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Many of the items listed in this navbox are not really items included in an either an oral pathology text book or a dental school oral pathology course. Oral pathologists would not be concern themselves with many of the things listed here, and the things that they would concern themselves with, such as squamous cell carcinoma, aneurysmal bone cysts and lichen planus are overtly absent. Let me know what you think about shifting the quality of this box to a more precise and structured coverage of actual oral pathology. DRosenbach ( Talk | Contribs) 20:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the copyvio is now addressed. I've changed the title to "Stomatognathic disease" to support NIH terminology, but if you would like to change it to ADA terminology, I have no objection. -- Arcadian ( talk) 03:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a poor choice imo. The specialty of oral pathology is surely notable enough for its own page. After all, the other specialties do not redirect like this... lesion ( talk) 23:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The lead states "mouth disease refers to the diseases of the mouth ("stoma") and jaw [1] ("gnath")." Would it not be more accurate to say "mouth disease refers to diseases of the mouth"? The 2 main issues here are the name of the page, which is directly generated from the intended scope of the article.
If it is going to be about mainly diseases occurring in the mouth, suggest "oral pathology", "mouth disease", disorder or other similar variations.
If it is going to be about diseases of the mouth, jaws and face, suggest "oral and maxillofacial pathology", "orofacial disease" "stomatognathic disorder" and similar variations.
If it is going to be about the speciality which deals with the histopathologic diagnosis of biopsied lesions taken from the mouth, in my country this is a subspeciality of dentistry termed "oral pathology" or less commonly "oral and maxillofacial pathology". Likely varies around the world. As far as I am aware, there is no wikipedia article so far about this specialty so it would be good to have some content about it.
When restructuring this article, it would be good to list the most common reasons for people to visit a dentist, viz. dental decay, gum disease and bad breath in that order of prevalence. Lesion ( talk) 09:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Seems to be a stub duplicating info on the above page. Lesion ( talk) 23:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Thoughts? Lesion ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I am not happy with the consensus that is developing here. I feel I am not explaining myself efficiently and this is my fault, but also that the lead of these articles is so poor that it is misleading people in their judgement.
@ Novangelis: Yes it should imo as it again is duplication in scope with this page. Thanks for highlighting that. Traditionally ENT and maxillofacial surgery would have been much closer, with OMF being less prominent, but nowadays the opposite tends to be true. This is the "go-to" book for the specialty: [1]. After reading this book, it will hopefully be clear that the term "head and neck pathology" (when used by oral and maxillofacial types) does not include all pathology that occurs in the head and neck. Some, but not all, ENT pathology is implied by this term, but mostly because they also involve the mouth. Pathology of the spine and brain is not implied by the term, and there is less amphasis on the craniofacial region. Lesion ( talk) 13:00, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
@ LT910001: Thank you for suggestion, but I believe that wikiproject is inactive. I personally think it is better to merge tooth disease here since in the real world the same pathologist deals with those samples as would non-tooth and gum related pathoses of the oral and maxillofacial region like squamous cell carcinoma. Based on LT's suggestion how about we sort this mess into:
Late to the mix, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. There's 2 questions here, what is the scope of the article and what is the name of the article. I don't think we should approach these questions based on how a layperson would search the encyclopedia rather than how we think of it academically. Rather than oral & maxillofacial pathology (which is what many textbooks are named) a layperson will look for disease of the face, mouth and throat (which is what most textbooks cover and how we currently categorize articles). My suggestion would be to name the article based on layperson terminology (Diseases of the face, mouth and neck) and create it as a list (as it currently is) then develop smaller articles for each topic or point to the relevant subject based on etiology or anatomic location (both of which get used). I agree with merging the other articles. Bigger question, is there any significant use to this article? Doesn't the list of ICD codes save the same purpose? Ian Furst ( talk) 20:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I have organized these series of articles as follows: Lesion ( talk) 15:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Parent article:
Sub-articles:
I've had a quick look at the info box and it says Oral & Maxillofacial falls under the "speciality" of "gastroenterology". I'd assume the speciality is neuromuscular or oral medicine, I'm pretty certain than it's nothing to do with the digestive system though. I understand that under ICD10 it may fall under this section, but it just doesn't sound right to me. Arkhangelsk185 ( talk) 11:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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Many of the items listed in this navbox are not really items included in an either an oral pathology text book or a dental school oral pathology course. Oral pathologists would not be concern themselves with many of the things listed here, and the things that they would concern themselves with, such as squamous cell carcinoma, aneurysmal bone cysts and lichen planus are overtly absent. Let me know what you think about shifting the quality of this box to a more precise and structured coverage of actual oral pathology. DRosenbach ( Talk | Contribs) 20:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the copyvio is now addressed. I've changed the title to "Stomatognathic disease" to support NIH terminology, but if you would like to change it to ADA terminology, I have no objection. -- Arcadian ( talk) 03:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a poor choice imo. The specialty of oral pathology is surely notable enough for its own page. After all, the other specialties do not redirect like this... lesion ( talk) 23:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The lead states "mouth disease refers to the diseases of the mouth ("stoma") and jaw [1] ("gnath")." Would it not be more accurate to say "mouth disease refers to diseases of the mouth"? The 2 main issues here are the name of the page, which is directly generated from the intended scope of the article.
If it is going to be about mainly diseases occurring in the mouth, suggest "oral pathology", "mouth disease", disorder or other similar variations.
If it is going to be about diseases of the mouth, jaws and face, suggest "oral and maxillofacial pathology", "orofacial disease" "stomatognathic disorder" and similar variations.
If it is going to be about the speciality which deals with the histopathologic diagnosis of biopsied lesions taken from the mouth, in my country this is a subspeciality of dentistry termed "oral pathology" or less commonly "oral and maxillofacial pathology". Likely varies around the world. As far as I am aware, there is no wikipedia article so far about this specialty so it would be good to have some content about it.
When restructuring this article, it would be good to list the most common reasons for people to visit a dentist, viz. dental decay, gum disease and bad breath in that order of prevalence. Lesion ( talk) 09:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Seems to be a stub duplicating info on the above page. Lesion ( talk) 23:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Thoughts? Lesion ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I am not happy with the consensus that is developing here. I feel I am not explaining myself efficiently and this is my fault, but also that the lead of these articles is so poor that it is misleading people in their judgement.
@ Novangelis: Yes it should imo as it again is duplication in scope with this page. Thanks for highlighting that. Traditionally ENT and maxillofacial surgery would have been much closer, with OMF being less prominent, but nowadays the opposite tends to be true. This is the "go-to" book for the specialty: [1]. After reading this book, it will hopefully be clear that the term "head and neck pathology" (when used by oral and maxillofacial types) does not include all pathology that occurs in the head and neck. Some, but not all, ENT pathology is implied by this term, but mostly because they also involve the mouth. Pathology of the spine and brain is not implied by the term, and there is less amphasis on the craniofacial region. Lesion ( talk) 13:00, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
@ LT910001: Thank you for suggestion, but I believe that wikiproject is inactive. I personally think it is better to merge tooth disease here since in the real world the same pathologist deals with those samples as would non-tooth and gum related pathoses of the oral and maxillofacial region like squamous cell carcinoma. Based on LT's suggestion how about we sort this mess into:
Late to the mix, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. There's 2 questions here, what is the scope of the article and what is the name of the article. I don't think we should approach these questions based on how a layperson would search the encyclopedia rather than how we think of it academically. Rather than oral & maxillofacial pathology (which is what many textbooks are named) a layperson will look for disease of the face, mouth and throat (which is what most textbooks cover and how we currently categorize articles). My suggestion would be to name the article based on layperson terminology (Diseases of the face, mouth and neck) and create it as a list (as it currently is) then develop smaller articles for each topic or point to the relevant subject based on etiology or anatomic location (both of which get used). I agree with merging the other articles. Bigger question, is there any significant use to this article? Doesn't the list of ICD codes save the same purpose? Ian Furst ( talk) 20:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I have organized these series of articles as follows: Lesion ( talk) 15:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Parent article:
Sub-articles:
I've had a quick look at the info box and it says Oral & Maxillofacial falls under the "speciality" of "gastroenterology". I'd assume the speciality is neuromuscular or oral medicine, I'm pretty certain than it's nothing to do with the digestive system though. I understand that under ICD10 it may fall under this section, but it just doesn't sound right to me. Arkhangelsk185 ( talk) 11:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)