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I'm indebted to a wonderful book, "Fire At Eden's Gate- Tom McCall and the Oregon Story" by Brent Walth for my contributions to this article ( PDXer 20:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC))
If you're so indebted to it, why don't you cite it? 65.100.48.231 18:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and added the citation for the book. It should be correct. 65.100.48.231 22:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This article claims 5 cents initially. I clearly remember the value being 3 cents initially... updated to 5 cents within the past 15 years. I'm marking it WP:FACT. -- Randal L. Schwartz ( talk) 01:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
The Oregon Bottle Bill as originally passed (Chapter 745, Oregon Laws 1971) specified that the minimum deposit was 5 cents, except for beverage containers that were certified (by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission or OLCC) to be resuable by more than one manufacturer. The certified reusable bottles only required a 2-cent minimum deposit. OLCC certified an 11-oz stubby bottle (with the ring on the shoulder mentioned by EncMstr) and a 32-oz bottle that any brewery could use by just washing off the old paper label. By tradition the 11-oz bottle did have a 2-cent deposit, but the 32-oz bottle carried a 3-cent deposit. Neither bottle is currently in commercial use, but the law still stands and any brewery could use them if they want to and only charge a 2-cent deposit. In practice though, the advertising value of having your own special bottle (emblazoned with eagles or brand names or whatever) greatly exceeded the value of only requiring a 2-cent deposit instead of 5-cents, which is why nobody uses the standardized bottles anymore. This article needs to be updated with all the changes that happened in 2011, 2012, and 2013 thought, where Oregon will add juices, teas, sports drinks, and other non-alcoholic beverages to the law effective in 2018, and where the deposit is likely to double to 10 cents in 2017 unless the redemption rate improves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterSpendelow ( talk • contribs) 05:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I changed the quotation "I don't give a shit what the rest of the world..." to "I don't care what..." from this reasoning: If the quotation is not citable, it is just as well to either not mention it or to have a palletable version. I mean, we might as well have it written "I don't give a flying fuck what..." since nobody knows what it *actually* said. ---Saibot
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The Oregon Bottle Bill increased from 5 cents to 10 cents in April 2017, and will expand to all beverage containers except distilled spirits in 2018. Source: OLCC New Revised Bottle Bill. Wufan10304 ( talk) 00:44, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
The last paragraph has some misleading or out-of-place statements. "Many of these facilities are located in remote industrial parks" - What does this have to do with the retailer's requirements, and how many is many? Also, there is an unsupported claim of increased trashing of redeemable containers. While this may happen, the referenced citations don't support, or even reference, that claim. Jklemmack 4 Jan 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 17:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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I like the general idea of a shelf of soda for the image, but those items aren't in US packaging. How about a close up of the side of a bottle that has the OR 10¢ shown? Especially something that is covered by the Oregon law that most other states don't cover. Adam850 ( talk) 05:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree that these images work better than a generic refrigerator display case of soda. Adam850 ( talk) 00:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I've found that a lot of the contents in that section originates from Container Recycling Institute's Bottlebill.org page and references cited within their page. https://web.archive.org/web/20081005010417/http://www.bottlebill.org/about/mythfact.htm#src5 CRI is a self-proclaimed strong proponent of the Bottle Bill. This is a neutrality concern and some statistics maybe relevant for container deposit legislation but not to Oregon. Graywalls ( talk) 21:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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The article seems to present a point of view that is overwhelmingly against bottle deposit centers and the bottle deposit law. It does not provide necessary context and provides far too much granularity on controversial aspects of the centers in the wrong section. Sologkinz ( talk) 06:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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I'm indebted to a wonderful book, "Fire At Eden's Gate- Tom McCall and the Oregon Story" by Brent Walth for my contributions to this article ( PDXer 20:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC))
If you're so indebted to it, why don't you cite it? 65.100.48.231 18:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and added the citation for the book. It should be correct. 65.100.48.231 22:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This article claims 5 cents initially. I clearly remember the value being 3 cents initially... updated to 5 cents within the past 15 years. I'm marking it WP:FACT. -- Randal L. Schwartz ( talk) 01:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
The Oregon Bottle Bill as originally passed (Chapter 745, Oregon Laws 1971) specified that the minimum deposit was 5 cents, except for beverage containers that were certified (by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission or OLCC) to be resuable by more than one manufacturer. The certified reusable bottles only required a 2-cent minimum deposit. OLCC certified an 11-oz stubby bottle (with the ring on the shoulder mentioned by EncMstr) and a 32-oz bottle that any brewery could use by just washing off the old paper label. By tradition the 11-oz bottle did have a 2-cent deposit, but the 32-oz bottle carried a 3-cent deposit. Neither bottle is currently in commercial use, but the law still stands and any brewery could use them if they want to and only charge a 2-cent deposit. In practice though, the advertising value of having your own special bottle (emblazoned with eagles or brand names or whatever) greatly exceeded the value of only requiring a 2-cent deposit instead of 5-cents, which is why nobody uses the standardized bottles anymore. This article needs to be updated with all the changes that happened in 2011, 2012, and 2013 thought, where Oregon will add juices, teas, sports drinks, and other non-alcoholic beverages to the law effective in 2018, and where the deposit is likely to double to 10 cents in 2017 unless the redemption rate improves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterSpendelow ( talk • contribs) 05:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I changed the quotation "I don't give a shit what the rest of the world..." to "I don't care what..." from this reasoning: If the quotation is not citable, it is just as well to either not mention it or to have a palletable version. I mean, we might as well have it written "I don't give a flying fuck what..." since nobody knows what it *actually* said. ---Saibot
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The Oregon Bottle Bill increased from 5 cents to 10 cents in April 2017, and will expand to all beverage containers except distilled spirits in 2018. Source: OLCC New Revised Bottle Bill. Wufan10304 ( talk) 00:44, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
The last paragraph has some misleading or out-of-place statements. "Many of these facilities are located in remote industrial parks" - What does this have to do with the retailer's requirements, and how many is many? Also, there is an unsupported claim of increased trashing of redeemable containers. While this may happen, the referenced citations don't support, or even reference, that claim. Jklemmack 4 Jan 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 17:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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I like the general idea of a shelf of soda for the image, but those items aren't in US packaging. How about a close up of the side of a bottle that has the OR 10¢ shown? Especially something that is covered by the Oregon law that most other states don't cover. Adam850 ( talk) 05:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree that these images work better than a generic refrigerator display case of soda. Adam850 ( talk) 00:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I've found that a lot of the contents in that section originates from Container Recycling Institute's Bottlebill.org page and references cited within their page. https://web.archive.org/web/20081005010417/http://www.bottlebill.org/about/mythfact.htm#src5 CRI is a self-proclaimed strong proponent of the Bottle Bill. This is a neutrality concern and some statistics maybe relevant for container deposit legislation but not to Oregon. Graywalls ( talk) 21:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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The article seems to present a point of view that is overwhelmingly against bottle deposit centers and the bottle deposit law. It does not provide necessary context and provides far too much granularity on controversial aspects of the centers in the wrong section. Sologkinz ( talk) 06:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)