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$12.5 million for the entire project: "A Capitol "Wings" project, completed in 1977, at a cost of $12.5 million, added further space for legislative offices, hearing rooms, support services, a first floor galleria, and underground parking." (from the leg website) Katr67 18:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, it's not like Aboutmovies or I own this article. If someone thinks s/he can improve it, be my guest. Katr67 06:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Making the names of the flora lowercase creates redirects and seems to go against the MOS. What's the consensus on this? Katr67 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Our planet's Moon is a proper noun--what is the reason for making it lowercase? Katr67 21:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Architectural styles are also capitalized. Katr67 23:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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This is a very thorough piece of work which meets the GA criteria. Well done! Johnfos 09:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't stay away even with a self-reinforcing wikibreak. So I see an instance of "capitol" was changed to "Capitol" but I believe a previous copyedit made all stand-alone references to capitol lowercase. Although I normally despise the use of capitalization to show Great Metaphorical Significance, I think it might be OK in this instance? (Only when referring specifically to the current capitol). I won't flip out (see above) if we go with lowercase, but I will if it's not consistent. Thoughts? Katr67 20:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Per my comments in May when the gallery was removed before, I prefer no photo gallery. I just don't think they look good. Aboutmovies 22:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's what's in commons. Mostly alternate views of the building. If the Celilo mural license is accurate, that would be a good addition. I could go take some more pictures if the weather works out. What do you want? More statues, murals, the Oregon shrubbery, the bell, the "dirt fountain" (Breyman Bros fountain)? Katr67 02:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is the Gilbert part of "Justus F. Krumbein and Gilbert, architects," OK, or is Gilbert missing something? Finetooth 01:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
User:Wikilost recently added the following text to the article, which AboutMovies and I reverted:
“ | The seal itself depicts an eagle superimposed over images depicting the history of Oregon. The eagle is similar to the one in the United States seal, (an eagle holding arrows in one claw and an olive branch in the other) with the notable difference being that the eagle's head is tilted toward the arrows, signifying, apparently, Oregon's preference for war. [2] | ” |
I see a couple different problems with this text. First, if any of it is to be included, the bare facts must be cited: in other words, a reliable source stating that the seal is on the floor, or perhaps a photo of the floor of the capitol. Second, the interpretation looks to me like original research; it's interesting, but not worthy of an encyclopedia article. Maybe if there's a scholarly article making that claim, it might be worth noting that the interpretation has been made; but it can't be presented as fact or speculation. - Pete ( talk) 00:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I've heard a similar story before, but not about Oregon, about the Seal of the President of the United States. Snopes has a note about a false urban legend about the eagle on the presidential seal being changed during wartime to face the arrows. That may be where this original misconception is coming from with this seal. Certainly not worth commenting on in this article. -- Dual Freq ( talk) 01:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
We need some sort of diagram or map showing where everything is located. Bobbyb30q ( talk) 01:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Oregon's is the only Art Deco capitol. ("It is the only Art Deco style state capitol.")
However, the article for the Louisiana State Capitol cites it as an Art Deco building (in the side bar table to the right of the article with fast facts of the LA building, the architectural style is given as Art Deco).
Sorry, I don't know how to properly post this, but just wanted to bring it to someone's attention.
Even though it has been nearly a decade this topic has sat dormant I have some information to challenge the designation all-together. The NRHP application (7-1) places it under Modernistic Style. The page for this style states that it encompasses several different styles of architecture, one of them being PWA Moderne. I am unaware of when the style was identified or named and may not have been used or conceptualized when each of these works were produced. All of the example photos of this style bear striking resemblance to the current capitol, it was known to be used frequently during the exact time frame of construction (also in the application), and often favored for federal institutions. This very article states the percentage of federal funds going into the project and this style shows that influence. Coincidentally, the Public Works Administration is cited as the federal agency contributing to the project and happens to also be what PWA stands for in the style's name itself for obvious and cite-able reasons. The lengthy application for historic status is a very complete document and a meticulously researched history of the building. It must be of the most reliable on information having been a federally produced, reviewed, and approved document intended to stand the test and scrutiny of time. Therefore:
Please provide input. - PS : The application is, in all reality what this article dreams to be and I feel more of the article needs written from and expanded by its information as further discussion. Darryl.P.Pike ( talk) 18:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Where exactly did the second capitol sit, the one that burned in the 1930s? Was it the same place, facing north, as the current building? -- 98.232.182.66 ( talk) 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Might have some info to mine. Aboutmovies ( talk) 10:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
From the Centennial History of Oregon:
wikisource:en:File:Centennial_History_of_Oregon_1811-1912,_Volume_1.djvu-631.png
Would be great to fix 'er up and incorporate it. - Pete ( talk) 01:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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I see a rotunda. Where's the dome? Where's the hemi-sphere? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:42, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Why is this not included? /info/en/?search=Mike_Nearman#2020_Oregon_Capitol_riot 38.73.253.217 ( talk) 04:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently collecting sources at Talk:Oregon State Capitol breach. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that not all of the sources cited fully support the content they are backing, which is especially concerning as this is listed as a featured article.
I'm concerned that based on these issues from a small sample, that source-text integrity lapses like this are more widespread in the article. I also wonder if some of the text needs checked for currency; for instance, the article implies the Waite Fountain is the original one from 1907-ish; but it appears to have been replaced by a structure of different design. Listing at WP:FARGIVEN; a featured article review is likely necessary unless the sources can be checked and fixed/replaced. Hog Farm Talk 02:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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$12.5 million for the entire project: "A Capitol "Wings" project, completed in 1977, at a cost of $12.5 million, added further space for legislative offices, hearing rooms, support services, a first floor galleria, and underground parking." (from the leg website) Katr67 18:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, it's not like Aboutmovies or I own this article. If someone thinks s/he can improve it, be my guest. Katr67 06:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Making the names of the flora lowercase creates redirects and seems to go against the MOS. What's the consensus on this? Katr67 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Our planet's Moon is a proper noun--what is the reason for making it lowercase? Katr67 21:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Architectural styles are also capitalized. Katr67 23:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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This is a very thorough piece of work which meets the GA criteria. Well done! Johnfos 09:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't stay away even with a self-reinforcing wikibreak. So I see an instance of "capitol" was changed to "Capitol" but I believe a previous copyedit made all stand-alone references to capitol lowercase. Although I normally despise the use of capitalization to show Great Metaphorical Significance, I think it might be OK in this instance? (Only when referring specifically to the current capitol). I won't flip out (see above) if we go with lowercase, but I will if it's not consistent. Thoughts? Katr67 20:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Per my comments in May when the gallery was removed before, I prefer no photo gallery. I just don't think they look good. Aboutmovies 22:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's what's in commons. Mostly alternate views of the building. If the Celilo mural license is accurate, that would be a good addition. I could go take some more pictures if the weather works out. What do you want? More statues, murals, the Oregon shrubbery, the bell, the "dirt fountain" (Breyman Bros fountain)? Katr67 02:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is the Gilbert part of "Justus F. Krumbein and Gilbert, architects," OK, or is Gilbert missing something? Finetooth 01:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
User:Wikilost recently added the following text to the article, which AboutMovies and I reverted:
“ | The seal itself depicts an eagle superimposed over images depicting the history of Oregon. The eagle is similar to the one in the United States seal, (an eagle holding arrows in one claw and an olive branch in the other) with the notable difference being that the eagle's head is tilted toward the arrows, signifying, apparently, Oregon's preference for war. [2] | ” |
I see a couple different problems with this text. First, if any of it is to be included, the bare facts must be cited: in other words, a reliable source stating that the seal is on the floor, or perhaps a photo of the floor of the capitol. Second, the interpretation looks to me like original research; it's interesting, but not worthy of an encyclopedia article. Maybe if there's a scholarly article making that claim, it might be worth noting that the interpretation has been made; but it can't be presented as fact or speculation. - Pete ( talk) 00:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I've heard a similar story before, but not about Oregon, about the Seal of the President of the United States. Snopes has a note about a false urban legend about the eagle on the presidential seal being changed during wartime to face the arrows. That may be where this original misconception is coming from with this seal. Certainly not worth commenting on in this article. -- Dual Freq ( talk) 01:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
We need some sort of diagram or map showing where everything is located. Bobbyb30q ( talk) 01:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Oregon's is the only Art Deco capitol. ("It is the only Art Deco style state capitol.")
However, the article for the Louisiana State Capitol cites it as an Art Deco building (in the side bar table to the right of the article with fast facts of the LA building, the architectural style is given as Art Deco).
Sorry, I don't know how to properly post this, but just wanted to bring it to someone's attention.
Even though it has been nearly a decade this topic has sat dormant I have some information to challenge the designation all-together. The NRHP application (7-1) places it under Modernistic Style. The page for this style states that it encompasses several different styles of architecture, one of them being PWA Moderne. I am unaware of when the style was identified or named and may not have been used or conceptualized when each of these works were produced. All of the example photos of this style bear striking resemblance to the current capitol, it was known to be used frequently during the exact time frame of construction (also in the application), and often favored for federal institutions. This very article states the percentage of federal funds going into the project and this style shows that influence. Coincidentally, the Public Works Administration is cited as the federal agency contributing to the project and happens to also be what PWA stands for in the style's name itself for obvious and cite-able reasons. The lengthy application for historic status is a very complete document and a meticulously researched history of the building. It must be of the most reliable on information having been a federally produced, reviewed, and approved document intended to stand the test and scrutiny of time. Therefore:
Please provide input. - PS : The application is, in all reality what this article dreams to be and I feel more of the article needs written from and expanded by its information as further discussion. Darryl.P.Pike ( talk) 18:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Where exactly did the second capitol sit, the one that burned in the 1930s? Was it the same place, facing north, as the current building? -- 98.232.182.66 ( talk) 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Might have some info to mine. Aboutmovies ( talk) 10:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
From the Centennial History of Oregon:
wikisource:en:File:Centennial_History_of_Oregon_1811-1912,_Volume_1.djvu-631.png
Would be great to fix 'er up and incorporate it. - Pete ( talk) 01:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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I see a rotunda. Where's the dome? Where's the hemi-sphere? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:42, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Why is this not included? /info/en/?search=Mike_Nearman#2020_Oregon_Capitol_riot 38.73.253.217 ( talk) 04:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently collecting sources at Talk:Oregon State Capitol breach. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that not all of the sources cited fully support the content they are backing, which is especially concerning as this is listed as a featured article.
I'm concerned that based on these issues from a small sample, that source-text integrity lapses like this are more widespread in the article. I also wonder if some of the text needs checked for currency; for instance, the article implies the Waite Fountain is the original one from 1907-ish; but it appears to have been replaced by a structure of different design. Listing at WP:FARGIVEN; a featured article review is likely necessary unless the sources can be checked and fixed/replaced. Hog Farm Talk 02:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)