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On 13 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Where do we list the recipients? Robin Patterson 01:07, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps this could be included, though I do not know whether this is a "creative" or "novel" presentation not allowed for Wikipedia:
New system | |||||
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Order of New Zealand | Member | ||||
New Zealand Order of Merit | K. Grand Companion | K. Companion | Companion | Officer | Member |
Queen's Service Order | Companion | ||||
Old system | |||||
Order of the Bath | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Companion | ||
Order of St Michael and St George | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Companion | ||
Order of the British Empire | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Commander | Officer | Member |
Miscellaneous | Companion of Honour | Knight Bachelor | |||
N.b.
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"Knight" abbreviated to make chart narrow enough for low resolutions.
202.89.155.157 23:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Many of the links in the Reference section lead to a"page not found" message — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.252.60.18 ( talk) 10:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 17:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand → New Zealand Royal Honours System – I would like to rename this page to "New Zealand Royal honours system" to match the name used by the New Zealand Government since the 1995 review. Please indicate your opinion below and does anyone object to making a decision after 4 weeks? ---- Karl Stephens ( talk) 13:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I failed to mention that "New Zealand Royal Honours System" (in title case) is the name used in the original 1995 review (The New Zealand Royal Honours System : The Report of the Prime Minister’s Honours Advisory Committee - Overview), Government House ( New Zealand Royal Honours), The New Zealand Cabinet Manual, (ed 1996, ch 1.52 "The New Zealand Royal Honours System") and by DPMC Nomination Form. Balance any other name against the fact that the honours unit of DPMC is responsible for the honours system so they're authoritative for the name. ---- Karl Stephens ( talk) 08:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I should have stated from the outset that there is a problem where New Zealand recipients of the Knight/Dame Grand Companion and Knight/Dame Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit are classified as being members of a British Order of Knighthood (or as being British).
The solution is to use categories to describe the type of knighthood and honours system under which it was awarded. It is not necessary to distinguish citizenship because (with only a single exception) all Knight/Dames in the New Zealand Royal Honours System must be New Zealand citizens. The following changes are required:
To accomplish these changes the following actions are required:
*The template:post-nominals/NZL-cats can distinguish gender between Knight and Dame using GNZM and GNZMf to render the same link but a different category.
+ For Actions (3), (4), (5) & (6) assume the equivalent categories for Dame Grand Companion/Dame Companion.
The outcome of these changes and actions will be:
I'd like you opinion on the problem statement, changes, actions and outcomes as well as the names of the new categories particularly with Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood with the nationality designation with "British Knighthood" or "Honours system of UK" or something else if more appropriate.
Karl Stephens ( talk) 10:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) Kostas20142 ( talk) 18:31, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
New Zealand royal honours system →
Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand – Per
WP:CONSISTENCY with formula in all other entries in
Category:Orders, decorations, and medals by country along with its subcategories.
PPEMES (
talk)
12:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Material Works 00:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
– WP:CONSISTENT with other articles. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 04:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 17:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Kia ora Paora, not sure whether you have this page on your watchlist. If not, could you please check the rather substantial edit made by Nford24? You know better than I would whether that's all ok. For example, I'm unconvinced that it's a good idea to remove previous awards like QSO. Schwede 66 21:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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On 13 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Where do we list the recipients? Robin Patterson 01:07, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps this could be included, though I do not know whether this is a "creative" or "novel" presentation not allowed for Wikipedia:
New system | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Order of New Zealand | Member | ||||
New Zealand Order of Merit | K. Grand Companion | K. Companion | Companion | Officer | Member |
Queen's Service Order | Companion | ||||
Old system | |||||
Order of the Bath | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Companion | ||
Order of St Michael and St George | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Companion | ||
Order of the British Empire | K. Grand Cross | K. Commander | Commander | Officer | Member |
Miscellaneous | Companion of Honour | Knight Bachelor | |||
N.b.
|
"Knight" abbreviated to make chart narrow enough for low resolutions.
202.89.155.157 23:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Many of the links in the Reference section lead to a"page not found" message — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.252.60.18 ( talk) 10:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 17:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand → New Zealand Royal Honours System – I would like to rename this page to "New Zealand Royal honours system" to match the name used by the New Zealand Government since the 1995 review. Please indicate your opinion below and does anyone object to making a decision after 4 weeks? ---- Karl Stephens ( talk) 13:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I failed to mention that "New Zealand Royal Honours System" (in title case) is the name used in the original 1995 review (The New Zealand Royal Honours System : The Report of the Prime Minister’s Honours Advisory Committee - Overview), Government House ( New Zealand Royal Honours), The New Zealand Cabinet Manual, (ed 1996, ch 1.52 "The New Zealand Royal Honours System") and by DPMC Nomination Form. Balance any other name against the fact that the honours unit of DPMC is responsible for the honours system so they're authoritative for the name. ---- Karl Stephens ( talk) 08:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I should have stated from the outset that there is a problem where New Zealand recipients of the Knight/Dame Grand Companion and Knight/Dame Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit are classified as being members of a British Order of Knighthood (or as being British).
The solution is to use categories to describe the type of knighthood and honours system under which it was awarded. It is not necessary to distinguish citizenship because (with only a single exception) all Knight/Dames in the New Zealand Royal Honours System must be New Zealand citizens. The following changes are required:
To accomplish these changes the following actions are required:
*The template:post-nominals/NZL-cats can distinguish gender between Knight and Dame using GNZM and GNZMf to render the same link but a different category.
+ For Actions (3), (4), (5) & (6) assume the equivalent categories for Dame Grand Companion/Dame Companion.
The outcome of these changes and actions will be:
I'd like you opinion on the problem statement, changes, actions and outcomes as well as the names of the new categories particularly with Category:New Zealand Recipients of a UK Knighthood with the nationality designation with "British Knighthood" or "Honours system of UK" or something else if more appropriate.
Karl Stephens ( talk) 10:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) Kostas20142 ( talk) 18:31, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
New Zealand royal honours system →
Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand – Per
WP:CONSISTENCY with formula in all other entries in
Category:Orders, decorations, and medals by country along with its subcategories.
PPEMES (
talk)
12:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Material Works 00:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
– WP:CONSISTENT with other articles. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 04:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 17:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Kia ora Paora, not sure whether you have this page on your watchlist. If not, could you please check the rather substantial edit made by Nford24? You know better than I would whether that's all ok. For example, I'm unconvinced that it's a good idea to remove previous awards like QSO. Schwede 66 21:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)