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In the article it states that "The New England Journal of Medicine study concluded that people who had one to five oral-sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk.[12][13]"
This is useless without information about the risk of throat cancer to those who never engaged in oral sex. A change in cancer prevalence from .001% of the population to .002% would fit this description, as would a change from 30% to 60%, yet these are very different situations.
I know that the main stream media often reports statistics in this useless way. However, we can do better.
"Not only are the sexual organs sensitive and well supplied with nerve endings, the same is true of the mouth, tongue and lips, so enjoyment of oral sex is not always limited to the person on the receiving end.[citation needed]"
Does this really need a citation? I don't think so...
Mrestko
19:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Citations are not necessary to substantiate commonly-known fact. That the lips and tongue are erogenous zones is no secret. -- 207.224.56.47 16:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would have to disagree that the subject is commonly-known. It can be argued that 1 million people in the world (children included) have not experienced giving or receiving oral sex. Even if the page author were an expert on oral sex sensation and it's mutual enjoyment a citation would be required. If I were to say that California is a state within the United States of America and that this fact is common knowledge an argument could be made that an entire town in VietNam would be ignorant of that fact. At what point do we as editors assume the reader has knowledge of the fact prior to arrival to the page? This is a place where one can learn information on a subject that is unfamiliar. The only way we can provide credible information on a subject, especially one with medical and psychological implication, expert citation is required. If one were to argue that it is common knowledge that oral-sex is pleasurable to giver and receiver, I would submit that the reverse is true. I would say that it is common knowledge among many married adults (or adults with the experience of long-term sexual relationships) that oral sex is discontinued over time for that very reason. But I'm not an expert. The author of the sentance is likely not an expert. An expert opinion on this matter of fact is required in order to make the assertion. I pose that the author is promoting oral-sex, and is using that sentence to that end. DarthAlbin ( talk) 16:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has no interest in censorship. When you're viewing an article related to, say, sexual behavior, then you're doing so at your own discretion -- the content found therein won't always be agreeable to every person viewing it. As much, I think it's fair to expect that anyone who ventures into articles such as this should already be educated enough about sexual matters in a way which prevents these situations from seeming gross or awkward. Human sexuality is simply... human sexuality. If you're not willing to be exposed to it, then good luck dealing with the rest of this society.
However, I want to say that I agree that the image seems inaccurate. Most people don't associate oral sex this way, and using the homosexual image would seem to attribute oral sex to homosexuality. So, I think that if we want to be perfectly fair in representing everybody, we should have four seperate images (or one larger image with comparible depictions) depicting male-female, female-male, male-male, and female-female positions. (in any given order, I suppose) Maybe this would prevent any issues in the future. Grendel 00:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
To be honest your posts clearly show bias, I think its something we need to work around in order to achieve progress here as there has clearly been a lengthy and heated debate on the subject matter. I apologise if its not intentional but none the less it is there right from the second post of this question. I am entirely objective but thats because I accept areas that I may be biased in and try to avoid anything which may favour my personal bias. For example I have suggested removing any clearly identifiable gender from the person giving oral sex in each of the three pictures. That way both sides are satisfied and we have both avoided areas of potential personal bias and conflicts of interest. I suggest reading up on [ [1]] and being sure that you aren't applying it here. I don't mean to make anything personal of course, but the NPOV and Bias issues were facing are simply preventing a speedy solution to the original question which was why are all the pictures of homosexuals and that this paints a dispropotionate and misleading idea of oral sex to potential unknowledgeable children/individuals seeking this page for assistance.
Additionally I don't have to answer the question "whats wrong with two men having oral sex in a picture" because that question is not relevant to this discussion. I have not said anything is wrong with it in principle, and it does seem to be the moral principles your trying to get at. All thats being said is that this paints a hugely dispropotionate view that only homosexuals have oral sex. Now we all know thats not the case but you need to be objective here in consdiering the people most likely to come to this page are children with little or no prior knowledge. You cannot seriously believe that having 3 pictures of homosexuals performing acts of oral sex is presenting a NPOV situation? If you do then your bias has gotten the better of you and thats something that needs resolution before you post here again. -- WikipedianProlific (Talk) 16:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes an error in reasoning has been made, partly my fault for my wording. apologies. What I meant was that at the end of the day its down to a person (be them child or otherwise) to come to a conclusion about their sexuality. Its not something that should be presented to them least of all by this project. Therefore I was suggesting that it is of the upmost importance that we observe clear NPOV policy here. Having 3 pictures of homosexuals performing acts of oral sex and none of heterosexuals is not NPOV. In these circumstances where multi viewpoints arise its best to try to represent either all of them or none of them. I'm saying because children are involved we should we should represent none of them in pictures and all of them in the article. by a) pointing out somewhere in the article that oral sex occurs between all manner of individuals of any sexual orientation. and b) we remvoe any trace of gender from the diagrams as it just isn't nessessary. Please check out the diagram opposite, I made it while we've been talking here in the last 30 minutes. Its pretty basic and not how I'd want the final piece to be exactly but its a rough example of how I could draw it without clear or obvious gender. I appreciate your feedback, hopefully if theres consensus i can go ahead and finish this and re-draw the other two for tomorrow or friday and then we can be done with this whole silly debate.-- WikipedianProlific (Talk) 17:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I have been following this conversation for a long time. I agree with my dear friend Catamorphism that it is silly to worry too much about the fact that the pictures are homosexual, it certainly doesn't bother me. However, there does seem to be strong support (perhaps even consensus) for having a mixture of images (gay, straight, black, white, etc), so I would like to express my support for finding suitable images that provide the diversity that so many editors seem to want. Interestingstuffadder 23:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'm a bigot but I question the motives of a gay guy "just happening" to provide 3 images depicting homosexual oral sex... Yes, we assume good faith but you undermine it when you blatantly push an agenda and then hide behind political correctness. 68.166.69.245 17:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Various responses:
If there is no objection in the coming days, I will replace the current felatio image for this one. Ok, my feedback. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that these pics are much better than the ones that were here before. They're more vivid and at least some show hetero oral, which is way more common than gay oral. Magister Erik the Rude 05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The old fellatio image either seems to have either reappeared here or I never removed it (I can't remember to be honest). But is there really a need for 2 images depciting in almost identical ways, the same thing. It also leaves a door open for the old issues about blatently homosexual images to resurface unessessarily. I would support removing the old black and white homosexual fellatio image from the article in favour of the one I created for the article depeciting an individual of none-specific gender administering fellatio. Its a safer option and shows exactly the same thing from effectivley the same angle. Also its more colourful, medical and less pornographic. WikipedianProlific (Talk) 15:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I was scanning this article and noticed this sentence:
The sentence drags out so much! I have a feeling the rest of the article could be much of the same. Whats to be done? T. Moitie 01:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
So of course, I have to stir up trouble again... I noticed this article today, and it looks like a split off of this page, but without much merit (as far as I can tell) with respect to asying anything truly different. I think merging and redirecting it here would be appropriate. -- nae' blis 15:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. It seems worth its own page, given (for instance) the number of cultural references. -- SEF23a 20:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a represenatation of beastiality (octopus on woman) on here? I'm all for inclusiveness but this seems a bit much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.90.35.185 ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a note to anyone watching the page. Some outfit selling enlargement pills is repeatedly spamming for them here. They have a number of different (reasonable-looking) URL's, and they lie in the edit summaries. Fan-1967 02:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, seeing that the majority is coming from anon users, adding semi-protection (non-permanent) is the best way to discourage this. I know there's more than enough people here to revert within minutes, but why not cut them off at the proverbial pass for a while. Rsm99833 03:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay protection has now been granted. Please ensure any removal of the protection is fully discussed. WikipedianProlific (Talk) 23:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently edited the Wiki article on Christian views on contraception and talked on the talk page abouyt my removing of material on that page about oral sex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christian_views_on_contraception#Orgasms_and_oral_sex and suggested it be integrated here. I think a heading Views of Religions would be beneficial. Some of the material currently under the Taboo heading should then be re-worked into the new section. I am prepared to begin and add material to the new section if given editing capability.—Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberAnth ( talk • contribs)
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"The pun "cunning linguist" is a play on "cunnilingus". In its whole form, the pun is often used with a second sexual pun in the following sentence: "You may be a cunning linguist, but I'm a master debater!" The second sexual pun being "master debater," a play on "masturbator." These puns can be found in the popular films Annie Hall, Tomorrow Never Dies, Austin Powers and the musical Cabaret."
Now what is the point of that chunk? Even if it does have a good reason for being there, the second to last sentence is a fragment, and is rather repetitive.
Secondly, I want to see a source for the fact that potato chips can cause microscopic cuts. I'm suspicious of that.
"It is also possible for the inside of the mouth to be bruised by the penis if oral sex is too rough, although this can be lessened if the person giving fellatio tilts his or her head back (as in looking up) instead of keeping the head level."
All I have to say is if that's a problem, someone's doing it wrong.:) Minidoxigirli 02:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This is a real photograph of a person performing oral sex. To see the image click on the microscopic icon or...
click on "oral sex" from commons, and with patience search until you come to the filename "Fellatio1.jpg"
YES, I ABSOUTELY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD GET AWAY FROM ILLUSTRATIVE DIAGRAMS AND DEPICTIONS OF VARIOUS HUMAN BEHAVIOUR, AND I THINK WE SHOULD INSTEAD USE PHOTOGRAPHS OF REAL HUMAN BEINGS E.G. ENGAGING IN ORAL SEX. SO I AM ALL FOR PHOTOGRAPHS.
I added a real photo for emphasis Conman56 ( talk) 18:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
example answers:
Any sort of other comments are also welcome user:Logictheo 04:10, 11 October 2006
There should be no problem with a photograph of someone performing oral sex, on the oral sex article. We are still working on guidelines for this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines.
From these guidelines, a work in progress, I would suggest:
Otherwise, find a photo you think applies well, and put it in. Atom 12:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Uh, sorry charlie, but you are mistaken. See the discussion on the guidelines page mentioned above.
You are correct that the images in Wikipedia are limited by the laws governing the state of Florida where the servers reside. The laws of Florida are limited by the first amendment to the constitution. In Florida, status 847 defines obscenity, and all laws regarding this are based on that obscenity definition. That definition is nearly a duplicate of the Miller Test, in Miller v. California. Also called SLAPS (Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. ) That is because Florida law can not be more restrictive than the supreme court ruling, without violating peoples first amendment rights. The florida law is less restrictive in that it duplicates the miller test, but then states that a mother breastfeeding is never obscene. (not mentioned in Miller v. California).
The State of Florida does not, and can not prohibit "actual photographic pictures of individuals is strictly agains the state law of flordia " as you put it. Please, if you don't have a clue, don't try to pretend you do. The State of Florida does prohibit "obscene" pictures in Wikipedia. That would be an article where the work does not, as a whole (including the photo of a sexual act), have any serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. An encylopedic entry on oral sex, with a photograph of oral sex would certainly be controversial, but not likely obscene in this context.
Atom 21:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Atom 01:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it will be good when 'Western society' has evolved to the level that no one is upset by explicit sexual imagery, but that time has not yet come. So, although it would be good to have that or other pictures on the article, you can be sure that enough people would be offended that it would be taken off shortly. Try again in next summer, I would say. Cheers -- Vranak 00:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
First, the bit about sexual fluids being absorbed into the mouth like alcohol at a wine tasting is ridiculous. These two procesess are completely different. Second, shouldn't this article include some discusion of the increasing role and acceptance of oral sex in western culture in recent years, especially since the Lewinski Affair?
To be best of my knowledge, sexual fluids can and are absorbed by the mouth and tongue during sexual intercourse. They are even absorbed by the lips and skin. Not in it's entirety, but certain... 'nutrients', shall we say, do indeed enter the body. In other words, a girl does not have to swallow in order to reap the benefit of ejaculate. Cheers -- Vranak 00:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the links describes the "health benefits of oral sex." It is my understanding that these claims have largely been debunked. See, e.g., snopes.com—Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt2h ( talk • contribs)
In the health benefits section, thanks whoever added the remark about possible confounding with overall frequency of sex. I have edited the paragraph to link this idea (possible confounding) with the remark about the absence to date of a randomised trial. I think two citations are needed: (i) for the confounding remark. The reference currently in place (on BBC news) cites anonymous "other doctors" as saying that people who have oral sex "probably" have more sex. (ii) It seems absurd to mention a need for randomized trials of oral sex without acknowledging that needed or not these are probably never going to happen: but I haven't found a good reference for this, and have had to use careful wording to get in a sort-of-right reference. Can anyone find either (i) a primary source for a correlation between oral sex and overall sexual activity or (ii) any reference for ethical and practical difficulties in randomized trials of specific sexual behaviours?-- Doctorcoy 16:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have been adding a "citation needed" tag to a sentence in the intro for at least half a year now, and each time I drop in, I find out that somebody has removed the tag and not the sentence. Now I am moving it to the talk page. Somebody should actually take pains to find a source for it. In case somebody wonders why I doubt it (you never know) - well, nerve endings are one thing, the sexual pleasurability associated with the genital area is another. Of course "enjoyment is not always limited to one party", but the reasons for that are hardly the immediate physiological stimulation.
"Not only are the sexual organs sensitive and well supplied with nerve endings, the same is true of the mouth/throat cavity, tongue, and lips, so enjoyment of oral sex is not necessarily limited to half of the involved party." '
(removed the following sentence as well, because it largely duplicates the info in the preceding paragraph). -- Anonymous44 10:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Islamic views on oral sex: In regards to the religious views on oral sex.
(B) Techniques of Foreplay:
As far as the methods of mutual stimulation in foreplay are concerned, the shari'ah allows the husband and the wife to see, kiss, touch, smell and stimulate any part of each other's body. Therefore, oral sex, as it is known in this part of the world is allowed. Imam Musa al-Kazim was once asked, "Can a person kiss his wife's vagina?" The Imam said, "No problem." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 77; for similar views of present mujtahids see al-'Urwah, p. 625) The only restriction is that no foreign object should be used. And this restriction is quite understandable: nothing can really substitute the things Allah has created in our bodies!
The restriction I am placing on the use of foreign objects is based on the following hadith. 'Ubaydullah bin Zurarah says that he had an old neighbor who owned a young slave-girl. Because of his old age, he could not fully satisfy the young slave-girl during sexual intercourse. She would therefore ask him to place his fingers in her vagina as she liked it. The old man complied with her wishes even though he did not like this idea. So he requested 'Ubaydullah to ask Imam ' Ali ar-Riza (a. s.) about it. When 'Ubaydullah asked the Imam about it, the Imam said, "There is no problem as long as he uses any part of his own body upon her, but he should not use any thing other than his body on her." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 77)
In an earlier discussion, we said that masturbation (i.e., self-stimulation of one's own sexual organ till emission of semen or orgasm) is not allowed. However, in the case of married persons, there is no problem if the wife stimulates her husband's penis till the emission of semen or the husband stimulates his wife's vagina till orgasm. (This issue has also been clearly mentioned by the late Ayatullah al-Khu'i in answer to some questions sent by an 'alim from London) This is allowed because it does not come under "self-stimulation;" it is stimulation by a lawful partner. The Qur'an clearly says that, "The believers are.. . those who protect their sexual organs except from their spouses." (23: 5-6) And stimulation of sexual organs by a lawful partner surely comes under the definition of protecting one's organ s "except from their spouses." - http://www.najaf.org/english/book/10/chap3b.htm#anchor541828 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.82.247 ( talk • contribs)
I would like to see an expansion of Klingon foreplay in this article. Even though it differs with the Islamic views of foreplay especially regarding the use of foreign objects and tools, the names of the people would be equally entertaining. Besides, when else can you say "Nuj parmaq tlhej wIj be' 'oH QaQ" and have it be relevant?
70.20.151.157
01:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Could very well be true, but sounds like personal experience (OR), or, more likely, a joke.
-- Anonymous44 17:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Earliest reference to this "technique" I'm aware of is from Sam Kinison on one of his earlier videos. Though I've heard it repeated as a useful strategy many a time. Zandlyman 04:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Zandyman
I heard about this technique once when I came across some website. They said it was a great way to stay in the closet if you're gay and have a girlfriend.
"One form of fellatio is known as deep throating, after the 1972 pornographic film Deep Throat. This technique involves repressing the gag reflex and taking the entire erect penis in the mouth, the shaft bending slightly to allow the head of the penis to slide partially down the throat of the fellatrix."
Fellatrix refers only to females. The second sentence has moved on from discussing the origins in Deep Throat to describe the technique of deep throating generally - so 'fellator' might be an improvement and more neutral. Michaelastirling 08:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I listed this page on WP:PROTECT since it appears that daily, disruptive vandalism is coming from unregistered, IP users. David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍) 16:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone has added the information, if there is an agent in semen that is protective against pre-eclampsia, it is transforming growth factor TGF-beta. Two things: is there a reference for this idea; and, should it be presented as a certainty (as in the current draft) or as a possibility? I have also seen serum hormone leutinizing agent (SHLA) suggested as a candidate for this role. -- Doctorcoy 16:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Ram2006 is fighting me to change the 69 image from one that shows a brown person and a white or maybe asian person to one which is identical except that both people are the same (light) color. I do not believe that we need all of our images to show white people, nor do I believe that couples should be of matching races in all images. We should have a mix which is appropriate for English speakers. Can I assume that most editors agree with me? -- Strait 00:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment: I found that the modified image (rather crudely modified, I'd say) was created by same editor changing this page. That user has a negative comment about on his/her talk page, Multiculturalism is a disaster and genocide. As the image was only linked to from this article, I tagged it with ac IsD (image for speedy deletion). David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍) 16:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not a "true" encyclopedia subject. If you look at any of the encyclopedias (both print and online), you will notice that this subject is not mentioned at all.
The admins and other enforcers have removed my innocent images of horses all because I hold copyright to them and I won't release into their hands nor the public domain. On this article, there are a TON of photos that should be up for deletion
How are these image even appropriate???? My images of horses get deleted because I hold the copyrights to them and they are totally legit pictures that are far from being an "x-rated" image.
Approval of these images and removal of mine .... I am lost for words. Children go on this site. The subject "oral sex" should not even be discussed here..... not to mention the "visual" effects that go with it. It's not far from porn. It's basically showing how to do it and what positions to use.
There is a law for this and I believe that Wikipedia has violated those laws. To make matters worse, this article gets a "Top" rating which means that "This article has been rated as top-importance on the importance scale." What does that mean??? Oral sex is now on the high priority for the list of things to do? Not only that, but this subject is "protected", meaning noboby can go in to make corrections without prior approval. Gee, I wonder why??? Is it because you may have the perverts coming around to vandalise it? Yes, I think so. And not only the pervs, but the folks who have their morals in tact would want the images removed immediately. So yeah, it is protected because they (the WikiAdmins) don't want an edit war and at the same time love the fact that this subject, along with the other items listed are on their site.
Either way, this content is offensive and children at any age should not have access to this subject period! It should not be freely accessable.-- Webmistress Diva 13:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed some text on the Latin origin. Some was wrong: fellatio is a noun (the act of sucking); the verb is fello. The other claimed word irrumare does not seem to be borne out by any Latin source I can find. The references I find all translate it as normal, not oral, sex. Fan-1967 23:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Check Catullus. I don't know your latin background, obviously, but he used irrumare, meaning to suckle, to imply fellatio of a forced nature.
The picture shows the lady performing the fellatio from the top, as if in 69, which does not easily allow stimulation of the frenulum with her tongue. Representative picture should show fellatio from the bottom. The importance of frenulum stimulation is also not mention in the "Technique" section. Kokot.kokotisko 16:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. There are two 69 pics. There should be a pic with "normal" fellatio.
203.144.160.248 has recently spun off cunnilingus to its own article. It had been a redirect for a long time. Fellatio is still a redirect back here. I personally think that both of these can be adequately covered on one page and that spreading them over three pages will just dilute the content. I don't feel terribly strongly about this, but in any case, there should be either be a page for both cunnilingus and fellatio or they should both be redirects. Comments? -- Strait 16:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The cunnilingus section states that "most women can achieve orgasm only through cunnilingus...." Let's see a source. The section then goes on to reference a scene from a movie. Since the page is apparently blocked from editing I wonder who had the authority to put this in the article. It seems silly to lock up the article when whoever still has access either refuses to improve the article or is doig damage to the article themselves.
I've heard this phrase used to refer to oral sex on women, too. Does this require a quote?
Also, should the Oral Sex page cover performing oral sex on a strap on dildo? This is covered in most lesbian sex manuals, but I'm not sure how it should be categorised. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.89.218 ( talk) 12:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
I really like this article, but i think it could use some photos in addition to the drawings and paintings. On Wikimedia Commons there is a good fellatio photograph in the Oral sex category that shows a detailed depiction of fellatio technique, but it restricted. could an admin possibly add it or give me the authority to do it? Herkelthebrave 06:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
hi! im bob sorry for koking around but i lov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.136.81.246 ( talk) 01:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
The slang terms show up in three separate lists in the article. It would be great if somebody (sorry, not me) would organize them into a single place. Matchups 03:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
No mention or pictures of animals?
http://www.imagespar.com/view.php?img=b162988886b5346a76ee170e431cd6c4
i agree 219.89.39.17 04:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Oral sex had been considered to be a taboo or at least frowned upon in many cultures and parts of the world. [1] Reasons mentioned are that this sexual act does not lead to procreation, or that is a humiliating and/or unclean practice (an opinion that is, at least in some cases, connected with the symbolism attached to different parts of the body). This has been more or less the case in Christian and Sub-Saharan African cultures, in Ancient Rome, and Ancient India. Similar lines of reasoning have been espoused by some modern religious authorities in Islamic cultures.
In pre-Christian Ancient Rome, sexual acts were generally seen through the prism of submission and control. This is apparent in the two Latin words for the act: irrumare (to penetrate orally), and fellare (to be penetrated orally) citation needed. Under this system, it was considered to be abhorrent for a male to perform fellatio, since that would mean that he was penetrated (controlled), whereas receiving fellatio from a woman or another man of lower social status (such as a slave or debtor) was not humiliating. The Romans regarded oral sex as being far more shameful than, for example, anal sex — known practitioners were supposed to have foul breath and were often unwelcome as guests at a dinner table. [2] The practice was taboo for public health reasons, as well. In Rome, the genitals were considered to be unclean. Oral sex was thought to make the mouth dirty, and (ultimately) to present a public health risk.
An editor removed this section arguing that "(this section is not supported by the sections and is in fact refuted at the "cultural" sections of Cunnilingus and Fellatio. see Talk.\)"
External links have been pared down, with the loss of quite a bit of information. What's in place now doesn't really add much more than what's in the article, whereas previously there were pointers to respectable "How-To" guides (some quite old). I've re-added some sites that don't contain advertising and conform to WP:EL. Comments welcome. Blimfark 08:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Are you serious? Who in the world told you that?-- Ioscius (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know anything of the history of oral sex, but i think this would be a great section. Were there oral sex in very ancient times? what about "exotic" (for us) cultures? User:Luizabpr —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:32, August 26, 2007 (UTC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hayez08.jpg
This image is hard to see at the size its displayed in the article. Is there a better usable image? Klosterdev 06:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a suggestion. Maybe there should be a link to Facial article. Thanks. 4.242.138.246 ( talk) 19:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
"some people have reservations about oral sex" Can this be either changed or rephrased with supporting citations? Liamfoley ( talk) 21:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
In the vagina article, it states that vagina is "self cleaning". How does oral sex then affect the vagina PH balance? Has anybody information about this and should it be mentioned here?
Utility > Variants
Is this really notable? PollyWaffler ( talk) 06:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
No, and the source that was provided didn't even actually detail what the expression meant, just that it was some "twisted" sexual activity. I couldn't even find the expression on Google so I removed the claim. -- Simon Speed ( talk) 12:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
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In the article it states that "The New England Journal of Medicine study concluded that people who had one to five oral-sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk.[12][13]"
This is useless without information about the risk of throat cancer to those who never engaged in oral sex. A change in cancer prevalence from .001% of the population to .002% would fit this description, as would a change from 30% to 60%, yet these are very different situations.
I know that the main stream media often reports statistics in this useless way. However, we can do better.
"Not only are the sexual organs sensitive and well supplied with nerve endings, the same is true of the mouth, tongue and lips, so enjoyment of oral sex is not always limited to the person on the receiving end.[citation needed]"
Does this really need a citation? I don't think so...
Mrestko
19:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Citations are not necessary to substantiate commonly-known fact. That the lips and tongue are erogenous zones is no secret. -- 207.224.56.47 16:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would have to disagree that the subject is commonly-known. It can be argued that 1 million people in the world (children included) have not experienced giving or receiving oral sex. Even if the page author were an expert on oral sex sensation and it's mutual enjoyment a citation would be required. If I were to say that California is a state within the United States of America and that this fact is common knowledge an argument could be made that an entire town in VietNam would be ignorant of that fact. At what point do we as editors assume the reader has knowledge of the fact prior to arrival to the page? This is a place where one can learn information on a subject that is unfamiliar. The only way we can provide credible information on a subject, especially one with medical and psychological implication, expert citation is required. If one were to argue that it is common knowledge that oral-sex is pleasurable to giver and receiver, I would submit that the reverse is true. I would say that it is common knowledge among many married adults (or adults with the experience of long-term sexual relationships) that oral sex is discontinued over time for that very reason. But I'm not an expert. The author of the sentance is likely not an expert. An expert opinion on this matter of fact is required in order to make the assertion. I pose that the author is promoting oral-sex, and is using that sentence to that end. DarthAlbin ( talk) 16:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has no interest in censorship. When you're viewing an article related to, say, sexual behavior, then you're doing so at your own discretion -- the content found therein won't always be agreeable to every person viewing it. As much, I think it's fair to expect that anyone who ventures into articles such as this should already be educated enough about sexual matters in a way which prevents these situations from seeming gross or awkward. Human sexuality is simply... human sexuality. If you're not willing to be exposed to it, then good luck dealing with the rest of this society.
However, I want to say that I agree that the image seems inaccurate. Most people don't associate oral sex this way, and using the homosexual image would seem to attribute oral sex to homosexuality. So, I think that if we want to be perfectly fair in representing everybody, we should have four seperate images (or one larger image with comparible depictions) depicting male-female, female-male, male-male, and female-female positions. (in any given order, I suppose) Maybe this would prevent any issues in the future. Grendel 00:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
To be honest your posts clearly show bias, I think its something we need to work around in order to achieve progress here as there has clearly been a lengthy and heated debate on the subject matter. I apologise if its not intentional but none the less it is there right from the second post of this question. I am entirely objective but thats because I accept areas that I may be biased in and try to avoid anything which may favour my personal bias. For example I have suggested removing any clearly identifiable gender from the person giving oral sex in each of the three pictures. That way both sides are satisfied and we have both avoided areas of potential personal bias and conflicts of interest. I suggest reading up on [ [1]] and being sure that you aren't applying it here. I don't mean to make anything personal of course, but the NPOV and Bias issues were facing are simply preventing a speedy solution to the original question which was why are all the pictures of homosexuals and that this paints a dispropotionate and misleading idea of oral sex to potential unknowledgeable children/individuals seeking this page for assistance.
Additionally I don't have to answer the question "whats wrong with two men having oral sex in a picture" because that question is not relevant to this discussion. I have not said anything is wrong with it in principle, and it does seem to be the moral principles your trying to get at. All thats being said is that this paints a hugely dispropotionate view that only homosexuals have oral sex. Now we all know thats not the case but you need to be objective here in consdiering the people most likely to come to this page are children with little or no prior knowledge. You cannot seriously believe that having 3 pictures of homosexuals performing acts of oral sex is presenting a NPOV situation? If you do then your bias has gotten the better of you and thats something that needs resolution before you post here again. -- WikipedianProlific (Talk) 16:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes an error in reasoning has been made, partly my fault for my wording. apologies. What I meant was that at the end of the day its down to a person (be them child or otherwise) to come to a conclusion about their sexuality. Its not something that should be presented to them least of all by this project. Therefore I was suggesting that it is of the upmost importance that we observe clear NPOV policy here. Having 3 pictures of homosexuals performing acts of oral sex and none of heterosexuals is not NPOV. In these circumstances where multi viewpoints arise its best to try to represent either all of them or none of them. I'm saying because children are involved we should we should represent none of them in pictures and all of them in the article. by a) pointing out somewhere in the article that oral sex occurs between all manner of individuals of any sexual orientation. and b) we remvoe any trace of gender from the diagrams as it just isn't nessessary. Please check out the diagram opposite, I made it while we've been talking here in the last 30 minutes. Its pretty basic and not how I'd want the final piece to be exactly but its a rough example of how I could draw it without clear or obvious gender. I appreciate your feedback, hopefully if theres consensus i can go ahead and finish this and re-draw the other two for tomorrow or friday and then we can be done with this whole silly debate.-- WikipedianProlific (Talk) 17:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I have been following this conversation for a long time. I agree with my dear friend Catamorphism that it is silly to worry too much about the fact that the pictures are homosexual, it certainly doesn't bother me. However, there does seem to be strong support (perhaps even consensus) for having a mixture of images (gay, straight, black, white, etc), so I would like to express my support for finding suitable images that provide the diversity that so many editors seem to want. Interestingstuffadder 23:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'm a bigot but I question the motives of a gay guy "just happening" to provide 3 images depicting homosexual oral sex... Yes, we assume good faith but you undermine it when you blatantly push an agenda and then hide behind political correctness. 68.166.69.245 17:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Various responses:
If there is no objection in the coming days, I will replace the current felatio image for this one. Ok, my feedback. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that these pics are much better than the ones that were here before. They're more vivid and at least some show hetero oral, which is way more common than gay oral. Magister Erik the Rude 05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The old fellatio image either seems to have either reappeared here or I never removed it (I can't remember to be honest). But is there really a need for 2 images depciting in almost identical ways, the same thing. It also leaves a door open for the old issues about blatently homosexual images to resurface unessessarily. I would support removing the old black and white homosexual fellatio image from the article in favour of the one I created for the article depeciting an individual of none-specific gender administering fellatio. Its a safer option and shows exactly the same thing from effectivley the same angle. Also its more colourful, medical and less pornographic. WikipedianProlific (Talk) 15:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I was scanning this article and noticed this sentence:
The sentence drags out so much! I have a feeling the rest of the article could be much of the same. Whats to be done? T. Moitie 01:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
So of course, I have to stir up trouble again... I noticed this article today, and it looks like a split off of this page, but without much merit (as far as I can tell) with respect to asying anything truly different. I think merging and redirecting it here would be appropriate. -- nae' blis 15:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. It seems worth its own page, given (for instance) the number of cultural references. -- SEF23a 20:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a represenatation of beastiality (octopus on woman) on here? I'm all for inclusiveness but this seems a bit much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.90.35.185 ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a note to anyone watching the page. Some outfit selling enlargement pills is repeatedly spamming for them here. They have a number of different (reasonable-looking) URL's, and they lie in the edit summaries. Fan-1967 02:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, seeing that the majority is coming from anon users, adding semi-protection (non-permanent) is the best way to discourage this. I know there's more than enough people here to revert within minutes, but why not cut them off at the proverbial pass for a while. Rsm99833 03:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay protection has now been granted. Please ensure any removal of the protection is fully discussed. WikipedianProlific (Talk) 23:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently edited the Wiki article on Christian views on contraception and talked on the talk page abouyt my removing of material on that page about oral sex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christian_views_on_contraception#Orgasms_and_oral_sex and suggested it be integrated here. I think a heading Views of Religions would be beneficial. Some of the material currently under the Taboo heading should then be re-worked into the new section. I am prepared to begin and add material to the new section if given editing capability.—Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberAnth ( talk • contribs)
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"The pun "cunning linguist" is a play on "cunnilingus". In its whole form, the pun is often used with a second sexual pun in the following sentence: "You may be a cunning linguist, but I'm a master debater!" The second sexual pun being "master debater," a play on "masturbator." These puns can be found in the popular films Annie Hall, Tomorrow Never Dies, Austin Powers and the musical Cabaret."
Now what is the point of that chunk? Even if it does have a good reason for being there, the second to last sentence is a fragment, and is rather repetitive.
Secondly, I want to see a source for the fact that potato chips can cause microscopic cuts. I'm suspicious of that.
"It is also possible for the inside of the mouth to be bruised by the penis if oral sex is too rough, although this can be lessened if the person giving fellatio tilts his or her head back (as in looking up) instead of keeping the head level."
All I have to say is if that's a problem, someone's doing it wrong.:) Minidoxigirli 02:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This is a real photograph of a person performing oral sex. To see the image click on the microscopic icon or...
click on "oral sex" from commons, and with patience search until you come to the filename "Fellatio1.jpg"
YES, I ABSOUTELY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD GET AWAY FROM ILLUSTRATIVE DIAGRAMS AND DEPICTIONS OF VARIOUS HUMAN BEHAVIOUR, AND I THINK WE SHOULD INSTEAD USE PHOTOGRAPHS OF REAL HUMAN BEINGS E.G. ENGAGING IN ORAL SEX. SO I AM ALL FOR PHOTOGRAPHS.
I added a real photo for emphasis Conman56 ( talk) 18:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
example answers:
Any sort of other comments are also welcome user:Logictheo 04:10, 11 October 2006
There should be no problem with a photograph of someone performing oral sex, on the oral sex article. We are still working on guidelines for this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines.
From these guidelines, a work in progress, I would suggest:
Otherwise, find a photo you think applies well, and put it in. Atom 12:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Uh, sorry charlie, but you are mistaken. See the discussion on the guidelines page mentioned above.
You are correct that the images in Wikipedia are limited by the laws governing the state of Florida where the servers reside. The laws of Florida are limited by the first amendment to the constitution. In Florida, status 847 defines obscenity, and all laws regarding this are based on that obscenity definition. That definition is nearly a duplicate of the Miller Test, in Miller v. California. Also called SLAPS (Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. ) That is because Florida law can not be more restrictive than the supreme court ruling, without violating peoples first amendment rights. The florida law is less restrictive in that it duplicates the miller test, but then states that a mother breastfeeding is never obscene. (not mentioned in Miller v. California).
The State of Florida does not, and can not prohibit "actual photographic pictures of individuals is strictly agains the state law of flordia " as you put it. Please, if you don't have a clue, don't try to pretend you do. The State of Florida does prohibit "obscene" pictures in Wikipedia. That would be an article where the work does not, as a whole (including the photo of a sexual act), have any serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. An encylopedic entry on oral sex, with a photograph of oral sex would certainly be controversial, but not likely obscene in this context.
Atom 21:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Atom 01:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it will be good when 'Western society' has evolved to the level that no one is upset by explicit sexual imagery, but that time has not yet come. So, although it would be good to have that or other pictures on the article, you can be sure that enough people would be offended that it would be taken off shortly. Try again in next summer, I would say. Cheers -- Vranak 00:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
First, the bit about sexual fluids being absorbed into the mouth like alcohol at a wine tasting is ridiculous. These two procesess are completely different. Second, shouldn't this article include some discusion of the increasing role and acceptance of oral sex in western culture in recent years, especially since the Lewinski Affair?
To be best of my knowledge, sexual fluids can and are absorbed by the mouth and tongue during sexual intercourse. They are even absorbed by the lips and skin. Not in it's entirety, but certain... 'nutrients', shall we say, do indeed enter the body. In other words, a girl does not have to swallow in order to reap the benefit of ejaculate. Cheers -- Vranak 00:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the links describes the "health benefits of oral sex." It is my understanding that these claims have largely been debunked. See, e.g., snopes.com—Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt2h ( talk • contribs)
In the health benefits section, thanks whoever added the remark about possible confounding with overall frequency of sex. I have edited the paragraph to link this idea (possible confounding) with the remark about the absence to date of a randomised trial. I think two citations are needed: (i) for the confounding remark. The reference currently in place (on BBC news) cites anonymous "other doctors" as saying that people who have oral sex "probably" have more sex. (ii) It seems absurd to mention a need for randomized trials of oral sex without acknowledging that needed or not these are probably never going to happen: but I haven't found a good reference for this, and have had to use careful wording to get in a sort-of-right reference. Can anyone find either (i) a primary source for a correlation between oral sex and overall sexual activity or (ii) any reference for ethical and practical difficulties in randomized trials of specific sexual behaviours?-- Doctorcoy 16:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have been adding a "citation needed" tag to a sentence in the intro for at least half a year now, and each time I drop in, I find out that somebody has removed the tag and not the sentence. Now I am moving it to the talk page. Somebody should actually take pains to find a source for it. In case somebody wonders why I doubt it (you never know) - well, nerve endings are one thing, the sexual pleasurability associated with the genital area is another. Of course "enjoyment is not always limited to one party", but the reasons for that are hardly the immediate physiological stimulation.
"Not only are the sexual organs sensitive and well supplied with nerve endings, the same is true of the mouth/throat cavity, tongue, and lips, so enjoyment of oral sex is not necessarily limited to half of the involved party." '
(removed the following sentence as well, because it largely duplicates the info in the preceding paragraph). -- Anonymous44 10:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Islamic views on oral sex: In regards to the religious views on oral sex.
(B) Techniques of Foreplay:
As far as the methods of mutual stimulation in foreplay are concerned, the shari'ah allows the husband and the wife to see, kiss, touch, smell and stimulate any part of each other's body. Therefore, oral sex, as it is known in this part of the world is allowed. Imam Musa al-Kazim was once asked, "Can a person kiss his wife's vagina?" The Imam said, "No problem." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 77; for similar views of present mujtahids see al-'Urwah, p. 625) The only restriction is that no foreign object should be used. And this restriction is quite understandable: nothing can really substitute the things Allah has created in our bodies!
The restriction I am placing on the use of foreign objects is based on the following hadith. 'Ubaydullah bin Zurarah says that he had an old neighbor who owned a young slave-girl. Because of his old age, he could not fully satisfy the young slave-girl during sexual intercourse. She would therefore ask him to place his fingers in her vagina as she liked it. The old man complied with her wishes even though he did not like this idea. So he requested 'Ubaydullah to ask Imam ' Ali ar-Riza (a. s.) about it. When 'Ubaydullah asked the Imam about it, the Imam said, "There is no problem as long as he uses any part of his own body upon her, but he should not use any thing other than his body on her." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 77)
In an earlier discussion, we said that masturbation (i.e., self-stimulation of one's own sexual organ till emission of semen or orgasm) is not allowed. However, in the case of married persons, there is no problem if the wife stimulates her husband's penis till the emission of semen or the husband stimulates his wife's vagina till orgasm. (This issue has also been clearly mentioned by the late Ayatullah al-Khu'i in answer to some questions sent by an 'alim from London) This is allowed because it does not come under "self-stimulation;" it is stimulation by a lawful partner. The Qur'an clearly says that, "The believers are.. . those who protect their sexual organs except from their spouses." (23: 5-6) And stimulation of sexual organs by a lawful partner surely comes under the definition of protecting one's organ s "except from their spouses." - http://www.najaf.org/english/book/10/chap3b.htm#anchor541828 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.82.247 ( talk • contribs)
I would like to see an expansion of Klingon foreplay in this article. Even though it differs with the Islamic views of foreplay especially regarding the use of foreign objects and tools, the names of the people would be equally entertaining. Besides, when else can you say "Nuj parmaq tlhej wIj be' 'oH QaQ" and have it be relevant?
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01:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Could very well be true, but sounds like personal experience (OR), or, more likely, a joke.
-- Anonymous44 17:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Earliest reference to this "technique" I'm aware of is from Sam Kinison on one of his earlier videos. Though I've heard it repeated as a useful strategy many a time. Zandlyman 04:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Zandyman
I heard about this technique once when I came across some website. They said it was a great way to stay in the closet if you're gay and have a girlfriend.
"One form of fellatio is known as deep throating, after the 1972 pornographic film Deep Throat. This technique involves repressing the gag reflex and taking the entire erect penis in the mouth, the shaft bending slightly to allow the head of the penis to slide partially down the throat of the fellatrix."
Fellatrix refers only to females. The second sentence has moved on from discussing the origins in Deep Throat to describe the technique of deep throating generally - so 'fellator' might be an improvement and more neutral. Michaelastirling 08:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I listed this page on WP:PROTECT since it appears that daily, disruptive vandalism is coming from unregistered, IP users. David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍) 16:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone has added the information, if there is an agent in semen that is protective against pre-eclampsia, it is transforming growth factor TGF-beta. Two things: is there a reference for this idea; and, should it be presented as a certainty (as in the current draft) or as a possibility? I have also seen serum hormone leutinizing agent (SHLA) suggested as a candidate for this role. -- Doctorcoy 16:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Ram2006 is fighting me to change the 69 image from one that shows a brown person and a white or maybe asian person to one which is identical except that both people are the same (light) color. I do not believe that we need all of our images to show white people, nor do I believe that couples should be of matching races in all images. We should have a mix which is appropriate for English speakers. Can I assume that most editors agree with me? -- Strait 00:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment: I found that the modified image (rather crudely modified, I'd say) was created by same editor changing this page. That user has a negative comment about on his/her talk page, Multiculturalism is a disaster and genocide. As the image was only linked to from this article, I tagged it with ac IsD (image for speedy deletion). David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍) 16:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not a "true" encyclopedia subject. If you look at any of the encyclopedias (both print and online), you will notice that this subject is not mentioned at all.
The admins and other enforcers have removed my innocent images of horses all because I hold copyright to them and I won't release into their hands nor the public domain. On this article, there are a TON of photos that should be up for deletion
How are these image even appropriate???? My images of horses get deleted because I hold the copyrights to them and they are totally legit pictures that are far from being an "x-rated" image.
Approval of these images and removal of mine .... I am lost for words. Children go on this site. The subject "oral sex" should not even be discussed here..... not to mention the "visual" effects that go with it. It's not far from porn. It's basically showing how to do it and what positions to use.
There is a law for this and I believe that Wikipedia has violated those laws. To make matters worse, this article gets a "Top" rating which means that "This article has been rated as top-importance on the importance scale." What does that mean??? Oral sex is now on the high priority for the list of things to do? Not only that, but this subject is "protected", meaning noboby can go in to make corrections without prior approval. Gee, I wonder why??? Is it because you may have the perverts coming around to vandalise it? Yes, I think so. And not only the pervs, but the folks who have their morals in tact would want the images removed immediately. So yeah, it is protected because they (the WikiAdmins) don't want an edit war and at the same time love the fact that this subject, along with the other items listed are on their site.
Either way, this content is offensive and children at any age should not have access to this subject period! It should not be freely accessable.-- Webmistress Diva 13:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed some text on the Latin origin. Some was wrong: fellatio is a noun (the act of sucking); the verb is fello. The other claimed word irrumare does not seem to be borne out by any Latin source I can find. The references I find all translate it as normal, not oral, sex. Fan-1967 23:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Check Catullus. I don't know your latin background, obviously, but he used irrumare, meaning to suckle, to imply fellatio of a forced nature.
The picture shows the lady performing the fellatio from the top, as if in 69, which does not easily allow stimulation of the frenulum with her tongue. Representative picture should show fellatio from the bottom. The importance of frenulum stimulation is also not mention in the "Technique" section. Kokot.kokotisko 16:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. There are two 69 pics. There should be a pic with "normal" fellatio.
203.144.160.248 has recently spun off cunnilingus to its own article. It had been a redirect for a long time. Fellatio is still a redirect back here. I personally think that both of these can be adequately covered on one page and that spreading them over three pages will just dilute the content. I don't feel terribly strongly about this, but in any case, there should be either be a page for both cunnilingus and fellatio or they should both be redirects. Comments? -- Strait 16:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The cunnilingus section states that "most women can achieve orgasm only through cunnilingus...." Let's see a source. The section then goes on to reference a scene from a movie. Since the page is apparently blocked from editing I wonder who had the authority to put this in the article. It seems silly to lock up the article when whoever still has access either refuses to improve the article or is doig damage to the article themselves.
I've heard this phrase used to refer to oral sex on women, too. Does this require a quote?
Also, should the Oral Sex page cover performing oral sex on a strap on dildo? This is covered in most lesbian sex manuals, but I'm not sure how it should be categorised. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.89.218 ( talk) 12:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
I really like this article, but i think it could use some photos in addition to the drawings and paintings. On Wikimedia Commons there is a good fellatio photograph in the Oral sex category that shows a detailed depiction of fellatio technique, but it restricted. could an admin possibly add it or give me the authority to do it? Herkelthebrave 06:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
hi! im bob sorry for koking around but i lov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.136.81.246 ( talk) 01:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
The slang terms show up in three separate lists in the article. It would be great if somebody (sorry, not me) would organize them into a single place. Matchups 03:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
No mention or pictures of animals?
http://www.imagespar.com/view.php?img=b162988886b5346a76ee170e431cd6c4
i agree 219.89.39.17 04:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Oral sex had been considered to be a taboo or at least frowned upon in many cultures and parts of the world. [1] Reasons mentioned are that this sexual act does not lead to procreation, or that is a humiliating and/or unclean practice (an opinion that is, at least in some cases, connected with the symbolism attached to different parts of the body). This has been more or less the case in Christian and Sub-Saharan African cultures, in Ancient Rome, and Ancient India. Similar lines of reasoning have been espoused by some modern religious authorities in Islamic cultures.
In pre-Christian Ancient Rome, sexual acts were generally seen through the prism of submission and control. This is apparent in the two Latin words for the act: irrumare (to penetrate orally), and fellare (to be penetrated orally) citation needed. Under this system, it was considered to be abhorrent for a male to perform fellatio, since that would mean that he was penetrated (controlled), whereas receiving fellatio from a woman or another man of lower social status (such as a slave or debtor) was not humiliating. The Romans regarded oral sex as being far more shameful than, for example, anal sex — known practitioners were supposed to have foul breath and were often unwelcome as guests at a dinner table. [2] The practice was taboo for public health reasons, as well. In Rome, the genitals were considered to be unclean. Oral sex was thought to make the mouth dirty, and (ultimately) to present a public health risk.
An editor removed this section arguing that "(this section is not supported by the sections and is in fact refuted at the "cultural" sections of Cunnilingus and Fellatio. see Talk.\)"
External links have been pared down, with the loss of quite a bit of information. What's in place now doesn't really add much more than what's in the article, whereas previously there were pointers to respectable "How-To" guides (some quite old). I've re-added some sites that don't contain advertising and conform to WP:EL. Comments welcome. Blimfark 08:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Are you serious? Who in the world told you that?-- Ioscius (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know anything of the history of oral sex, but i think this would be a great section. Were there oral sex in very ancient times? what about "exotic" (for us) cultures? User:Luizabpr —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:32, August 26, 2007 (UTC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hayez08.jpg
This image is hard to see at the size its displayed in the article. Is there a better usable image? Klosterdev 06:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a suggestion. Maybe there should be a link to Facial article. Thanks. 4.242.138.246 ( talk) 19:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
"some people have reservations about oral sex" Can this be either changed or rephrased with supporting citations? Liamfoley ( talk) 21:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
In the vagina article, it states that vagina is "self cleaning". How does oral sex then affect the vagina PH balance? Has anybody information about this and should it be mentioned here?
Utility > Variants
Is this really notable? PollyWaffler ( talk) 06:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
No, and the source that was provided didn't even actually detail what the expression meant, just that it was some "twisted" sexual activity. I couldn't even find the expression on Google so I removed the claim. -- Simon Speed ( talk) 12:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
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