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The title of this page needs to be renamed. Ministries and Statutory boards of the Singapore government are not departments, the later of which are used to refer to specific bodies usually formed under the PMO etc. Examples include the Elections department and the Statistical department.-- Huaiwei 14:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
When you actually do have departmental agencies under the Singapore government, you obviously cannot have a title like this, even if it was meant to have a general meaning.-- Huaiwei 15:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Move it back to the Government of Singapore page unless the later has become too long.-- Huaiwei 15:21, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You make it sound as thou only Singapore calls her top-tier governmental organisations "Ministries". Almost all Commonwealth and European countries, as well as most major Asian countries call them as such too, with the only major exception being the United States. There is simply no need to explain this, as thou Singapore is a tiny exception on the global arena. I would either change it to "Organisations", "Agency" or simply "structure" for a less controversial word to use.-- Huaiwei 15:45, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh sure they are Commonwalth countries. Did I say all Commonwealth countries? How may other Commonwealth countries uses the word department? Meanwhile, how do you explain the fact that 9 out of 10 countries in Southeast Asia call them ministries, the only exception being the Philippines (quite obviously due to its American heritage)? Or the fact that China, Japan and Korea also call them ministries? How about usage in Latin America? The government is an organisation? Of coz. Can an organisation have sub-organisations? Why not? Structure of the Singapore government has a different meaning? Such as? All in all, it is obvious the word ministry is hardly a exception, and hardly needs explaining beyond Singapore's shores. And most importantly, we do not change the way words are used in Singapore-related articles to conflicting terms just because one forumer thinks it is not well known across the wikipedia community. Are you going to change all of our "secondary school" articles to "High schools" instead, irrespective of how they are known here?-- Huaiwei 16:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am feeling quite cool, and I am awaiting an answer. If not, I am changing the title soon.-- Huaiwei 18:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for causing this misunderstanding. When I modified the
Template:Politics of Singapore, I was following the design of
Template:PoliticsUK, and (without thinking) kept the wordings "Government Departments".
I don't have a strong understanding on the scope of the words "Government" and "department". The word "government" has been used rather inconsistently in Singapore, sometimes refering only to the cabinet (e.g. when refering to making political decisions). Other times, "government" is understood as including the Ministries or Civil Service (e.g. in implementing policies). May I suggest that the article of
Government of Singapore to be modelled after the article
Government of Australia, to give an overview of the structure and describe the major branches of government. As for the article
Departments of the Singapore Government, the title "department" might be misleading to Singaporeans (like myself) who do not usually associate "Department" with "Ministry". An organization as small as 20 people may be considered as a department. For the lack of a better word, can we change the title to "
Government agencies of Singapore"? For example in
http://www.gov.sg/, it has the phrase "find websites of Government agencies ....". I don't have a strong opinion here, and "
Organisations of the Singapore Government" also seems acceptable to me. --
Vsion 05:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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The title of this page needs to be renamed. Ministries and Statutory boards of the Singapore government are not departments, the later of which are used to refer to specific bodies usually formed under the PMO etc. Examples include the Elections department and the Statistical department.-- Huaiwei 14:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
When you actually do have departmental agencies under the Singapore government, you obviously cannot have a title like this, even if it was meant to have a general meaning.-- Huaiwei 15:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Move it back to the Government of Singapore page unless the later has become too long.-- Huaiwei 15:21, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You make it sound as thou only Singapore calls her top-tier governmental organisations "Ministries". Almost all Commonwealth and European countries, as well as most major Asian countries call them as such too, with the only major exception being the United States. There is simply no need to explain this, as thou Singapore is a tiny exception on the global arena. I would either change it to "Organisations", "Agency" or simply "structure" for a less controversial word to use.-- Huaiwei 15:45, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh sure they are Commonwalth countries. Did I say all Commonwealth countries? How may other Commonwealth countries uses the word department? Meanwhile, how do you explain the fact that 9 out of 10 countries in Southeast Asia call them ministries, the only exception being the Philippines (quite obviously due to its American heritage)? Or the fact that China, Japan and Korea also call them ministries? How about usage in Latin America? The government is an organisation? Of coz. Can an organisation have sub-organisations? Why not? Structure of the Singapore government has a different meaning? Such as? All in all, it is obvious the word ministry is hardly a exception, and hardly needs explaining beyond Singapore's shores. And most importantly, we do not change the way words are used in Singapore-related articles to conflicting terms just because one forumer thinks it is not well known across the wikipedia community. Are you going to change all of our "secondary school" articles to "High schools" instead, irrespective of how they are known here?-- Huaiwei 16:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am feeling quite cool, and I am awaiting an answer. If not, I am changing the title soon.-- Huaiwei 18:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for causing this misunderstanding. When I modified the
Template:Politics of Singapore, I was following the design of
Template:PoliticsUK, and (without thinking) kept the wordings "Government Departments".
I don't have a strong understanding on the scope of the words "Government" and "department". The word "government" has been used rather inconsistently in Singapore, sometimes refering only to the cabinet (e.g. when refering to making political decisions). Other times, "government" is understood as including the Ministries or Civil Service (e.g. in implementing policies). May I suggest that the article of
Government of Singapore to be modelled after the article
Government of Australia, to give an overview of the structure and describe the major branches of government. As for the article
Departments of the Singapore Government, the title "department" might be misleading to Singaporeans (like myself) who do not usually associate "Department" with "Ministry". An organization as small as 20 people may be considered as a department. For the lack of a better word, can we change the title to "
Government agencies of Singapore"? For example in
http://www.gov.sg/, it has the phrase "find websites of Government agencies ....". I don't have a strong opinion here, and "
Organisations of the Singapore Government" also seems acceptable to me. --
Vsion 05:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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