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Shouldn't this page be merged with Great Jedi Purge, as it is a vital part of that? Diego001 21:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you're right about that. -- Ed Telerionus 17:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
The details about Order 66 and the Great Jedi Purge shouldn't be kept separate as they both contain the information about the events that started the Galactic Civil War. I don't see any reason for these articles to be kept separate. -- Ed Telerionus 07:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
At the moment, I suggest we keep the two separate. I think that after seeing Ep III, a lot of people are going to be specifically looking for "Order 66" information, and from there, move into the Purge as a whole, due to the recent release of the movie. As OwenBlacker says, it's only one aspect of the Purge. However, at a later point in time, (I've seen suggested for other Episode III related articles a date three months after the DVD release), we should come back to the issue and look at it again. This way, we can make an informed, unbiased choice after all the hullabaloo has died down. Saberwyn 13:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
The jedi where responsible for their own defeat and destruction, thanks to Master Windu actions. I don't really consider Yoda and "invincible Jedi" because no one is invincible. I rather change this article, because someone has change it several times to declare that he is in fact invincible. If he was to be invincible, he could have destroyed the Sith lord in the first place.
Perhaps someone must review this page again with much more details. Because someone is writing from his own point of view by saying "minions" or the "Invincible Jedi".
I guess that the only survivors of Order 66 were Obi-Wan and Yoda. None others are mentioned in the movies instead of them. DarthPlaegis, 8:35, August 7, 2005
I think that order 66 was a very sad moment in episode 3. I mean, I saw my favorite Jedi get blown to bits bay ARC-170's (guess who it is). However, George Lucas could have picked some cooler jedi to survive, even though it would interfere with the other movies. Oh well. I guess I'll have to get over it. :)
There are different levels of canon of course. The movies overrule all other SW works. Also, it's possible that Yoda meant more specifically that he and Kenobi were the only Jedi he knew to still exist. This is also what seems to be implied in Episode III, during Senator Organa's discussion with Kenobi and Yoda. Certainly, Kenobi and Yoda are the only known major Jedi who survived. Solberg 05:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg
"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. " -- Article
I find this difficult to belive. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Palpatines remark "The time has come" clearly implies that the order had been there from the begining, and that the order was only a directive to to kill all Jedi.
Uh -- hello? Is there anybody there?
-- Jason Palpatine 16:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok. I deleted the reference of the order declaring the Jedi enemies of the state. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Though we have no way of knowing WHEN the order was given to the troopers, the likelyhood of it being a declaration of the Jedi being enemies of the stae is minimal. The clones were operation under the command of the Jedi throughout the war. If the troops had been told they were enemies of the state -- conditioning or not -- they could not have effectivly operated under Jedi command. The order then, had to have read something like "when I (Palpatine) commands, kill all Jedi." The order would not have had anything to do with declaring them enemies of the state -- that is justification, and an order to a trooper does not need justification. -- Jason Palpatine 01:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
According to the "Galactic Battlegrounds" Database, Echuu Shen-Jon (another little-known Jedi) survived the Great Jedi Purge and went into hiding on Krant. It is not known, however, how he survived it. Also, if Yoda was supposedly invincible, he most likely would not have tried to destroy the Sith Lord. According to the Star Wars books, "the moment a Sith Lord is killed, someone in the galaxy replaces that Sith." So Yoda, being very wise, probably knew this and most likely did not attack the Sith Lord as he did not want to become a Sith Lord himself. Someone may bring up the issue that Darth Maul supposedly wasn't replaced by Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus), but I do not have the answer to that.
That's not necessarily canon though of course, although it could be true
Solberg
05:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg
Yoda should be removed. His death was natural and had nothing to do wih the purge or Vader. Also, where is Plo Koon? He died and seemesd to be missing. As for Echuu, he did survive but i believe he died later to the Imperials. (man, i need to play that again)
My apologies, but I don't think the writing on this page is 100% clear.
What exactly is the relevance of the Hitler assassination attempt in this section? Thanks to any who reply, I may be missing something.
"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. This idea may have come from the 1944 assassination plot on Hitler. The assassins had made arrangements after the assassination took place to implement Operation Valkyrie in Berlin which would turn the German troops against the Nazi regime. This however never happened due to the failure of the assassination attempt."
Article reads: "However, it is known that at least one group of clone commandos did not carry out the order. The reason is suspected to be because the clones had served alongside the Jedi, they gave them a chance to escape. They were executed by Darth Vader for the treason." Surely this is true of many of the clone Commandoes, including Cody et. al. The article doesn't say what made this particular group special. Irrevenant 12:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I have shortened this section quite drastically in response to a comment made on WikiProject: Countering Systemic Bias in Religion. The previous wording went into unnecessary detail about historical events and Christian theological concepts. It could have been gratuitously offensive to some Christian readers. I guess in the process I might not have been very reverential towards Star Wars, but there you go. It's an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. Keep up the good work. Itsmejudith 14:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Should references in other works to Order 66 be catalogued on this page, or is there a central repository for all referenes Star Trek Wars related? Order 66 was just mentioned in the comic strip
Least I Could Do this week.
[1]
samwaltz
21:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
ALWAYS CITE YOUR SOURCES, PEOPLE. WP:CITE -- Writtenonsand 10:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Just curious; has it ever been explained how master Jedi's with the ability to essentially read minds and whatnot managed to not notice the intent of the people standing behind them to shoot them in the back of the head? I mean, they more or less have "Spider Sense", and while I could understand them being overpowered, as was the case in some of the shown deaths, but this seems like something that would have been addressed at some point in the expanded universe. 71.255.94.31 20:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It has been made clear in almost all books (both EU and canon) that Jedi sense emotion, and several if not all the jedi in the films have made "I can sence your anger/fear/love" statements. The clones had no hate or rage towards the jedi, so unless the Jedi happened to be trying to read there minds at the time there is no reason they should have suspected a thing. From the clones point of view order 66 had no difference to "Remember to polish your boots"
This article needs a lot of work to match up with the other articles in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars. We need to always cite our sources. See WP:CITE. Also, we need cleanup as well to match up with the other articles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars. Sjones23 21:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that there's a chance someone not versed in Star Wars could come to this page looking for information on games for their cell phone? Should there be a link at the top just in case?
In the past days I entered this paragraph into the article.
==Connection to Real History==
The essence of Order 66 and the way it is carried out is similar to the order issued by
[[Pope Clement V]] to simultaneusly arrest all the members of the [[Knights Templar]],
effectively ending the military order influence and power across Europe.
Unfortunately a user does not agree inserting this text because he claims this is an Original Research (see also Wikipedia:No original research). This is not true, simply beacuse this is not a research at all, it is simply an extended connection between two articles. I presented it in a different paragraph, but I do not introduce any new concept to this article nor to the SW universe. I wanted to leave this comment here in order not to waste the information, I hope somebody in the future will be able to add this or a similar information to the main article. Luca Mauri 08:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this page be merged with Great Jedi Purge, as it is a vital part of that? Diego001 21:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you're right about that. -- Ed Telerionus 17:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
The details about Order 66 and the Great Jedi Purge shouldn't be kept separate as they both contain the information about the events that started the Galactic Civil War. I don't see any reason for these articles to be kept separate. -- Ed Telerionus 07:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
At the moment, I suggest we keep the two separate. I think that after seeing Ep III, a lot of people are going to be specifically looking for "Order 66" information, and from there, move into the Purge as a whole, due to the recent release of the movie. As OwenBlacker says, it's only one aspect of the Purge. However, at a later point in time, (I've seen suggested for other Episode III related articles a date three months after the DVD release), we should come back to the issue and look at it again. This way, we can make an informed, unbiased choice after all the hullabaloo has died down. Saberwyn 13:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
The jedi where responsible for their own defeat and destruction, thanks to Master Windu actions. I don't really consider Yoda and "invincible Jedi" because no one is invincible. I rather change this article, because someone has change it several times to declare that he is in fact invincible. If he was to be invincible, he could have destroyed the Sith lord in the first place.
Perhaps someone must review this page again with much more details. Because someone is writing from his own point of view by saying "minions" or the "Invincible Jedi".
I guess that the only survivors of Order 66 were Obi-Wan and Yoda. None others are mentioned in the movies instead of them. DarthPlaegis, 8:35, August 7, 2005
I think that order 66 was a very sad moment in episode 3. I mean, I saw my favorite Jedi get blown to bits bay ARC-170's (guess who it is). However, George Lucas could have picked some cooler jedi to survive, even though it would interfere with the other movies. Oh well. I guess I'll have to get over it. :)
There are different levels of canon of course. The movies overrule all other SW works. Also, it's possible that Yoda meant more specifically that he and Kenobi were the only Jedi he knew to still exist. This is also what seems to be implied in Episode III, during Senator Organa's discussion with Kenobi and Yoda. Certainly, Kenobi and Yoda are the only known major Jedi who survived. Solberg 05:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg
"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. " -- Article
I find this difficult to belive. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Palpatines remark "The time has come" clearly implies that the order had been there from the begining, and that the order was only a directive to to kill all Jedi.
Uh -- hello? Is there anybody there?
-- Jason Palpatine 16:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok. I deleted the reference of the order declaring the Jedi enemies of the state. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Though we have no way of knowing WHEN the order was given to the troopers, the likelyhood of it being a declaration of the Jedi being enemies of the stae is minimal. The clones were operation under the command of the Jedi throughout the war. If the troops had been told they were enemies of the state -- conditioning or not -- they could not have effectivly operated under Jedi command. The order then, had to have read something like "when I (Palpatine) commands, kill all Jedi." The order would not have had anything to do with declaring them enemies of the state -- that is justification, and an order to a trooper does not need justification. -- Jason Palpatine 01:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
According to the "Galactic Battlegrounds" Database, Echuu Shen-Jon (another little-known Jedi) survived the Great Jedi Purge and went into hiding on Krant. It is not known, however, how he survived it. Also, if Yoda was supposedly invincible, he most likely would not have tried to destroy the Sith Lord. According to the Star Wars books, "the moment a Sith Lord is killed, someone in the galaxy replaces that Sith." So Yoda, being very wise, probably knew this and most likely did not attack the Sith Lord as he did not want to become a Sith Lord himself. Someone may bring up the issue that Darth Maul supposedly wasn't replaced by Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus), but I do not have the answer to that.
That's not necessarily canon though of course, although it could be true
Solberg
05:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg
Yoda should be removed. His death was natural and had nothing to do wih the purge or Vader. Also, where is Plo Koon? He died and seemesd to be missing. As for Echuu, he did survive but i believe he died later to the Imperials. (man, i need to play that again)
My apologies, but I don't think the writing on this page is 100% clear.
What exactly is the relevance of the Hitler assassination attempt in this section? Thanks to any who reply, I may be missing something.
"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. This idea may have come from the 1944 assassination plot on Hitler. The assassins had made arrangements after the assassination took place to implement Operation Valkyrie in Berlin which would turn the German troops against the Nazi regime. This however never happened due to the failure of the assassination attempt."
Article reads: "However, it is known that at least one group of clone commandos did not carry out the order. The reason is suspected to be because the clones had served alongside the Jedi, they gave them a chance to escape. They were executed by Darth Vader for the treason." Surely this is true of many of the clone Commandoes, including Cody et. al. The article doesn't say what made this particular group special. Irrevenant 12:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I have shortened this section quite drastically in response to a comment made on WikiProject: Countering Systemic Bias in Religion. The previous wording went into unnecessary detail about historical events and Christian theological concepts. It could have been gratuitously offensive to some Christian readers. I guess in the process I might not have been very reverential towards Star Wars, but there you go. It's an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. Keep up the good work. Itsmejudith 14:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Should references in other works to Order 66 be catalogued on this page, or is there a central repository for all referenes Star Trek Wars related? Order 66 was just mentioned in the comic strip
Least I Could Do this week.
[1]
samwaltz
21:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
ALWAYS CITE YOUR SOURCES, PEOPLE. WP:CITE -- Writtenonsand 10:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Just curious; has it ever been explained how master Jedi's with the ability to essentially read minds and whatnot managed to not notice the intent of the people standing behind them to shoot them in the back of the head? I mean, they more or less have "Spider Sense", and while I could understand them being overpowered, as was the case in some of the shown deaths, but this seems like something that would have been addressed at some point in the expanded universe. 71.255.94.31 20:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It has been made clear in almost all books (both EU and canon) that Jedi sense emotion, and several if not all the jedi in the films have made "I can sence your anger/fear/love" statements. The clones had no hate or rage towards the jedi, so unless the Jedi happened to be trying to read there minds at the time there is no reason they should have suspected a thing. From the clones point of view order 66 had no difference to "Remember to polish your boots"
This article needs a lot of work to match up with the other articles in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars. We need to always cite our sources. See WP:CITE. Also, we need cleanup as well to match up with the other articles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars. Sjones23 21:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that there's a chance someone not versed in Star Wars could come to this page looking for information on games for their cell phone? Should there be a link at the top just in case?
In the past days I entered this paragraph into the article.
==Connection to Real History==
The essence of Order 66 and the way it is carried out is similar to the order issued by
[[Pope Clement V]] to simultaneusly arrest all the members of the [[Knights Templar]],
effectively ending the military order influence and power across Europe.
Unfortunately a user does not agree inserting this text because he claims this is an Original Research (see also Wikipedia:No original research). This is not true, simply beacuse this is not a research at all, it is simply an extended connection between two articles. I presented it in a different paragraph, but I do not introduce any new concept to this article nor to the SW universe. I wanted to leave this comment here in order not to waste the information, I hope somebody in the future will be able to add this or a similar information to the main article. Luca Mauri 08:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)