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The Greek strength in the article is given as 220,000, quoting an encyclopedia, however a few things must be clarified:
The official (in Army histories) manpower figures given can either refer to the theoretical establishment accoridng to the official tables of organization, or to the actually present strength. To give an examle, on 31 October 1920 (Old Calendar) there was a theoretical establishment of 131,500 personnel but a present strength of 115,600 -ie a level of 88%. For the election campaign's purposes of November, Venizelos discharged the reservist class of 1915 reducing the manning level. On 1st January 1921 (OC) there were only 103,500 personnel present -ie a manning level of 78.7%. Following that low point, in March 1921 were called the 1913b, 1914 and 1915 classes, while in Arpil also the 1912 and 1913a classes, bringing 58,000 men, while an additional 12,000 local Anatolian Greeks were recruited. Still, prior to the grand summer 1921 offensives the Army of Asia Minor had on 20 June (OC) a present strength of 171,300 out of a theoretical 200,100 (ie a manning level of 85.6%). For March 1922 (last date I have found official data for present strength) the present strength of Army of Asia Minor is given as 177,000.
Furthermore, it must be noted that the Army of Asia Minor, per the request of Hatzianestis upon assuming command of the Army, incorporated the "Army of Thrace" (renamed to D' Corps on 1st June O.C.) in May 1922, thus changing its Order of Battle compared to 1921. The D' Corps on 31st July 1922 (O.C.) had 43,150 personell.
The total theoretical establishment of the Army of Asia Minor (with all Corps: A, B, C and D) is given for 1 August 1922 (OC) as 253,977. Given that there were clearly at least 40,000 men in Europe, and that the official history explicitly states that there was a problem with soldiers (and to a lesser extent officers) being absent from their posts, with or without leave, and the number of 220,000 (present strength?) which is given in the article, I believe that the Greek military personnel present on Anatolian soil in August 1922 was no more than 180,000, and possibly less than that.
Numbers quoted come all from official histories published by the Army History Directorate -- Xristar ( talk) 11:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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The Greek strength in the article is given as 220,000, quoting an encyclopedia, however a few things must be clarified:
The official (in Army histories) manpower figures given can either refer to the theoretical establishment accoridng to the official tables of organization, or to the actually present strength. To give an examle, on 31 October 1920 (Old Calendar) there was a theoretical establishment of 131,500 personnel but a present strength of 115,600 -ie a level of 88%. For the election campaign's purposes of November, Venizelos discharged the reservist class of 1915 reducing the manning level. On 1st January 1921 (OC) there were only 103,500 personnel present -ie a manning level of 78.7%. Following that low point, in March 1921 were called the 1913b, 1914 and 1915 classes, while in Arpil also the 1912 and 1913a classes, bringing 58,000 men, while an additional 12,000 local Anatolian Greeks were recruited. Still, prior to the grand summer 1921 offensives the Army of Asia Minor had on 20 June (OC) a present strength of 171,300 out of a theoretical 200,100 (ie a manning level of 85.6%). For March 1922 (last date I have found official data for present strength) the present strength of Army of Asia Minor is given as 177,000.
Furthermore, it must be noted that the Army of Asia Minor, per the request of Hatzianestis upon assuming command of the Army, incorporated the "Army of Thrace" (renamed to D' Corps on 1st June O.C.) in May 1922, thus changing its Order of Battle compared to 1921. The D' Corps on 31st July 1922 (O.C.) had 43,150 personell.
The total theoretical establishment of the Army of Asia Minor (with all Corps: A, B, C and D) is given for 1 August 1922 (OC) as 253,977. Given that there were clearly at least 40,000 men in Europe, and that the official history explicitly states that there was a problem with soldiers (and to a lesser extent officers) being absent from their posts, with or without leave, and the number of 220,000 (present strength?) which is given in the article, I believe that the Greek military personnel present on Anatolian soil in August 1922 was no more than 180,000, and possibly less than that.
Numbers quoted come all from official histories published by the Army History Directorate -- Xristar ( talk) 11:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)