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Course of Freedom, Ean and Niki have appeared in the latest polls after the ban on National Party – Greeks. Their percentages are around 1,5%, but I think they could be added on the list as the sum of these figures show consistency with the banned party's. Please tell me what you think. Argybz ( Argybz) 16:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The list of parties polled is very large. I think some are unnecessary. Neither the Union of Centrists (listed as EK in the table), nor Recreate Greece (listed as DIXA in the table) have any members of Parliament and both haven't been included in any opinion polls for almost a year. I think if more than a year elapses and a party hasn't been included in any polls since and has no members of Parliament its reasonable that we remove them from the table. So, in summary if neither of these two parties are included in any polls by 20 November, I advocated we remove these two parties. Please leave your thoughts below. Helper201 ( talk) 18:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see my post above about possibly removing two of the listed parties. Your feedback would be much appreciated. Helper201 ( talk) 20:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Although it certainly is helpful to see what the results would be by re-calculating the numbers by excluding those who will abstain or haven't decided yet. I think it would be equally helpful to have a section where it is just the voting estimate and the percentage of people who plan to abstain or have not yet decided is shown. Politics in Greece are not that stable so I think that these categories should be included so that people can see the whole picture. There is no guarantee that the people that have not decided who they are going to vote for will go for in the end. By not including the information that shows that a substantial amount of people are undecided, it is quite possible that people will make false assumptions about the popularity of the parties. Lastly, I think is important to have a category for the "other" parties because it is an important factor that shows how pleased the people are with the parties in parliament and their percentage will determine how many seats each party will get after the elections are over. Please consider adding another section that includes those categories. C0rsp1m ( talk) 12:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd agree, since there already is one for the January 2015 election, if im not mistaken. Thepottato ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
I think that the formula that converts the results should be provided beforehand. So that it is clear for the reader to understand how the poll numbers were calculated (simple-rule-of-three), and why they do not match their corresponding referenced article. On the same grounds, I think it is far more useful and self-explanatory to have the original poll numbers in a table, as they provide an intuitive way to compare results, either between polls or elections. I think the calculated results are still useful, as a second table, having their formula explained. Even giving a single row example. NordMarios ( talk) 15:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Polls that show their results without disregarding those respondents who were undecided or said they would abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank) have been re-calculated by disregarding these numbers from the totals offered through a simple rule of three in order to obtain results comparable to other polls and the official election results.
"I see opinion polling pages on wiki as an archive, a place where every poll is saved in case original source is deleted, but also aggregator for polls"First error. Wikipedia is not a database, an archive or an indiscriminate collection of information. Information collected in Wikipedia articles must be noteworthy. You'll notice that for almost all countries with opinion polling entries in Wikipedia, not all parties get a mention; basically because there are not notable.
It seems like almost all of us agree that this article could be improved.
Almost all of us agree that an "others" category would be helpful. One person disagrees. The fact is that this a pretty common practice in many other polling articles on Wikipedia. To deny that is to deny reality. Here are some examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Finnish_parliamentary_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_Swedish_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Irish_general_election
The "others" category is very valuable in understanding the current political climate. For instance, in the 2012 elections we had over 15% of the vote going to smaller parties showing the disappointment of the general public with the traditional ruling parties. By arbitrarily deleting that information from the polls we're fabricating and inaccurate and biased image about the Greek political climate.
That can also be said about using how polls are generally presented on this article. It's true that a lot of the companies include an estimate of the vote as long as unweighted voting preferencs in the results of their surveys,but in this article only the former is allowed to be depicted.
That again has resulted in an inaccurate depiction of the political climate in Greece often showing a bias towards the governing party by showing them performing better than they are only based on estimates.
This issue has been brought up time and time again but nothing has been done about it. One person disagrees with making changes and is not really up for discussing making any as seen here. I was under the impression that Wikipedia works by reaching a consensus, not by following what one person thinks its right.
So I'm once again proposing to add an "others" category and also presenting the polls in two lists: one showing what the raw data of what the people responded and one where the estimate of the polling company is depicted. C0rsp1m ( talk) 19:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I think Free People and Creation, which includes New Right and Recreate Greece, should be listed in the opinion polling section, because they have been icluded in an opinion poll. Μοναχικός Λέων ( talk) 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Derzki has twice reverted my addition of party logos. My attempt to obtain an explanation for this has thus far gone unanswered. It should go without saying that we cannot have logos for some parties and not others, as this would violate WP:NPOV. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 13:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
This article should be deleted, IMHO. GoodDay ( talk) 19:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
What sort of reasoning would you use for your AfD? The article (like most opinion polling articles) seems to be sourced to reliable content and would pass GNG in that regard. Bkissin ( talk) 03:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I think this poll should be removed. The vote changes, especially for New Democracy and EgtP, are wildly different to current trends. Additionally, the poll was performed to a rather unconventional method, as the source explains. Anyone else in agreement? 81.110.178.252 ( talk) 19:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
This poll has receive very criticism and probably is biased 2A02:587:A609:100:39AB:680:19BC:4A4D ( talk) 20:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
That is certainly an interesting approach. So because it was broadcasted by a national TV channel that makes the information reliable. So if Alpha TV reported that according to a research, a flying monkey shooting laser beams out of its eyes is the frontrunner, that would automatically make it true. Obviously what matters is who is reporting it and not the actual research or the company that did it. All polling companies receive criticism but unlike most of the other companies, this one was nonexistent prior to this poll and its registered information was outdated. Those facts should have mattered more than that Alpha TV commissioned this unknown company to do a poll. Especially given the fact that as has been reported by many reputable sources, like RSF, media freedom in Greece has been declining and the media are heavily influenced by the government. C0rsp1m ( talk) 18:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I know this is supposedly explained on the main page, but I've been trying to do the math myself on some polls (the 2 most recent ones, being one by Pulse and the one by Real Polls) and the numbers I get aren't the same so evidently there's something I've misunderstood. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could explain the process to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
There are new researches that are not included, such as https://www.dimokratia.gr/politiki/544477/dimoskopisi-realpolls-katholiki-apodokimasia-tis-kyvernisis/. It seems that sometimes this research is included and others is not. Please enlighten us about the guidelines of the published researches. As we know the institution that is resposible for the eligibility of the researches is the ESR (National Council of Radiotelevision) and this research is in full compliance with this institution.
The researchers have collaborated with the institution in order to publish the research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.183.97 ( talk) 13:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of Realpolls/Dimokratia, I've noticed those polls have been consistently giving lower percentages to KINAL than pretty much all other polls we have on this page, any idea why that could be? (I can't notice any particular party benefiting from that though, which is also slightly odd) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Recently the article has been vandalized by people that remove the most recent polls.
There are two polls, one by ProRata and one by Data Consultants, both showing the difference between the two main parties decreasing. I'd understand it if the latter is not considered a proper source since it hasn't been included before. But ProRata is an established polling company and all of the other polls conducted by them are there!
So now the article has been locked and can't be edited. Not by correcting the bias though but by embracing it! You have prevented people from adding a valid poll that happens to show that the difference between ND and SYRIZA has decreased significantly.
For how long do you think you can keep up such ridiculous tactics that attack Wikipedia's credibility? There's a new poll out now further proving ND's decline. Will you censor every poll that is not favourable to the government from now on? C0rsp1m ( talk) 09:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Polls are once again being constantly vandalised. We have had trolls presenting months old polls as new, others completely making up numbers. This vandalism is getting out of hand, especially during August when we get no new polls and as such we have less activity. Could someone ask to protect this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
The newly formed Coalition between Recreate Greece, New right amd National Agreement is polling at around 1.5%-2% , hence it should be added to the polling graph and catalog. Alexispapp ( talk) 22:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The party used to exist by the Dimioyrgia name alone and now the National Agreement party was added to the coalition. Dimioyrgia was polling steadily at 1.5% in the past months and I really cannot see how it is not there when you have Plefsi Eleftherias and Antarsya. I don't know whether it's a form of bias against conservative parties or not but it's unacceptable for not including us Alexispapp ( talk) 12:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It not at all inaccurate and what you're doing is completely biased, almost all polls include Dimiourgia (the coalition between DIXA and New right) at a consistent 1.5% and at the same time the party is seeking the 3% threshold Alexispapp ( talk) 13:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528615837258719233?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528437802739896322?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ
Here you have the two most recent polls and it's obvious that what I am saying is 100% accurate, please add Ethniki Dimiourgia to the polls as soon as possible Alexispapp ( talk) 14:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
"Consistent" lol - two polls from the last couple of days because of hype?! Nah, that won't be possible under the current circumstances. NikolaosFanaris ( talk) 14:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The party will most likely get the 3% threshold in the 1st election. You once again prove your left wing bias through declining simple facts. I'll add it and i'll keep adding ED to the polls from different accounts even if you ban me until you realize that you eventually have to. Alexispapp ( talk) 15:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's now time to add the party, it has appeared in 4 consecutive polls, polling from 1.4%-1.7%. I also created a page on the party so everything is set, just add the party. Alexispapp ( talk) 21:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone - I am starting to think that the majority of numbers are made up in the latest polls. Can someone verify that the last two polls (MARC and Pulse) are correct? None of the two attached sources show those numbers in any of the poll results. NikolaosFanaris ( talk) 12:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
The table below lists nationwide voting intention estimates. Refusals are generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not intending to vote may vary between polling organisations. Polls that show their results without disregarding those respondents who were undecided or said they would abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank) have been re-calculated by disregarding these numbers from the totals offered through a simple rule of three in order to obtain results comparable to other polls and the official election results (...).
Golden Dawn is consistently not appearing in polling anymore. Its polling numbers, when they appear, are very low, at the same level as parties that are not included on the table for that very reason. It is also highly unlikely that this party gets any seats in the next election; hence, there is no reason for it to be included anymore. (Arguably it makes more sense to include National Creation instead, but that's a different matter.) Am34114 ( talk) 13:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I observed this following the 3 Pulse RC polls published after ΔΕΘ was concluded.
We've always recalculated percentages to exclude non-voters/blank votes/undecided/etc. Sometimes, however, articles also publish recalculated results themselves, typically only excluding blank votes (in other words, leaving the undecided votes untouched). This makes us have to do a 2nd recalculation (the 1st was done in the original article) which can sometimes distort percentages.
Take the Pulse RC poll conducted on 12-15 September for example (between Mr Mitsotakis and Mr Tsipras speeches). Doing only a single, full, recalculation based on the live TV footage, MeRA25 gets 3.0% of the vote. Basing the numbers on the linked article, however (with a 2nd recalculation), it's 2.5%. That difference is huge because in the latter case it means the party would stay out of parliament.
I propose we do not count sources that use recalculated results and only link the original data, but I don't know how realistic that is. Anyone have any ideas? Oh Tassos ( talk) 13:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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There are two surveys that are not included: https://www.in.gr/2022/11/12/politics/kommata/dimoskopisi-gpo-meta-tis-ypoklopes-anatropi-sti-diafora-nd-syriza/ https://realpolls.gr/surveys/realpolls-panelladike-ereuna-gnomes-04-11-2022-07-11-2022 https://1voice.gr/dei-to-62-5-ton-ellinon-thelei-na-epistrepsei-sto-dimosio/ 46.190.26.254 ( talk) 08:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Oh Tassos, Thepottato, Impru 20, Αθλητικά, Sirdog Copy and paste the URL below which includes the corrected poll and 2 new ones.-- 79.107.220.117 ( talk) 11:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
|- | Interview/Politic [1] [2] | 10–12 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"|| 35.7 | 28.0 | 11.3 | 6.7 | 5.3 | 3.8 | – | 1.7 | 1.4 | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 7.7 |- | Alco/Alpha TV [3] | 14–19 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"| 35.3 | 26.8 | 13.3 | 6.1 | 5.7 | 3.2 | – | 2.5 | – | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 8.5 |- | GPO/Parapolitika [4] | 10–12 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"| 38.1 | 31.1 | 12.7 | 7.1 | 4.3 | 2.8 | – | 2.1 | 1.8 | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 7.0
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ND 31,6 -> 36,6 SYRIZA 25,8 -> 29,9 PASOK 10,5 -> 12,2 KKE 5,9 -> 6,8 EL.L. 3,6 -> 4,2 MERA25 2,3 -> 2,7 E.P. 1,7 -> 2,0 E.D. 1,5 -> 1,7 Other parties 3,4
Someone mistook the numbers because he did not take into consideration other parties which are mentioned at the poll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:7E38:C300:754E:F2A:30BA:18A5 ( talk) 15:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
HI, the last PRORATA's poll is not included in the list: https://www.efsyn.gr/politiki/kybernisi/368553_ligo-prin-apo-tin-eytheia-gia-tis-ethnikes-kalpes
Please add the latest poll (citation above) of this company that was published for Efimerida twn Syntaktvn newspaper. ProRata/Efimerida ton Sintakton 19-22 Sep 2022 1,905 participants ND 35.5 SYRIZA-PS 30.0 PASOK-KINAL 12.5 KKE 5.5 ELLINIKI LYSI 4.5 MeRA25 3.0 EP 2 (OTHER PARTY) 7 LEAD ND-SYRIZA 5.5 Hamnsick ( talk) 10:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
This party hasn't suspended from the elections and has more than 3% in most of the polls. 62.1.222.220 ( talk) 12:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that there's another poll from Realpolls. Astronaftis ( talk) 12:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello!
Having been contacted recently by RealPolls on Viber to participate on a new poll-a polling company said to be affiliated with members of SYRIZA as covered on newspapers such as Parapolitika and Ethnos and whose credibility I had expressed concerns about two weeks before that-the topic of how reliable each polling company is has been on my mind again. So I spent a night analysing in an excel sheet on my computer how the reported numbers from each company compare to the mean (average) from that time period. The order chosen to comment on each company is alphabetical.
Period covered: All of 2023 so far (from Alco 9-11 Jan 2023 to ProRata 27-30 Apr 2023)
Number of polls: 38 (details on each company below)
Mean taken from: 2 weeks before and after the semisum of the start and end dates of each poll
Alco (3 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. All of them fall <1pp of the mean for their respective time period which is very well within statistical error. In fact, only 1 party in each poll is >0.9pp of the mean. So again, nothing noteworthy.
GPO (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Unlike Alco, the larger parties are consistently 1-2pp above the mean, though that applies to all of them so I don't think we can deduce much of anything from that. Nothing noteworthy overall
Interview (5 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Similar case to the previous two. A few instances of the numbers deviating 1-2pp from the mean, otherwise all <1pp. All in all nothing noteworthy. Interview is also the company with the most polls published in 2023 so far.
Marc (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. The case is identical to Interview's, a few deviations in the range of 1-2pp, otherwise all <1pp. Nothing noteworthy.
Metron Analysis (4 polls): this is where some potential issues start to appear. Out of the 4 polls conducted, SYRIZA is ~2.4pp below average on one of them, and ~3.6pp on another, in the latter the difference between ND and SYRIZA is also ~3.1pp larger than average. These numbers could be within the statistical error, but there could also be semi-consistent deviations at the expense of a particular party. Metron Analysis has also had this tendency in past polls outside of 2023.
MRB (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Same case as Interview and Marc, I don't think I need to comment on much else: nothing noteworthy.
Opinion Poll (3 polls): in the poll in January Nea Dimokratia is given ~2.3pp more than the average for that period. Looking back at past polls too, it appears that they consistently give the party a higher percentage than other companies, though in the cases I checked its technically within what you'd call a statistical error.
Palmos Analysis (1 poll): this one is weird. Both Nea Dimokratia and SYRIZA are below average by ~3.2pp and ~3.1pp respectively. Overall since 2019 this company has conducted 3 polls, and while I didn't check the numbers in detail it appears like this pattern might apply to those as well, or maybe on the other two its just Nea Dimokratia's numbers that are lower. Further investigation is probably needed to comprehend what's up, but it appears to be at the expense of the top 2 parties and the rest have virtually no deviation from average so I really do not know how to judge this one.
ProRata (4 polls): there is an instance of SYRIZA being above the mean by ~2.4pp lowering the difference with Nea Dimokratia by ~2.5pp compared to other polls. In some polls before 2023 this pattern appears to exist too, which should not be a surprise considering most are conducted for Efsyn. Other than that though, the rest of the numbers seem to be fine.
Pulse RC (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. In the category of Interview, Marc, and MRB.
Rass (2 polls): consistently higher numbers for PASOK, ~2.5pp in the most recent poll and ~4pp in January. Outside 2023 this pattern continues. In the most recent poll SYRIZA is also ~2.1pp lower than the mean, which may or may not carry any meaning. Keep in mind these polls are also conducted for a smaller news network, Action24, if that means anything.
Conclusion: in no case can we speak of forged numbers or anything like that since the sample size is small and in most cases the deviations from average are not that significant. In addition, there's the risk the average itself is biased in some way, we have no way to account for that as far as I'm aware. Assuming the above analysis is correct though: Rass might be giving higher numbers to PASOK, Metron Analysis lower to SYRIZA, Opinion Poll higher to Nea Dimokratia, ProRata higher to SYRIZA, GPO higher to both Nea Dimokratia and SYRIZA, and Palmos Analysis is doing... whatever, I'm not certain. Interview, Marc, MRB, Pulse RC, and especially Alco seem to be completely in line with the average of all polls (though they do account for ~53% of all polls, so again the average might be biased).
Thank you for your time! Oh Tassos ( talk) 00:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Sone days ago a new poll was released by GPO on the newspaper Ta Nea. https://www.protagon.gr/epikairotita/dimoskopisi-gpo-sto-65-to-provadisma-tis-nd-pws-allakse-o-xartis-tis-voulis-44342718132
Unlike the other polls, there is no source about the data, i.e. the number of participants and the time range. Can someone find that information? 2A02:1388:14E:BD0B:6C8D:3654:4236:D948 ( talk) 09:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
After the ban of National Party - Greeks new parties emerged in polls. Like Course of Freedom (PE), EAN and Victory (Niki). What about adding them? 2A02:1388:14A:ED14:CB2C:6210:B50B:AE93 ( talk) 12:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Euractiv's mention of a secret poll conducted on behalf of an undisclosed multinational by an undisclosed polling agency has no place in the page. 2A02:2149:8B0A:6200:15FD:52CB:BA43:D1FA ( talk) 19:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Euractiv is neither a polling firm nor a commissioner of a poll so in order for the article to have some sempblence of integrity and since-for some uknown reason-it is still on the list, it should have a warning label. 2A02:2149:8B0A:6200:897F:4FC5:924C:7E3 ( talk) 14:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Course of Freedom, Ean and Niki have appeared in the latest polls after the ban on National Party – Greeks. Their percentages are around 1,5%, but I think they could be added on the list as the sum of these figures show consistency with the banned party's. Please tell me what you think. Argybz ( Argybz) 16:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The list of parties polled is very large. I think some are unnecessary. Neither the Union of Centrists (listed as EK in the table), nor Recreate Greece (listed as DIXA in the table) have any members of Parliament and both haven't been included in any opinion polls for almost a year. I think if more than a year elapses and a party hasn't been included in any polls since and has no members of Parliament its reasonable that we remove them from the table. So, in summary if neither of these two parties are included in any polls by 20 November, I advocated we remove these two parties. Please leave your thoughts below. Helper201 ( talk) 18:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see my post above about possibly removing two of the listed parties. Your feedback would be much appreciated. Helper201 ( talk) 20:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Although it certainly is helpful to see what the results would be by re-calculating the numbers by excluding those who will abstain or haven't decided yet. I think it would be equally helpful to have a section where it is just the voting estimate and the percentage of people who plan to abstain or have not yet decided is shown. Politics in Greece are not that stable so I think that these categories should be included so that people can see the whole picture. There is no guarantee that the people that have not decided who they are going to vote for will go for in the end. By not including the information that shows that a substantial amount of people are undecided, it is quite possible that people will make false assumptions about the popularity of the parties. Lastly, I think is important to have a category for the "other" parties because it is an important factor that shows how pleased the people are with the parties in parliament and their percentage will determine how many seats each party will get after the elections are over. Please consider adding another section that includes those categories. C0rsp1m ( talk) 12:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd agree, since there already is one for the January 2015 election, if im not mistaken. Thepottato ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
I think that the formula that converts the results should be provided beforehand. So that it is clear for the reader to understand how the poll numbers were calculated (simple-rule-of-three), and why they do not match their corresponding referenced article. On the same grounds, I think it is far more useful and self-explanatory to have the original poll numbers in a table, as they provide an intuitive way to compare results, either between polls or elections. I think the calculated results are still useful, as a second table, having their formula explained. Even giving a single row example. NordMarios ( talk) 15:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Polls that show their results without disregarding those respondents who were undecided or said they would abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank) have been re-calculated by disregarding these numbers from the totals offered through a simple rule of three in order to obtain results comparable to other polls and the official election results.
"I see opinion polling pages on wiki as an archive, a place where every poll is saved in case original source is deleted, but also aggregator for polls"First error. Wikipedia is not a database, an archive or an indiscriminate collection of information. Information collected in Wikipedia articles must be noteworthy. You'll notice that for almost all countries with opinion polling entries in Wikipedia, not all parties get a mention; basically because there are not notable.
It seems like almost all of us agree that this article could be improved.
Almost all of us agree that an "others" category would be helpful. One person disagrees. The fact is that this a pretty common practice in many other polling articles on Wikipedia. To deny that is to deny reality. Here are some examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Finnish_parliamentary_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_Swedish_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Irish_general_election
The "others" category is very valuable in understanding the current political climate. For instance, in the 2012 elections we had over 15% of the vote going to smaller parties showing the disappointment of the general public with the traditional ruling parties. By arbitrarily deleting that information from the polls we're fabricating and inaccurate and biased image about the Greek political climate.
That can also be said about using how polls are generally presented on this article. It's true that a lot of the companies include an estimate of the vote as long as unweighted voting preferencs in the results of their surveys,but in this article only the former is allowed to be depicted.
That again has resulted in an inaccurate depiction of the political climate in Greece often showing a bias towards the governing party by showing them performing better than they are only based on estimates.
This issue has been brought up time and time again but nothing has been done about it. One person disagrees with making changes and is not really up for discussing making any as seen here. I was under the impression that Wikipedia works by reaching a consensus, not by following what one person thinks its right.
So I'm once again proposing to add an "others" category and also presenting the polls in two lists: one showing what the raw data of what the people responded and one where the estimate of the polling company is depicted. C0rsp1m ( talk) 19:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I think Free People and Creation, which includes New Right and Recreate Greece, should be listed in the opinion polling section, because they have been icluded in an opinion poll. Μοναχικός Λέων ( talk) 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Derzki has twice reverted my addition of party logos. My attempt to obtain an explanation for this has thus far gone unanswered. It should go without saying that we cannot have logos for some parties and not others, as this would violate WP:NPOV. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 13:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
This article should be deleted, IMHO. GoodDay ( talk) 19:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
What sort of reasoning would you use for your AfD? The article (like most opinion polling articles) seems to be sourced to reliable content and would pass GNG in that regard. Bkissin ( talk) 03:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I think this poll should be removed. The vote changes, especially for New Democracy and EgtP, are wildly different to current trends. Additionally, the poll was performed to a rather unconventional method, as the source explains. Anyone else in agreement? 81.110.178.252 ( talk) 19:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
This poll has receive very criticism and probably is biased 2A02:587:A609:100:39AB:680:19BC:4A4D ( talk) 20:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
That is certainly an interesting approach. So because it was broadcasted by a national TV channel that makes the information reliable. So if Alpha TV reported that according to a research, a flying monkey shooting laser beams out of its eyes is the frontrunner, that would automatically make it true. Obviously what matters is who is reporting it and not the actual research or the company that did it. All polling companies receive criticism but unlike most of the other companies, this one was nonexistent prior to this poll and its registered information was outdated. Those facts should have mattered more than that Alpha TV commissioned this unknown company to do a poll. Especially given the fact that as has been reported by many reputable sources, like RSF, media freedom in Greece has been declining and the media are heavily influenced by the government. C0rsp1m ( talk) 18:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I know this is supposedly explained on the main page, but I've been trying to do the math myself on some polls (the 2 most recent ones, being one by Pulse and the one by Real Polls) and the numbers I get aren't the same so evidently there's something I've misunderstood. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could explain the process to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
There are new researches that are not included, such as https://www.dimokratia.gr/politiki/544477/dimoskopisi-realpolls-katholiki-apodokimasia-tis-kyvernisis/. It seems that sometimes this research is included and others is not. Please enlighten us about the guidelines of the published researches. As we know the institution that is resposible for the eligibility of the researches is the ESR (National Council of Radiotelevision) and this research is in full compliance with this institution.
The researchers have collaborated with the institution in order to publish the research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.183.97 ( talk) 13:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of Realpolls/Dimokratia, I've noticed those polls have been consistently giving lower percentages to KINAL than pretty much all other polls we have on this page, any idea why that could be? (I can't notice any particular party benefiting from that though, which is also slightly odd) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Recently the article has been vandalized by people that remove the most recent polls.
There are two polls, one by ProRata and one by Data Consultants, both showing the difference between the two main parties decreasing. I'd understand it if the latter is not considered a proper source since it hasn't been included before. But ProRata is an established polling company and all of the other polls conducted by them are there!
So now the article has been locked and can't be edited. Not by correcting the bias though but by embracing it! You have prevented people from adding a valid poll that happens to show that the difference between ND and SYRIZA has decreased significantly.
For how long do you think you can keep up such ridiculous tactics that attack Wikipedia's credibility? There's a new poll out now further proving ND's decline. Will you censor every poll that is not favourable to the government from now on? C0rsp1m ( talk) 09:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Polls are once again being constantly vandalised. We have had trolls presenting months old polls as new, others completely making up numbers. This vandalism is getting out of hand, especially during August when we get no new polls and as such we have less activity. Could someone ask to protect this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
The newly formed Coalition between Recreate Greece, New right amd National Agreement is polling at around 1.5%-2% , hence it should be added to the polling graph and catalog. Alexispapp ( talk) 22:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The party used to exist by the Dimioyrgia name alone and now the National Agreement party was added to the coalition. Dimioyrgia was polling steadily at 1.5% in the past months and I really cannot see how it is not there when you have Plefsi Eleftherias and Antarsya. I don't know whether it's a form of bias against conservative parties or not but it's unacceptable for not including us Alexispapp ( talk) 12:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It not at all inaccurate and what you're doing is completely biased, almost all polls include Dimiourgia (the coalition between DIXA and New right) at a consistent 1.5% and at the same time the party is seeking the 3% threshold Alexispapp ( talk) 13:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528615837258719233?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528437802739896322?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ
Here you have the two most recent polls and it's obvious that what I am saying is 100% accurate, please add Ethniki Dimiourgia to the polls as soon as possible Alexispapp ( talk) 14:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
"Consistent" lol - two polls from the last couple of days because of hype?! Nah, that won't be possible under the current circumstances. NikolaosFanaris ( talk) 14:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The party will most likely get the 3% threshold in the 1st election. You once again prove your left wing bias through declining simple facts. I'll add it and i'll keep adding ED to the polls from different accounts even if you ban me until you realize that you eventually have to. Alexispapp ( talk) 15:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's now time to add the party, it has appeared in 4 consecutive polls, polling from 1.4%-1.7%. I also created a page on the party so everything is set, just add the party. Alexispapp ( talk) 21:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone - I am starting to think that the majority of numbers are made up in the latest polls. Can someone verify that the last two polls (MARC and Pulse) are correct? None of the two attached sources show those numbers in any of the poll results. NikolaosFanaris ( talk) 12:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
The table below lists nationwide voting intention estimates. Refusals are generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not intending to vote may vary between polling organisations. Polls that show their results without disregarding those respondents who were undecided or said they would abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank) have been re-calculated by disregarding these numbers from the totals offered through a simple rule of three in order to obtain results comparable to other polls and the official election results (...).
Golden Dawn is consistently not appearing in polling anymore. Its polling numbers, when they appear, are very low, at the same level as parties that are not included on the table for that very reason. It is also highly unlikely that this party gets any seats in the next election; hence, there is no reason for it to be included anymore. (Arguably it makes more sense to include National Creation instead, but that's a different matter.) Am34114 ( talk) 13:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I observed this following the 3 Pulse RC polls published after ΔΕΘ was concluded.
We've always recalculated percentages to exclude non-voters/blank votes/undecided/etc. Sometimes, however, articles also publish recalculated results themselves, typically only excluding blank votes (in other words, leaving the undecided votes untouched). This makes us have to do a 2nd recalculation (the 1st was done in the original article) which can sometimes distort percentages.
Take the Pulse RC poll conducted on 12-15 September for example (between Mr Mitsotakis and Mr Tsipras speeches). Doing only a single, full, recalculation based on the live TV footage, MeRA25 gets 3.0% of the vote. Basing the numbers on the linked article, however (with a 2nd recalculation), it's 2.5%. That difference is huge because in the latter case it means the party would stay out of parliament.
I propose we do not count sources that use recalculated results and only link the original data, but I don't know how realistic that is. Anyone have any ideas? Oh Tassos ( talk) 13:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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There are two surveys that are not included: https://www.in.gr/2022/11/12/politics/kommata/dimoskopisi-gpo-meta-tis-ypoklopes-anatropi-sti-diafora-nd-syriza/ https://realpolls.gr/surveys/realpolls-panelladike-ereuna-gnomes-04-11-2022-07-11-2022 https://1voice.gr/dei-to-62-5-ton-ellinon-thelei-na-epistrepsei-sto-dimosio/ 46.190.26.254 ( talk) 08:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Oh Tassos, Thepottato, Impru 20, Αθλητικά, Sirdog Copy and paste the URL below which includes the corrected poll and 2 new ones.-- 79.107.220.117 ( talk) 11:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
|- | Interview/Politic [1] [2] | 10–12 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"|| 35.7 | 28.0 | 11.3 | 6.7 | 5.3 | 3.8 | – | 1.7 | 1.4 | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 7.7 |- | Alco/Alpha TV [3] | 14–19 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"| 35.3 | 26.8 | 13.3 | 6.1 | 5.7 | 3.2 | – | 2.5 | – | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 8.5 |- | GPO/Parapolitika [4] | 10–12 Nov 2022 | 1,000 | style="background:#BFD5F7"| 38.1 | 31.1 | 12.7 | 7.1 | 4.3 | 2.8 | – | 2.1 | 1.8 | style="background:#1b5cc7; color:white;" | 7.0
References
ND 31,6 -> 36,6 SYRIZA 25,8 -> 29,9 PASOK 10,5 -> 12,2 KKE 5,9 -> 6,8 EL.L. 3,6 -> 4,2 MERA25 2,3 -> 2,7 E.P. 1,7 -> 2,0 E.D. 1,5 -> 1,7 Other parties 3,4
Someone mistook the numbers because he did not take into consideration other parties which are mentioned at the poll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:7E38:C300:754E:F2A:30BA:18A5 ( talk) 15:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
HI, the last PRORATA's poll is not included in the list: https://www.efsyn.gr/politiki/kybernisi/368553_ligo-prin-apo-tin-eytheia-gia-tis-ethnikes-kalpes
Please add the latest poll (citation above) of this company that was published for Efimerida twn Syntaktvn newspaper. ProRata/Efimerida ton Sintakton 19-22 Sep 2022 1,905 participants ND 35.5 SYRIZA-PS 30.0 PASOK-KINAL 12.5 KKE 5.5 ELLINIKI LYSI 4.5 MeRA25 3.0 EP 2 (OTHER PARTY) 7 LEAD ND-SYRIZA 5.5 Hamnsick ( talk) 10:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
This party hasn't suspended from the elections and has more than 3% in most of the polls. 62.1.222.220 ( talk) 12:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that there's another poll from Realpolls. Astronaftis ( talk) 12:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello!
Having been contacted recently by RealPolls on Viber to participate on a new poll-a polling company said to be affiliated with members of SYRIZA as covered on newspapers such as Parapolitika and Ethnos and whose credibility I had expressed concerns about two weeks before that-the topic of how reliable each polling company is has been on my mind again. So I spent a night analysing in an excel sheet on my computer how the reported numbers from each company compare to the mean (average) from that time period. The order chosen to comment on each company is alphabetical.
Period covered: All of 2023 so far (from Alco 9-11 Jan 2023 to ProRata 27-30 Apr 2023)
Number of polls: 38 (details on each company below)
Mean taken from: 2 weeks before and after the semisum of the start and end dates of each poll
Alco (3 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. All of them fall <1pp of the mean for their respective time period which is very well within statistical error. In fact, only 1 party in each poll is >0.9pp of the mean. So again, nothing noteworthy.
GPO (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Unlike Alco, the larger parties are consistently 1-2pp above the mean, though that applies to all of them so I don't think we can deduce much of anything from that. Nothing noteworthy overall
Interview (5 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Similar case to the previous two. A few instances of the numbers deviating 1-2pp from the mean, otherwise all <1pp. All in all nothing noteworthy. Interview is also the company with the most polls published in 2023 so far.
Marc (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. The case is identical to Interview's, a few deviations in the range of 1-2pp, otherwise all <1pp. Nothing noteworthy.
Metron Analysis (4 polls): this is where some potential issues start to appear. Out of the 4 polls conducted, SYRIZA is ~2.4pp below average on one of them, and ~3.6pp on another, in the latter the difference between ND and SYRIZA is also ~3.1pp larger than average. These numbers could be within the statistical error, but there could also be semi-consistent deviations at the expense of a particular party. Metron Analysis has also had this tendency in past polls outside of 2023.
MRB (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. Same case as Interview and Marc, I don't think I need to comment on much else: nothing noteworthy.
Opinion Poll (3 polls): in the poll in January Nea Dimokratia is given ~2.3pp more than the average for that period. Looking back at past polls too, it appears that they consistently give the party a higher percentage than other companies, though in the cases I checked its technically within what you'd call a statistical error.
Palmos Analysis (1 poll): this one is weird. Both Nea Dimokratia and SYRIZA are below average by ~3.2pp and ~3.1pp respectively. Overall since 2019 this company has conducted 3 polls, and while I didn't check the numbers in detail it appears like this pattern might apply to those as well, or maybe on the other two its just Nea Dimokratia's numbers that are lower. Further investigation is probably needed to comprehend what's up, but it appears to be at the expense of the top 2 parties and the rest have virtually no deviation from average so I really do not know how to judge this one.
ProRata (4 polls): there is an instance of SYRIZA being above the mean by ~2.4pp lowering the difference with Nea Dimokratia by ~2.5pp compared to other polls. In some polls before 2023 this pattern appears to exist too, which should not be a surprise considering most are conducted for Efsyn. Other than that though, the rest of the numbers seem to be fine.
Pulse RC (4 polls): nothing noteworthy from the polls conducted in 2023. In the category of Interview, Marc, and MRB.
Rass (2 polls): consistently higher numbers for PASOK, ~2.5pp in the most recent poll and ~4pp in January. Outside 2023 this pattern continues. In the most recent poll SYRIZA is also ~2.1pp lower than the mean, which may or may not carry any meaning. Keep in mind these polls are also conducted for a smaller news network, Action24, if that means anything.
Conclusion: in no case can we speak of forged numbers or anything like that since the sample size is small and in most cases the deviations from average are not that significant. In addition, there's the risk the average itself is biased in some way, we have no way to account for that as far as I'm aware. Assuming the above analysis is correct though: Rass might be giving higher numbers to PASOK, Metron Analysis lower to SYRIZA, Opinion Poll higher to Nea Dimokratia, ProRata higher to SYRIZA, GPO higher to both Nea Dimokratia and SYRIZA, and Palmos Analysis is doing... whatever, I'm not certain. Interview, Marc, MRB, Pulse RC, and especially Alco seem to be completely in line with the average of all polls (though they do account for ~53% of all polls, so again the average might be biased).
Thank you for your time! Oh Tassos ( talk) 00:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Sone days ago a new poll was released by GPO on the newspaper Ta Nea. https://www.protagon.gr/epikairotita/dimoskopisi-gpo-sto-65-to-provadisma-tis-nd-pws-allakse-o-xartis-tis-voulis-44342718132
Unlike the other polls, there is no source about the data, i.e. the number of participants and the time range. Can someone find that information? 2A02:1388:14E:BD0B:6C8D:3654:4236:D948 ( talk) 09:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
After the ban of National Party - Greeks new parties emerged in polls. Like Course of Freedom (PE), EAN and Victory (Niki). What about adding them? 2A02:1388:14A:ED14:CB2C:6210:B50B:AE93 ( talk) 12:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Euractiv's mention of a secret poll conducted on behalf of an undisclosed multinational by an undisclosed polling agency has no place in the page. 2A02:2149:8B0A:6200:15FD:52CB:BA43:D1FA ( talk) 19:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Euractiv is neither a polling firm nor a commissioner of a poll so in order for the article to have some sempblence of integrity and since-for some uknown reason-it is still on the list, it should have a warning label. 2A02:2149:8B0A:6200:897F:4FC5:924C:7E3 ( talk) 14:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)