so far. Larxene, being the only female, lands the queen's spot. Also, Luxord, being the gambler of the group, is given the 10 spot. There might be more significant connections (possibly with tarot?) that should be looked into. Xagest 08:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Really....this should have been done a longgggggg time ago. the only reason i could think of otherwise is that it would make the article too long...but then again,who wouldn't like the sheer exilaration of having all the org13 people and the nobody types on the same page-GRAHAMR
Meh?! What the hell do you mean by"Individual nobodies are not notable" and "the format would be ugly"?
Now im really starting to think that nobodies need a seprate page form 0rg13-GRAHAMR
Hey everyone I made a page just for Roxas you should check it out this is for all the people who think roxas should have his own page just search roxas and it will pop up --
sar
04:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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Removed aerial blades' link to lightsabers. A slight similarity in appearance is no reason for a link to a completely different weapon in an entirely different franchise.
Reverted again. Please stop linking to lightsabers. 5:18, April 17
Just beat the game. According to Jiminey's Journal, Official Strategy Guide, and Magazines this is what me and my friend got.
Xemnas - Secret Ansem report refers to him as the Seeker of Darkness. He wields the power of darkness in battle while wielding blades made from energy.
Xigbar - Defys gravity in battle while shooting light bullets from his rayguns.
Xaldin - Uses six lances in battle and can also control wind.
Saix - Wields a broadsword that resembles the moon and has power over Kingdom Hearts. (Kingdom Hearts isn't his element, moon is. He just uses the power to transform into his berserk state.)
Axel - Controls fire with his unique shaped weapons in hand.
Demyx - Plays a sitar in battle that allows the water to dance.
Luxord - Gambler who can manipulate time. He also uses a deck of playing cards in battle by manipulating them to attack/defend.
Roxas - Dual-wields Keyblades and controls light.
OK, based on the above, I believe some changing is in order.
Remember, this is all from the English version, not Japanese. Go make an article dedicated to the Organization in Japan if you have a term problem.χ
Xigbar 100% uses gravity in the English version. Read the profile of his Nobodies, which use the same exact fighting style. The journal says they use gravity in battle by defying it.
I am slightly interested in Marluxia's element. Does the Ultimania specify him as using nature or flower? 12:50, 9 April 2006
So far, these are the ones voicing the members for KH2. They'll be staying here until they are confirmed via ending credits. Though
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fractyl ( talk • contribs) .
Xemnas is credited at different places as Paul St. Peter and Ron Perlman. Both are possible, but the character's voice sounds closer to Perlman than anything I've heard St. Peter use. Can we get confirmation on who it is? The S 02:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I definitely think so. He's much more important of a character than the vast majority of the Organization members and it seems a bit inappropriate that he doesn't have his own page. It's fine to have him included in this page, but a separate page would allow us to go into greater depth than simply listing him on Organization XIII's page. -- 164.107.199.215 18:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
To me, it doesn't seem appropriate that Namine has her own page and Roxas doesn't have his, when they parallel each other in so many ways and are of equal signficance of the plot of KH2 (Roxas is arguably even more important). Plus, very little of Roxas's time in the Organization is even featured in the game, so placing him only in on the Organization page doesn't seem right. For Heaven's sake, you play as him for the first three hours of the game! I think that merits his own page. -- 164.107.199.215 02:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for disagreeing with you, but the character of Roxas is too important to the game not to have his own page. The length of the information in this page is adequate, but placing him solely on the Organization page is inappropriate. And just because he is a member of a group is no reason for him not to have his own page. If someone wants information on the character of Roxas (they did play as him for over three hours, after all), they shouldn't have to scroll through this enormous page to find it. Plus, the fact that Roxas is a member of the Organization IS a potential spoiler. In fact, this page spoiled that for me long before the English version of KHII was available. Directing people to the Organization page when they are solely seeking information on Roxas is a bit careless.-- 164.107.199.215 18:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
That is a good question, and I learned with KHII that Wikipedia is the absolute best way to ruin a game for people. A striking number of video game Wikipedians show very little regard to those who haven't played the games. The most obvious example is Xehanort. The way that character was handled on Wikipedia was horrendous. Anyone looking up info on Ansem from the original KH immediately had an important part of KHII spoiled for them, because the select few who imported the Japanese version updated the page months before any English speaking KH fan could possibly know about the plot twist. And listing Roxas solely on the Organization XIII pages does basically the same. Just because a person looks up information about a character does not mean they are asking for spoilers. -- 164.107.199.215 22:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia, an actual encyclopedia? Don't make me laugh. Don't get me wrong, I love Wikipedia, but acting as if it's a real encyclopedia is hilarious. I consider it a vast information resource, not an actual encyclopedia. With that said, I don't have any problems with articles containing spoilers. What I do have a problem with is articles that are structured in a manner that makes spoilers unavoidable. It also brings into question the manner in which games imported from non-English-speaking countries are treated on Wikipedia. Is it really fair and accurate to update their information based on the foreign version of the game? Enormous things can happen to a game in the localization process, so not only do I think that it is premature to update games on the English page based on foreign versions, but it is also unfair. I'm sure, deep in his heart, Jimmy Wales wants Wikipedia to be an actual encyclopedia, but it never will be. Because of the nature of the site, it cannot be treated like an official encyclopedia. -- 164.107.199.215 18:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
If Roxas deserves his own page, then obviously Xemnas does too. Talk about "importance to the game"... without him, the game would have no storyline, period. And no, I don't think either of them really need their own page. Just pointing out something. 205.188.116.68 01:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but, while Xemnas just plays his part as the leader of the Organization, Roxas initially has a role OUTSIDE of the Organization, and technically he had leaved the Organization XIII when you start to play the game. I believe we should create a separate page for Roxas.
I started one about roxas just search roxas and it will appear --
sar
04:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Any particular reason why the summons are on this page? They do NOT fit in with the Org XIII.
Wow. who put that there? -- Malomeat 06:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I put it there. :P And I only edited the voice actors, because they were RIGHT.
Assuming their naming conventions follows that of other members of Organization XIII, these may be the original names of members 7-12.
Inspired by WtW suzaku. The common theme of the Nobodies is they are named after a job in the Final Fantasy series.
While the page shouldn't be used for speculation, the connection between the Nobody (or more specifically, what are listed as "high-ranking" Nobody in Jiminy's Journal) and character classes from the Final Fantasy series is an interesting connection that should be shown.
A quick google search of マールーシャ スペクタ- (the kana for Marluxia and Specter) turns up only ONE result. And that's a message board topic in which someone asks what its called, and a person basically replies, "Maybe it's supekutaa, that's a scary ghost in English." It is also not named in the Chain of Memories Ultimania, only listing the final battle as "Marluxia Final".
The name "Spectre" actually started out, IIRC, when someone asked if it had a name, and someone replied "it's Spectre". When asked where he got it, there was never a reply. It just spread like a disease from there. WtW-Suzaku 14:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
"Roxas could have been fighting Sora for dominance over their body, or he could have been testing Sora to make sure he was strong enough to fight Xemnas and other Organization members, or simply because he had wanted to meet Sora himself."
Naminé admits to being Kairi's unknown. Naminé neither has an X in it, nor is it an anagram of Kairi. This proves the statements of naming of the nobodies untrue. I think this should be taken out and dropped from the discussion.
Just something I think I should bring up. The article lists which Nobody enemy is controlled by which Organization member (Dancers controlled by Demyx, Samurai controlled by Roxas, etc.). My question is in regards to the foundation of the claim. On one hand, half of them make sense: Berserkers, Dragoons, Snipers, and Gamblers were all first seen being summoned by a particular Organization member. They even have the same reaction commands. On the other hand, I haven't seen material suggesting connections between the remaining Nobodys and the other Org. members, unless it was broken down so that the remaining Nobodys teamed up with whichever Org. member made the most sense.
I suppose all I'm asking is, should we reference an official source indicating this kind of hierarchy? Or should we list it as speculation?
Where does it everk say that all nobodies are born in Twilight Town? I know that's where it says Roxas was born, but I don't know if that can be used to encompass all nobodies in the game. What about the huge mass of nobodies that reside in the World That Never Was? If they were all born in Twilight Town, why would their base be set up in The World That Never Was? I think someone should check the validity of that claim and be sure it's correct.
Ansem Report 6 says Nobodies are born somewhere other than the world of light, so why would Nobodies all be born in Twilight Town...a world that's a world of light? I think the reason Roxas' was born in Twilight Town is, as said in Ansem Report 12, due to Sora not staying a heartless long and getting his body back. Just as Kairi didn't lose her body and her nobody was reborn somewhere else in the world of light, so was Sora's. If any place would be the world where Nobodies are born into..it would be The World That Never Was. The world of nothing...just like nobodies are nothing. The nobodies call themselves "Residents of Darkness" after all.
They are born in twilight town,and immediately migrate to the world that never was,most likey though betwixt and between.-GRAHAMR
Excuse me, I'm confused about Axel's description for Kingdom Hearts II. I agree with most of it, but there is one part that does not seem right.
When that plan fails, Axel discovers that Xemnas has simply been using Roxas and the other members of the Organization to further his own selfish desires and he turns against the Organization. He kidnaps Kairi to see if he could use her to influence Sora to fight with him against Xemnas.
When did Axel say he kidnapped Kairi to persuade Sora to fight against Xemnas? When did Xemnas say or imply he was just using the Organization members to "further his own selfish desires"? I played the game twice and I did not any kind of impression like that, so I would like to know how this statement is true.
I tried editting the page by using this paragraph, but it was reverted:
When that plan fails, he betrays the Organization to further his own plans. Outside of Organization orders, he kidnaps Kairi, but Saix stole her away for the Organization to fuel Sora's anger and brands Axel as a traitor. Axel reappears during the fifth visit of Hollow Bastion in front of Sora, and informs Sora that Organization XIII is manipulating him, and promptly escapes when Saix appears. Later in the second visit of Twilight Town, Saix warns Sora that Axel will stop at nothing to turn him into a Heartless, but it is unclear if Axel truely was trying to do that. Rasenth 05:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The description for Organization member XI, Marluxia, appears to be missing at the moment. - 22:08 (CDT) 19 April 2006
I don't know if this really deserves to be stated anywhere, but does anyone else think it's interesting that ALL of the Organization members wear the same boots, which Xehanort also wears in the flashbacks to when he was a disciple, and all through KH1-CoM as "Ansem"? Guess they all shop at the same store. WtW-Suzaku 04:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
We should probably ban 69.110.5.129 or something. He seems to need to yell his pork fetish off of the mountaintops. urutapu 17:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The reson people are vandalizing this page because no one is really loojing out for it that much someone should take responsibility and look at it every day to make sure nothing happens
Is there any information out there about the cloaks? Most notibly, why Riku and Mickey wear them until they're fully 'revealled' despite having no organization connections whatsoever? 216.221.88.108 00:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I think its just a normal black cloak.don't the organzation have caoks that magicly shieled their faces? mickey has no such thing.-GRAHAMR
I think maybe because they were in the darkness they didn'y feel like themselves and felt like nobodies and temparily joined the organazation and quit and kept the cool cloaks
I restored the last 2 members of the organization to the page.
Superway25 20:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
"Order" is pretty pointless to keep...it isn't used in any Japanese media that uses English names past "[deep dive]". urutapu 23:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
"letting Sora believe him to be gone for good (whether or not Sora believes this is unclear)"
In Chain of Memories, if you read "Castle Oblivion"'s entry in Jiminy's Journal's after entering the last world of the game, he says Axel "is out of the way". Well, if they thought he was still alive, they wouldn't be so sure that Axel was going to let them proceed like that, don't you think? I'm going to take that last part from the article, the one considering if Sora believes or not in his death. If you feel like putting it again, put it, but please give some reason.
I was rereading the script of KH:CoM, when suddently I saw something I didn't remember.
"I don't know... But the scent was very similar to the Superior's. Exactly similar, if I may say."
This is Zexion's, refering to Riku. He's comparing Riku to their Superior, Xemnas.
Well, in the article, it says the Superior's element is "nothingness". Can someone confirm where it is refered to as such? In the game, in the Ultimania book, well, in any official resource? Because, I don't think Riku controls "nothingness", you know.
Compared to Riku, Xemnas' element could be either "twilight" (between light and dark, if you don't remember from the games) and "darkness". But, as Zexion and Vexen discuss in the game:
" Zexion: Riku once shouldered the darkness. Perhaps that made him half-dark.
Vexen: And that's why you mistook him for the Superior. "
We must consider that Xemnas is then half-dark - and, unless you want to hit me with some "he's half-dark and half-nothing" weird thing, I gotta say he's between light and dark - twilight.
"Nothingness"... it doesn't fit neither of Zexion's description.
Oh, and I found something else:
"He belongs to neither the light nor the dark, but walks the twilight between."
About Xemnas, the Superior. While the article considers that all Nobodies are in the twilight, to Riku be confounded especially with the Superior... he had Xehanort's darkness, and that obviously make them very close. But that "that made him half-dark/that's why you mistook him for the Superior" thingy doesn't leave my head.
What do you think? Should we consider Xemnas twilight or even darkness? Or keep the nothingess?
Technically, Axel's weapons are more similar to wind-and-fire wheels, not chakrams (i.e. they aren't thrown, but used as melee weapons). I would go as far as to say they are wind-and-fire wheels. Is there any official material stating that his weapons are chakrams? Jiminy's Journal lists him as carrying "a uniquely-shaped weapon," but that's about it. Divineline 18:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
You could call them a Cakuramu that can also be used a wind and fire wheel
If we arrange the members of the Organization XIII by rank and match them up with a corresponding playing card, there are a few things that seem to stand out.
Notice right away that Xemnas is the Ace, and Roxas is the King. Seems to make sense so far. Larxene, being the only female, lands the queen's spot. Also, Luxord, being the gambler of the group, is given the 10 spot. There might be more significant connections (possibly with tarot?) that should be looked into. Xagest 08:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Really....this should have been done a longgggggg time ago. the only reason i could think of otherwise is that it would make the article too long...but then again,who wouldn't like the sheer exilaration of having all the org13 people and the nobody types on the same page-GRAHAMR
Meh?! What the hell do you mean by"Individual nobodies are not notable" and "the format would be ugly"?
Now im really starting to think that nobodies need a seprate page form 0rg13-GRAHAMR
Hey everyone I made a page just for Roxas you should check it out this is for all the people who think roxas should have his own page just search roxas and it will pop up --
sar
04:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)