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1. Trying to follow the history is very confusing
2. seems to be written by 1st language non English speakers full of improper sentences that make no sense or are very hard to understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.148.118 ( talk) 17:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
What is the whole section about the stamps doing here? It seems very out of place. tpahl 00:36, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
The "orange" of its title may come from the partially Dutch, Protestant origins of its Boer founders.
Can anyone confirm this? 213.202.166.238 18:33, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.239.102.75 ( talk) 17:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Both are correct. Rhe Orange River was named by Robert Jacob Gordon in honour of the dutch house of Orange The new Republic was therefore a reference to both: The Orange River as well as the Royal Dutch House of Orange Vrij (Dutch) of Free was used to add to the name, to strenghten the fact that it was not a colony but a free Republic.
"The white settlers built their racist society with military raids against African villages to capture African women and children to work as slave labor and cattle to establish extensive capitalist farming."
I am not disputing the facts here, yes they did raid for slaves and cattle, and they did establish large farms. However the tone sounds like a line from Mugabe. Do we have a better way of putting this together?
"The white settlers built their society with military raids against African villages to capture African women and children to work as slave labor and cattle to establish extensive commercial farms."
The racist part was already established earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodellpdx ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
This is factually incorrect, as the Groot Trek of 1838 and the ebolishment of slavery had occured. Raids ? More than likely, for slaves ? Highly unlikely —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixcroft ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
aren't there better terms?? -- Severino 08:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
In fact, these terms are official. These tribes are also named like this in German school books about South Africa. Indeed, it says: San hunter-gatherers (Bushmen) and Khoikhoi cattle herderers (Hottentots)
The mountins around us in Somerset West, Western Cape, South Africa are still called the Hottentots-Holland mountins and the high school I attended is still to today called Hottentots-Holland High School, it is just political correctness, it is not offensive but an term used by settelers and not the people themselves-- 196.23.52.172 ( talk) 08:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
The infobox mentions that the president was in exile after 28 May 1900. This is factually incorrect. On that date the government left Bloemfontein, but reorganised itself as best as it could in the field. Most of the time President Steyn and the better part of the government remained on Free State soil until the end of the South African War. Factually nor technically was the president in exile. I therefore removed this line from the infobox. Information on the exact state of affairs can be / is included in the main body of the text. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 19:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Going over this article in detail, it has become clear to me that it needs a major rewrite, not just references and sources added. For the time being the article can stay, awaiting further edits. I will do my best to address all the problems, but help is definitely required here. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 21:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel that in this article about a former state, it is necessary to adhere to the proper historical name of that state throughout the article, i.e. not Free State, but Orange Free State, as the abbreviated form of Republic of the Orange Free State.
Likewise, it seems advisable to consistently use South African Republic (as English form of the official Dutch name: Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek) when refering to the state, rather than the generic Transvaal. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 21:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Added section on state presidents in conformity with other articles. Work on dates and sources is necessary! Michel Doortmont ( talk) 16:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Mzilikazi and his Zulus : Corrected to refer to "and his Matabele" with the correct link. The Matabele are descendants of the zulu as can be read in the relative article. - Uwe Klopfer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixcroft ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Found in an Afrikaans booklet called: Gidskaart van ons wêreld in een Land (dated: 1985): Winburg: is the first Capital of the Orange Free State Republic. The town was established in 1842, 3 km out of town is the old birth house of M.T. Steyn, the last president of that Republic. Philippolis is established in 1825, by Adam Kok and his Griqua's, and is therefore the oldest town in the Orange Free State. The town was bought from said Griqua's in 1861, and their church was replaced with a NG church. Flagman ( talk) 10:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Confusing demographics. I assume that the text means Bloemfontein when it states that 75% of the population is white. That must be wrong, as in the 1904 census, whites are 34% of the population. I am new to wikipedia, and unclear on how to do so, but the demographics section should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebshark ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
sr 105.245.20.179 ( talk) 11:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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1. Trying to follow the history is very confusing
2. seems to be written by 1st language non English speakers full of improper sentences that make no sense or are very hard to understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.148.118 ( talk) 17:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
What is the whole section about the stamps doing here? It seems very out of place. tpahl 00:36, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
The "orange" of its title may come from the partially Dutch, Protestant origins of its Boer founders.
Can anyone confirm this? 213.202.166.238 18:33, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.239.102.75 ( talk) 17:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Both are correct. Rhe Orange River was named by Robert Jacob Gordon in honour of the dutch house of Orange The new Republic was therefore a reference to both: The Orange River as well as the Royal Dutch House of Orange Vrij (Dutch) of Free was used to add to the name, to strenghten the fact that it was not a colony but a free Republic.
"The white settlers built their racist society with military raids against African villages to capture African women and children to work as slave labor and cattle to establish extensive capitalist farming."
I am not disputing the facts here, yes they did raid for slaves and cattle, and they did establish large farms. However the tone sounds like a line from Mugabe. Do we have a better way of putting this together?
"The white settlers built their society with military raids against African villages to capture African women and children to work as slave labor and cattle to establish extensive commercial farms."
The racist part was already established earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodellpdx ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
This is factually incorrect, as the Groot Trek of 1838 and the ebolishment of slavery had occured. Raids ? More than likely, for slaves ? Highly unlikely —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixcroft ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
aren't there better terms?? -- Severino 08:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
In fact, these terms are official. These tribes are also named like this in German school books about South Africa. Indeed, it says: San hunter-gatherers (Bushmen) and Khoikhoi cattle herderers (Hottentots)
The mountins around us in Somerset West, Western Cape, South Africa are still called the Hottentots-Holland mountins and the high school I attended is still to today called Hottentots-Holland High School, it is just political correctness, it is not offensive but an term used by settelers and not the people themselves-- 196.23.52.172 ( talk) 08:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
The infobox mentions that the president was in exile after 28 May 1900. This is factually incorrect. On that date the government left Bloemfontein, but reorganised itself as best as it could in the field. Most of the time President Steyn and the better part of the government remained on Free State soil until the end of the South African War. Factually nor technically was the president in exile. I therefore removed this line from the infobox. Information on the exact state of affairs can be / is included in the main body of the text. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 19:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Going over this article in detail, it has become clear to me that it needs a major rewrite, not just references and sources added. For the time being the article can stay, awaiting further edits. I will do my best to address all the problems, but help is definitely required here. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 21:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel that in this article about a former state, it is necessary to adhere to the proper historical name of that state throughout the article, i.e. not Free State, but Orange Free State, as the abbreviated form of Republic of the Orange Free State.
Likewise, it seems advisable to consistently use South African Republic (as English form of the official Dutch name: Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek) when refering to the state, rather than the generic Transvaal. Michel Doortmont ( talk) 21:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Added section on state presidents in conformity with other articles. Work on dates and sources is necessary! Michel Doortmont ( talk) 16:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Mzilikazi and his Zulus : Corrected to refer to "and his Matabele" with the correct link. The Matabele are descendants of the zulu as can be read in the relative article. - Uwe Klopfer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixcroft ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Found in an Afrikaans booklet called: Gidskaart van ons wêreld in een Land (dated: 1985): Winburg: is the first Capital of the Orange Free State Republic. The town was established in 1842, 3 km out of town is the old birth house of M.T. Steyn, the last president of that Republic. Philippolis is established in 1825, by Adam Kok and his Griqua's, and is therefore the oldest town in the Orange Free State. The town was bought from said Griqua's in 1861, and their church was replaced with a NG church. Flagman ( talk) 10:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Confusing demographics. I assume that the text means Bloemfontein when it states that 75% of the population is white. That must be wrong, as in the 1904 census, whites are 34% of the population. I am new to wikipedia, and unclear on how to do so, but the demographics section should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebshark ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
sr 105.245.20.179 ( talk) 11:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)