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Why do you keep reverting from the correct spelling of the word Bahá'í. There are accent's and an aposrophe in the correct spelling. Also the correct name of the religion is Bahá'í Faith. -- Jeff3000 03:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I've re-deleted the list of identifications. These section said themselves, that they are speculative and non-canonical. If there is a part which can be saved, please state explicit references within the novels. -- Pjacobi 12:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The names of all the books of the OCB and all the faiths which are responsible for it are all straight out of The Dune Encyclopedia and the various books of the Dune series. If you have a problem with the identifications, which are not canonical, please go through those sections line by line and delete those rather than slashing out all the canonical information with them. Hiergargo 14:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone says that that the chapter references from Hebrew bible may not hold true for OCB. I would argue that this is a none sequiter. This part of the article says where the quotes came from and what they were based on. In this context accurate chapters and verses should be fully acceptable as they do not refer to the OCB.
The chapter references that are given are ones taken from the Dune series, not ones referring back to where the source materials for the OCB came from. Adding references back to the original source material would therefore be confusing. If one wanted to make reference back to the original source material, one should make it clear that the chapter and verse references are those of the Hebrew Bible/New Testament/Qur’an/etc. and not those of the OCB.
I can see your point. It is useful however to point to the source material of quotes where possible, things like "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" are taken directly from Exodus. Perhaps simply a (derived from: (book/verse) format would be acceptable? Lostsocks 17:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I could go for that. Hiergargo 21:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Is an unofficial (e.g., non-author) blog acceptable as an external link?
Per item #11 of Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided:
(I marked removal of this from the article as a minor edit by mistake.) -- SandChigger 17:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the original links to Buddhism and (Sunni) Islam from this word a while back because
Is there an article on Dune religions? If not, why don't we create one and link these terms in Dune articles to it? Links to the real/original religions can go from there.
What think ye? -- SandChigger 06:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
How is the site The Orange Catholic Bible Wiki relevant to this article?
The Orange Catholic Bible is a fictitious work. The website in question is concerned only with an attempt by fans to create an actual text:
It is therefore fanfic and non-authoritative. Please discuss before re-adding the link. -- SandChigger 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Listing the Decalogue as a reference for the "Thou shalt not make a machine..." injunction seems to be another example of the extreme dimness that seems to be seeping in around here. Any reason to keep it? -- SandChigger ( talk) 08:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Could there be an explanation ? Hektor ( talk) 22:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It isn't a real book, so the article shouldn't be written like it is. It is a literary device that exists in 3 basic sets of sources: (1) the original Dune series, (2) the new Dune books, (3) the Dune encyclopedia. These different takes on the OCB should be laid out and considered separately instead of integrating them to make some sort of overall OCB article like they are really talking about the same thing. I've made structural changes in the article in that direction. Ekwos ( talk) 19:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to this, so forgive any breaches in protocol. Growing up in a very vibrant suburb of Wynberg, Cape Town, South Africa, we had many Muslim 'people of colour' living among us (mostly white folk), even during the apartheid era. I've heard something very similar to the above quote a number of times: "The gift honours the giver", and was wondering if there was anyone out there who might know of a similar quotation and whether it comes from the Quran, or some other Arabic source document or whether it's simply a saying that got passed down through the generations. I no longer live in the area, and so my contact with my Muslim brethren is much curtailed, but this has revived an interest in looking further into the matter. Thank you. Galen777 ( talk) 13:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
The non-canon Dune Encyclopedia (1984) by Willis E. McNelly should be removed as non-canon. There are errors that are not consistent with the book. Much of the Bible was replaced due to unpopularity in the vast length of the Bible, and the near destruction of the human race due to events leading up to the Butlerian Jihad. Thou shalt not disfigure the soul is a reference to Serena Butler, not the OCB. Ncsr11 ( talk) 22:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed this section of the article about the etymology of the name. It's not sourced and in contradiction with the remainder of the article (and scholar sources) giving bouddhism as source for the orange adjective. -- Dereckson ( talk) 14:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Unsourced original text:
The name "Orange Catholic" was created by Frank Herbert as a combination of the symbolic colour of Northern Irish Protestantism with Catholicism. As such it alludes to the union of what have been called "salvation by faith" ( Protestantism) and "salvation by works" ( Catholicism) into a single tradition. As a result it is in keeping with the variety of other religious amalgams alluded to in the Dune series (such as the above-mentioned "Buddislamic" traditions), as well as the universalist nature of the sources listed above.
The following sources could suggest a protestant etymology:
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Why do you keep reverting from the correct spelling of the word Bahá'í. There are accent's and an aposrophe in the correct spelling. Also the correct name of the religion is Bahá'í Faith. -- Jeff3000 03:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I've re-deleted the list of identifications. These section said themselves, that they are speculative and non-canonical. If there is a part which can be saved, please state explicit references within the novels. -- Pjacobi 12:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The names of all the books of the OCB and all the faiths which are responsible for it are all straight out of The Dune Encyclopedia and the various books of the Dune series. If you have a problem with the identifications, which are not canonical, please go through those sections line by line and delete those rather than slashing out all the canonical information with them. Hiergargo 14:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone says that that the chapter references from Hebrew bible may not hold true for OCB. I would argue that this is a none sequiter. This part of the article says where the quotes came from and what they were based on. In this context accurate chapters and verses should be fully acceptable as they do not refer to the OCB.
The chapter references that are given are ones taken from the Dune series, not ones referring back to where the source materials for the OCB came from. Adding references back to the original source material would therefore be confusing. If one wanted to make reference back to the original source material, one should make it clear that the chapter and verse references are those of the Hebrew Bible/New Testament/Qur’an/etc. and not those of the OCB.
I can see your point. It is useful however to point to the source material of quotes where possible, things like "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" are taken directly from Exodus. Perhaps simply a (derived from: (book/verse) format would be acceptable? Lostsocks 17:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I could go for that. Hiergargo 21:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Is an unofficial (e.g., non-author) blog acceptable as an external link?
Per item #11 of Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided:
(I marked removal of this from the article as a minor edit by mistake.) -- SandChigger 17:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the original links to Buddhism and (Sunni) Islam from this word a while back because
Is there an article on Dune religions? If not, why don't we create one and link these terms in Dune articles to it? Links to the real/original religions can go from there.
What think ye? -- SandChigger 06:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
How is the site The Orange Catholic Bible Wiki relevant to this article?
The Orange Catholic Bible is a fictitious work. The website in question is concerned only with an attempt by fans to create an actual text:
It is therefore fanfic and non-authoritative. Please discuss before re-adding the link. -- SandChigger 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Listing the Decalogue as a reference for the "Thou shalt not make a machine..." injunction seems to be another example of the extreme dimness that seems to be seeping in around here. Any reason to keep it? -- SandChigger ( talk) 08:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Could there be an explanation ? Hektor ( talk) 22:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It isn't a real book, so the article shouldn't be written like it is. It is a literary device that exists in 3 basic sets of sources: (1) the original Dune series, (2) the new Dune books, (3) the Dune encyclopedia. These different takes on the OCB should be laid out and considered separately instead of integrating them to make some sort of overall OCB article like they are really talking about the same thing. I've made structural changes in the article in that direction. Ekwos ( talk) 19:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to this, so forgive any breaches in protocol. Growing up in a very vibrant suburb of Wynberg, Cape Town, South Africa, we had many Muslim 'people of colour' living among us (mostly white folk), even during the apartheid era. I've heard something very similar to the above quote a number of times: "The gift honours the giver", and was wondering if there was anyone out there who might know of a similar quotation and whether it comes from the Quran, or some other Arabic source document or whether it's simply a saying that got passed down through the generations. I no longer live in the area, and so my contact with my Muslim brethren is much curtailed, but this has revived an interest in looking further into the matter. Thank you. Galen777 ( talk) 13:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
The non-canon Dune Encyclopedia (1984) by Willis E. McNelly should be removed as non-canon. There are errors that are not consistent with the book. Much of the Bible was replaced due to unpopularity in the vast length of the Bible, and the near destruction of the human race due to events leading up to the Butlerian Jihad. Thou shalt not disfigure the soul is a reference to Serena Butler, not the OCB. Ncsr11 ( talk) 22:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed this section of the article about the etymology of the name. It's not sourced and in contradiction with the remainder of the article (and scholar sources) giving bouddhism as source for the orange adjective. -- Dereckson ( talk) 14:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Unsourced original text:
The name "Orange Catholic" was created by Frank Herbert as a combination of the symbolic colour of Northern Irish Protestantism with Catholicism. As such it alludes to the union of what have been called "salvation by faith" ( Protestantism) and "salvation by works" ( Catholicism) into a single tradition. As a result it is in keeping with the variety of other religious amalgams alluded to in the Dune series (such as the above-mentioned "Buddislamic" traditions), as well as the universalist nature of the sources listed above.
The following sources could suggest a protestant etymology: